See, this is why engagement and MAU are more important and more accurate than sales numbers will ever be. We don't need sales numbers anymore the concept is totally outdated. This isn't 1999 anymore, those pesky millennials are becoming adults *shudders*.
We are not on 4chan. If you have something to say, then say it. Tell me what you really think instead of being sarcastic.
CBOAT turned out to be an account shared by multiple insiders afaik. Shit was wild lol.
I mean there was some shit going on back then, but to just discredit him like that is uncalled for, imo.
Hes also a game designer or works in games at least, I remember him talking about working on the turok reboot
Do you really think Sony's engagement numbers, if reported, wouldn't be higher than Microsoft's?
And you know this how? Because they are not doing a bunch of PR?
Yeah. But it's not 30m ppl on xbox using their software. So they're doing some extrapolating. So number is likely not very accurate
To add to my previous post, does noone look at his post history and think how insane this actually is in reality, given how powerful and influential GAF was at the time?
Um. 4 million consoles is 4 million added to install base. Nobody takes into account overlap.
EA's numbers are fake as hell, that's his point of view.
You can leave, but allow me to summarize the extent of what you have said so far:
Well we already know their engagement percentages are higher than anyone else's.
I've made my points fairly clearly through the thread, and to you as well. I think EA's numbers are bunk. I am proceeding to establish why.
Well yeah, it was kinda insane haha. But that was what made it great. Always enjoyed all the crazy stuff going on back then.
Nice one.
Didn't he show us the halo GUARDIANS using the guardians of the galaxy ?
The irony is the fact that the type of behaviour on display towards him by some people at the moment is precisely the type of shit that would have got them on his radar on the old place. Time is a flat circle as they say.
Here is the thing. EA's numbers aren't bunk. They're just clearly using a different measure.
It is only bunk if you think Hardware sale is the same thing as Install Base. If I personally buy one hundred XB1x, NPD would say the sales increased by 100 while EA would say the install base increase by 1.
It's funny because in the other thread people were so convinced Microsoft would at least be telling their shareholders and publishers but that doesn't appear to be the case.
But EA specifically references PS4 and XBO this estimate doesn't include NSW why would that tweet matter.
How do we know this for sure? The last few guesses at Xbox sales have been estimates, they can be off by a few million, and each time you add estimates upon estimates your margin of error can get pretty big. I would think EA has accurate ways to depict this sort of thing. One of your caveats could still be true but I think we are getting a little carried away with what we know about Xbox sales. I'm assuming you are an analyst of some kind for people to take your word as gospel, so forgive me for asking but do you have access to real numbers from MS?
Bunk was probably me being hyperbolic in the heat of the moment. I think more that they're not as representative of the full picture as some like to believe they are.
Sure, but then they should not be compared 1:1 to hardware sales. Which is the entire basis for this thread.
This tweet is about EA's separate estimate for the Switch. It's in the article in the OP.
This argument makes no sense. Sony threw big money at 1P long before PS4 hit 30 million. If anything them throwing that sort of money at 1P is WHY they are selling more. MS was just too focused on other things.
I know this thanks to NPD sell through numbers. The NPD Group tracks console hardware sales in the US. You can look up the monthly threads on era to find the numbers.
Pretty much, yeah. Some things always stay the same.
I guess. But it seems Zhuge already said they might just use a different measure.
Pretty damn sure it is.
Sorry missed that since it is such a small part of the article. 30m shipped by Dec 2018 doesn't seem so crazy if they are excluding a territory which seems to coincide with the PS4/XBO numbers being lower. Also again Zhuge has already said EA is not using bunk numbers they are making estimates that align with their own business interests.
Sony is clearly open to taking more risk while Microsoft is not. MS play it safe by the books running the same franchises dry.
If we are excluding Japan, then yes, all these numbers make sense. That would mean the Switch's numbers aren't as low as they seem, and the 103 million numbers comes down to:
Look, it is true we can't simply deduct PS4 hardware sold from EA's total install base. Because nearly by its very nature, the PS4 install base would be smaller than total PS4 consoles sold. So it is likely the Xbox install base number would be under-estimated if done that way. But that doesn't mean the numbers are bunk.
