Not all fucking opinions are equal. Some are factually stupid and bigoted.
How is this still something anyone can say with a straight face?
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EA on the backlash against women in Battlefield V: ‘Accept it or don’t buy the game’
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Not all fucking opinions are equal. Some are factually stupid and bigoted.
How is this still something anyone can say with a straight face?
They had their opportunity to click the article in the OP and read the multiple explanations about how it is not a tremendous affront to WW2 or games about WW2 to be more inclusive at every level.
Instead they chose to clamp their eyes and ears shut and begin hammering their chests with common bigoted, misogynist talking points and it's nobody's job to spoon feed them information that was freely available from the first post in the thread. The idea here is to promote informed discussion, but if you fail the 'informed' part of it I feel no sympathy.
No, dude. Regardless of your stance on this game or historical fiction in general, Kids need to learn their history from books, not goddamn FPS video games.
This makes two incorrect assumptions, the first that all opinions have some worth and the second that engaging people on their regressive opinions will change them.
There have been so many threads about this and people still willing to fall on that "it's actually about ethics in customization options" sword. It's about 3 years too late for anyone to fall for that nonsense anymore.
The important thing that's getting ignored is that there was no collective attack on things like Dunkirk and COD:WW2 for taking male focused points of view of the war. Sure some people were upset but there was no campaign or agenda agaisnt them and their attempt at a more accurate rendition (their innacuracies obviously aside)
This isn't so much an attempt by Dice to rewrite history as a game simply doing its own thing in the first place. So there's no problem with the women aspect of the game as a whole.
This isn't so much an attempt by Dice to rewrite history as a game simply doing its own thing in the first place. So there's no problem with the women aspect of the game as a whole.
Clearly they want to believe that they are right on this issue because it's part of their world view. Like most people they are approaching this issue with a prejudicial bias.
But having a "you must think a certain way immediately or you will be removed from this community" policy is the greatest gift to the far right you could ever give, it will do absolutely nothing to change the views of that person and will probably just make their views even more extreme. You might not care about that and have no sympathy etc but if you're genuinely concerned with tackling this problem then you need to realise this approach is simply a strategic failure for "our side".
Informing and discussing how that information should be interpreted is the absolute foundation of progressivism.
RE5 is racist as fuck especially near middle where all the enemies become tribes people.
It's one of the saddest arguments I've seen on any subject. No video game can ever be "historically accurate" to any war, because the horrors of war are not in any way shape or form entertaining. Are we to include concentration camps, the mass rapes of German women and children at the hands of the advancing Russian army, the bombing of German civilian towns with zero strategic military purpose by the U.S. Airforce? What about how soldiers used to see how many rifle butts it would take to cave in a human head? That's the kinda accuracy we need in our outrageously fun online shooter.
I don't usually get "triggered" by much of anything, but for some reason, this stance against women and POC really gets to me. Maybe it's because they're thinly hiding it behind "accuracy" and "they owe it to children to learn history".
Thinking that EA are shoving inclusion down people's throats is pretty, pretty telling. Meeting in the middle is not going to change their minds here.
It's been proven time and time again that sitting down and attempting to talk rationality to people with absolutely twisted ideologies is also not a sound way to stop radicalisation. When threatened, people will revert to whatever supports their narrative, logical or no. So if you wanna sit here and talk tactic of effective means to stopping radicalised hurtful beliefs, talking honkey-doo about offering an olive branch to bigots has proven in practice to being about as effective as leaving them be or 'censoring' them. I don't have the universal answer to how to stop the further radicalisation of bigots, sadly no one does, but I do fucking know criticising it when I see it isn't doing any harm, and no way in hell is it my responsibility to re-educate people of such beliefs.
Oh for real? I don't remember most of the game because it put me to sleep, but dang that does hit a pretty shitty chord
Fuck this kids glove bullshit. This industry has enough problems with harassment and marginalization of women, of poc, and those with queer identity that this "Well if you just calmly explain to them they're being sexist, they will appreciate and come to understand..." shit is real tired.
Nah. Nah, they really fucking don't. I've lent enough patience to shitheels in my life. I'm sure many others here have endured far worse. Motherfuckers have made up their mind.
The people trying to die on this shitty hill don't deserve to have their views validated. Excise that shit and move on. They want to be included and respected? They can grow the fuck up. God knows they've had enough chances to do so.
Jesus
This wins the award for dumbest post I've read on an online forum.
Praying this is just a troll
I'm buying a copy of this game, and ONLY playing as a female. Good on EAand good on DICE. Fuck the haters!
I think you could make a real argument that heavily gamified versions of real life, modern conflicts in which millions of people were killed are inappropriate.
The fact that nobody cared until it meant having a female protagonist in a AAA videogame demonstrates pretty conclusively that these complaints are all in extremely bad faith.
The fact that nobody cared until it meant having a female protagonist in a AAA videogame demonstrates pretty conclusively that these complaints are all in extremely bad faith.
Again, the OP of this thread was that attempt to inform them and they ignored it. The temporary removal of folks who don't read OPs isn't as nefarious as you describe it.
yeah, remember when we all thought that hitler actually went down gun's a blazing in his giant machine gunning mecha, i can't believe—
...wait.
Their feeling that inclusiveness is being shoved down their throat is bigger than this single issue, that speaks to the major divisions we have opening up in society now. Dangerous divisions that may have extremely negative consequences for society.
Like I said, hard banning people for not already having an approved view point is absolutely guaranteed not to change their view, to strengthen it, and on a wider scale this approach is only accelerating the divide in society.
Again, you might reply to me now that you don't care, that it's their fault, that they should know better etc. that's fine but if you genuinely do want that divide in society to be repaired then the only way to do it is through outreach, debate, understanding etc. As much as I disagree with them I don't believe their are genetic subhumans that are literally incapable of changing their world view so I have no choice but to engage with them on whatever level actually works.
Here's an example, I'm a doctor and you might often have a patient that has some unorthodox views on science/health care, and they might have a serious diagnosis that requires prompt treatment but because of those unorthodox views they may be resisting them, instead opting for some kind of herbal remedy first. I know that if they don't change their view then the consequences will be dire.
Do I tell them they are a delusional moron with outdated views and remove them from my office? Or do I try to understand where they are coming from, where the roots of their attraction to these unorthodox views come from, and then use that understanding to find a way to gradually convince them over to my point of view?
Obviously the latter, the former would cost me my license. We need to approach these issues with the same seriousness if we want to succeed.
The right take, tbh. Fuck these people.
Yeah, that's right, I'm talking to you!
(ha ha no I'm not pls don't ban)
But seriously tho, there's no point in talking to or reasoning with these people. Kick them out in the cold and try to foster a good community with the not-shitty people.
Yeah, that's right, I'm talking to you!
(ha ha no I'm not pls don't ban)
But seriously tho, there's no point in talking to or reasoning with these people. Kick them out in the cold and try to foster a good community with the not-shitty people.
It was exactly the same with Gamergate. Of all the questionable things that have happened in the industry over the years the merest sniff of a suggestion that a woman in the industry did something unethical no matter how unsubstantiated is what set them of on a crusade in the name of "ethics in game journalism"
It's just sheer misogyny.
Wow, big kudos to Söderlund for being unwavering. It really is such an embarrassment for the medium as a whole that we have to put up with the uneducated and intolerance.
You are playing right into their game and getting a ton of side-eye from me right now. There's no discussion to be had. They have no interest in having good faith discussions.
Good on you if you can tell whether that obscure shadow crouched over the ridgeline is a male or female obscure shadow before you kill it.
Reddit notwithstanding, I doubt that this controversy will have a serious impact on sales if only because Battlefield influencers have been overwhelmingly positive about the gameplay so far.
User Banned (2 Weeks): Concern trolling throughout the thread, history of attempting to redirect discussions of representation issues towards other subjects.
Just to be clear, what you're saying is that there is no value in rational debate, that you don't know how to change the views of people with beliefs for find abhorrent but that's fine because it's not your job anyway?
I mean... ok but I really don't know what on earth that attitude is going to achieve for you.
Care to explain what's being censored? Their shitty takes are there for everyone to see.
Also, your posts suck and reek of "I just want to talk about games, man"
Battlefield subreddit is amusing to say the least
Why do they have such an unwavering need for TOTAL HISTORICAL ACCURACY like it's the only thing that matters in a multiplayer shooting game
Literally who cares if a model is female or male, does it matter in any way towards the goal or outcome or your enjoyment of the game
Why do they have such an unwavering need for TOTAL HISTORICAL ACCURACY like it's the only thing that matters in a multiplayer shooting game
Literally who cares if a model is female or male, does it matter in any way towards the goal or outcome or your enjoyment of the game
I'm impressed that EA had that response. Seems the people really bitching probably weren't going to be picking it up anyway.
The notion that you'd succeed even in your ridiculous hypothetical is naive. People that have lived and breathed far into adulthood thinking a certain way don't just change their beliefs, even when confronted with logic upon logic at long durations. At large people just don't change all that often. Really, if you're being serious, then what you're gonna wanna do is limit the outreach of these people with regressive ideals, don't provide them a fucking platform, and start working on our children, the future generation. Education at a young age is incredibly important, and specifically education that targets how to not fall into the trappings of bigoted beliefs will be fundamental in paving a better more inclusive future. Attempting to re-educate every regressive belief en masse is a fool's errand and absolutely not realistic in our current times.
If you think the posts about 'forced diversity' were an attempt at rational debate you have a poorly calibrated gauge for it.
Just because I'm not flatly calling for people of opposing views to be banned does not mean I am "on their side", it's precisely because I want those people to actually change their beliefs that I want them to remain in the discussion. Banning them outright is playing right into their game, but I'll spare you the side eye, I don't need to side eye anyone, side eye has no place in progressive debate, I am quite happy to discuss my views plainly. Leave side eye to the alt right, that's pretty much how they ensure their community purges internal dissent, it shouldn't be how we conduct ourselves.
This forum is not a 1 on 1 with people who hold these views plus those that wish to educate them. They are free to pop into any thread, post some truly hateful or ignorant shit and bail out. Thinking that we can change their mind by keeping them around is silly.
And hell, the bans are mostly temporary and serve as a slight education (what you just said is not permitted, take some time and think about it).
ResetEra is not a rehab center for bigotry and nor should it be.
Omg the salt on the Battlefield subreddit is incredible.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/8ql935/dice_developers_attitude_problem/
Anybody know of any alternate Battlefield subreddits without the incel / MRA infestation?
Edit
Holy shit
https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/8qmwsw/the_state_of_gaming_today/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/8ql935/dice_developers_attitude_problem/
Anybody know of any alternate Battlefield subreddits without the incel / MRA infestation?
Edit
Holy shit
https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/8qmwsw/the_state_of_gaming_today/
