Yeah, I thought that was her, the voice actor is British but she's playing a character from Norway or am I confused?
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EA on the backlash against women in Battlefield V: ‘Accept it or don’t buy the game’
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You could always source me, friend. It's not like I'm not going to read what you post. As it stands I can't find anything about what you're speaking of.
I can't help but feel if we went modern, the issue wouldn't be there to this degree. Sure, you'd still have the trolls who write some obscene, gross comments on YouTube- but at the same time it wouldn't be as bad as it is now. The faux outrage for the Harlem Hellfighters wasn't near as bad as this, and when female units were added with accuracy to BF1 (Russian Scout), I don't recall any outrage. Some people just want their setting to retain accuracy to the actual events- and I can see WWII being one that is important to adhere to for people. A modern setting wouldn't bring the same issues, and blatantly dismissing everyone's concerns as "haters" is being totally dismissive of the issue. I will admit, seeing People of Color Nazis on the field is gonna be a little jarring, but I can look past it for gameplay.
But at the same time, I will gladly sacrifice the historical accurate crowd to say fuck you to the women hating crowd, and I'll be playing a chick anyway lol.
But at the same time, I will gladly sacrifice the historical accurate crowd to say fuck you to the women hating crowd, and I'll be playing a chick anyway lol.
I would love to take your post to /battlefield and maybe open some eyes.
I wonder which vocal minority you really want to see 'pleased' here.
They are making a video game, not rewriting history. They are not trying to appease anyone. They want women to feel included and more welcomed.
History will not be rewritten, just pick up a history book after BF V is released, I promise it will say the same thing.
I like my ww2 games to be historically consistent for immersion purposes. With that said, Battlefield is on the bottom of the list of games that I care about when it comes to historical immersion. Small thing I didn't like is the female protagonist being British instead of Soviet or French, sides which had significant amounts of women in combat roles.
Think you're confused. That's a separate character in the single player missions who speaks Norwegian. This is the character people were talking about:
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Cause of the arm. And that she's a woman in the British army.
As a old Battlefield veteran who's been with the series since day -10 (I played the BF1942 demo on the very day it got out), I didn't bat an eye to this. Couldn't give a less shit about "accuracy" in my Battlefield games, as long as they are fun then I am good.
I gotta admit, I see progress.
5 years ago, I am willing to bet the boycott would've been 5x larger.
Slow progress....
5 years ago, I am willing to bet the boycott would've been 5x larger.
Slow progress....
Good.
This should be said for just about every game, to be honest. Developers have the freedom to create what they want, and you have the freedom to not buy it for whatever reason you see fit.
This should be said for just about every game, to be honest. Developers have the freedom to create what they want, and you have the freedom to not buy it for whatever reason you see fit.
This reminds me when people were saying RE5 was racist because you were killing primarily dark skinned people in central Africa. If I remember correctly, they added a whole bunch of very light skinned people to the zombie list. (sorry if I remembered this incorrectly)
Well, that clears that up.Think you're confused. That's a separate character in the single player missions who speaks Norwegian. This is the character people were talking about:
Cause of the arm. And that she's a woman in the British army.
As a old Battlefield veteran who's been with the series since day -10 (I played the BF1942 demo on the very day it got out), I didn't bat an eye to this. Couldn't give a less shit about "accuracy" in my Battlefield games, as long as they are fun then I am good.
I don't think the two situations are at all similar. There's a lot of tone deaf shit (to be kind) in RE5. I can't judge intent, but there was a lot to take issue with there.
BFV's controversy stems around the simple inclusion of women and minorities in a historical war setting and some outspoken groups of gaming trying to make that controversial or bad. DICE rightfully is standing up to them.
I like what EA and Dice are saying here, but the true test will be Battlefieled VI. Will that game make the same efforts to be inclusive? Will that game put marginalised people at the center?
I mean if you really want you can just copy and paste, or paraphrase, or whatever. I imagine they'd just disregard it as nonsensical ravings of an SJW from that SJW forum though if they knew the origins.
I myself haven't mustered up the courage to go have a look at the Battlefield subreddit. I tend to avoid gaming subreddits and forums (gameFAQs) in general because it gets tiring. I tend to stick to resetera and a few other select sites in an attempt to retain my sanity, but alas, I'm still exposed to the toxic shit that permeates throughout the videogamer populace.
The campaign stories will most likely strive to be historicaly accurate-ish.
The Multiplayer is just pure nonsense though. It's a non-existant battle with a british faction using weapons and tanks not even invented then, with british paratroopers fighting furing the Phoney war. The women are really at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to them breaking accuracy.
It's not worth getting upset over even if you do care about accuracy, they're clearly not even trying to go for it in any way other than the general aesthetic.
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Dont really care if they are male of female in the game..........you want realism go play arma
in saying that i dont really agree with people sprinkling the hate on someone because they have a different opinion which goes against the social norm..............some people you will never change so you are better off just ignoring and leaving them to their own devices
the world would get on much better if people were a little more carefree
in saying that i dont really agree with people sprinkling the hate on someone because they have a different opinion which goes against the social norm..............some people you will never change so you are better off just ignoring and leaving them to their own devices
the world would get on much better if people were a little more carefree
I'm not google. If you can't be arsed, or can't manage, to do basic research it's not my job to make up for your failings. All of which is predicated upon the idea that historical accuracy is of meaningful value in a game which clearly doesnt care about it.
You know what, fuck it, here you go.
That's a photo of a man preparing a cigarette using Dorrance style split hook prosthetics. Developed in 1912 by DW Dorrance.
Here's an image from 1919 of an American veteran using a prosthetic to help him weld.
The idea that by 194X prosthetic technology wasnt advanced enough so that it could act as the brace for a guns barrel is literally laughable. Dorrance style split hooks can exert up to ~140N in a Pinch Grip, more realistically from 45-70N for larger obects, the average pinch grip for a man is ~87N, for women its ~58N. If you can roll a fag, hold an umbrella and weld with one then you can certainly use it as a barrel rest.
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I'm glad to see a corporation as big as EA doing this, it means that they looked at the bottom line and realized that these misogynist dumbasses are an extremely vocal minority who don't affect sales.
Seriously, it really is a good response. It's getting tiring to "defend" this all the time. Just accept it. Or, as EA here said:
Accept it, or don't buy it! It's quite simple.
When you get back in a week you should know that this wasn't corporate mandated, it's something the devs wanted to do.
Battlefield 1942 was literally called a "comic book version of WW2" and had a ton of innaccuacies from factions using the wrong weapons to the majority of vehicles being prototypes that never worked or saw action during WW2.
I am getting so fed up with people who demand that games validate their opinions or nurture some political agenda of sorts. This goes both way. The very notion that the game industry is suppose to bear any responsibility in the cultivation of good morale must be the biggest fucking paradox considering lootboxes and all this other bs they pump out too.
When all of that is said and done, some games just want to be more inclusive (even if it's due to the simple and cynical notion that it attracts more/new customers). That's fine!
I cannot believe what the world has come to, when some people seriously feel let down by the fact that they can CHOOSE a women.
It's not even obligatory...
This is just about inclusion, and it isn't at the cost of any men.
When all of that is said and done, some games just want to be more inclusive (even if it's due to the simple and cynical notion that it attracts more/new customers). That's fine!
I cannot believe what the world has come to, when some people seriously feel let down by the fact that they can CHOOSE a women.
It's not even obligatory...
This is just about inclusion, and it isn't at the cost of any men.
Do you really think games like Battlefield or Call of Duty have anything to do with real history? Or that a shooter game could "rewrite' history?
The overall premise of turning a real war into a dumb shooter game could be seen as inappropriate, but include women in a video game is nothing that should upset people.
I actually hope that they sell the option to "filter out cosmetics" for something like $30, only for idiots to buy it in mass numbers just to find out that it doesn't turn everyone into a white soldier, might as well fund the development of the free DLCs.
Opinions that go against the social norm? Like what, misogyny and bigotry? Just leave them be? Fuck no. Those beliefs actively hurt people, and in fact could be argued to be the fucking social norm for far too long. People that believe these things absolutely need to be criticised, disempowered, and whatever necessary so as to not allow these twisted ideologies to spread.
Now you might be saying nah man, you're overreacting a bit, the people criticising Battlefield V for not being historically accurate aren't misogynists or anything, they really do care about historical accuracy ethics and stuff!!! Bullshit. These little videogame spats are a perfect microcosmic look at the much larger fucking problem. A system of fucked up beliefs that are so damn ingrained that anything rivalling the norm will be looked at as a threat. This isn't about historical accuracy, this be about women in videogames, a male dominant medium.
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Kids these days don't read books about ww2. They play games. And this game is showing history not accuretly. Specially since it's taking places in real life and not just some fantasy.
Kids will think this is how it went down back then when it wasn't based on their video game experience .
This game is misleading. Yes women helped. All respect to them and they are not less importance in their role more than a man. But they didnt help like how they were showing it.
And when a stupid company that want my money to try and tell me we will make it our way or the high way. Then lol fuck off it's the high way. You are the one with less 60$ in your pocket you freak.
Next time let them hire someone with a silver tongue . Now someone who try and piss people off.what a god damn moron .
Kids will think this is how it went down back then when it wasn't based on their video game experience .
This game is misleading. Yes women helped. All respect to them and they are not less importance in their role more than a man. But they didnt help like how they were showing it.
And when a stupid company that want my money to try and tell me we will make it our way or the high way. Then lol fuck off it's the high way. You are the one with less 60$ in your pocket you freak.
Next time let them hire someone with a silver tongue . Now someone who try and piss people off.what a god damn moron .
I still don't understand why they can't make your soldier choices faction specific. It's going to be weird seeing female British paratroopers, Indians driving Tigers, red headed Caucasians fighting in the Imperial Japanese Army (eventually, when we get a Japanese faction). You can have all of those soldiers in the game while still having a basic level of authenticity if you just assign them to the appropriate factions based on history, and I don't see what's lost that way. I don't mind being female when playing the Russian Scout class, or Japanese when playing the Japanese Assault class, etc., those things all make sense historically. BF1 already takes that approach with the female Russian Scout class, Indian British Medic, etc., and IMHO it works well and there have been no complaints.
I'm reminded of the backlash against being forced to play an African-American character in GTA San Andreas. It was always the correct call for the character in the setting, a no-brainer. People still complained that they couldn't empathise with the character because he was unlike them. Why? Your in-game character shouldn't always have to be you if you have a basic level of empathy.
I'm reminded of the backlash against being forced to play an African-American character in GTA San Andreas. It was always the correct call for the character in the setting, a no-brainer. People still complained that they couldn't empathise with the character because he was unlike them. Why? Your in-game character shouldn't always have to be you if you have a basic level of empathy.
Banning them from an at-will forum membership accomplishes this.
So you should have zero complaints.
This is so sublimely stupid that I wish it were a joke so it would be funny in a non-sad way. Well I suppose kudos for the sadly original "Stupid people learn history from video games" angle. It does strike me as a little odd that you dont give a shit that the battles portrayed didnt happen, that the weapons and vehicles are anachronistic, that people COME BACK FROM THE FUCKING DEAD, and so on. You're fine with the poor dumb kids learning those parts of history wrong. But a woman in combat thats where you draw the line? Oh and pro-tip its a fucking game, which means it absolutely isnt taking place in real life. I suppose it was generous of you to say that you would be happier to have your money tricked out of you than be told the truth, I mean a weird form of generous, a tenuous generous if you will, but something lone the less.
Sounds like kids should read about WW2 then
Why is your answer to make video games into history lessons instead?
I guess you also hate the battle royale mode being in the game since there were no battle royale skirmishes in WW2?
Or are you happy with that mode being included?
There's a *heck* of a lot to dislike EA as a company for which I am most certainly in agreement for a good amount of but their efforts for diversity and representation are noting short of outstanding as far as I'm concerned and I really am chuffed to hear this from them- it's the absolute right response to the absolutely right move in the first place,
But yeah from Mass Effect to Battlefield to FIFA they really have been making great strides for a while now and they deserve a lot of support for this reason.
Again great to hear.
But yeah from Mass Effect to Battlefield to FIFA they really have been making great strides for a while now and they deserve a lot of support for this reason.
Again great to hear.
Good for them. People saying this isn't historically accurate are just a bunch of assholes. This is a video game. Respawning isn't accurate, quick scoping isn't realistic, half the things you can do in the game are not realistic. Playing as a women doesn't nothing to break the feeling I'm in a video game and for the record in any game where I can play a female I usually do simply because if I'm staring at a tv screen and seeing my characters ass 24/7 it's going to be a females. Sorry blame evolution I'm a man.
If these people want realism go and join your nation's armed forces. This is a video game, first and foremost. These people have been attempting to rewrite Battlefield's history since the first trailer for this premiered. They claimed Battlefield always cared about accuracy and immersion, which if you knew anything about the history of WW2 you would know that's a bunch of nonsense. Where was the outrage for all the other inaccuracies in this series? Were these people pissed that Spielberg invented a fake battle, in a fake town for the end of Saving Private Ryan to cap the movie off with dramatic effect?
I applaud DICE and EA on their stance. Even if they included women and POC to sell more cosmetics, who cares, it's a video game for heaven's sake. We should never expect any sort of entertainment media like this to teach us about something as profoundly horrific as WW2, at least, not when the sole purpose of the series is COMIC BOOK CARTOON FUN.
These people complaining need to pick up a book, take a course on the subject or maybe sit this game out, because unfortunately for them, video games will never go back to "white male safe spaces". It's time we tell other stories and include others in our multiplayer mayhem. And no, that doesn't mean they're rewriting history, because Battlefield was never about that, it was a fun multiplayer shooter at its heart that used WW2 as a backdrop for its mayhem.
I applaud DICE and EA on their stance. Even if they included women and POC to sell more cosmetics, who cares, it's a video game for heaven's sake. We should never expect any sort of entertainment media like this to teach us about something as profoundly horrific as WW2, at least, not when the sole purpose of the series is COMIC BOOK CARTOON FUN.
These people complaining need to pick up a book, take a course on the subject or maybe sit this game out, because unfortunately for them, video games will never go back to "white male safe spaces". It's time we tell other stories and include others in our multiplayer mayhem. And no, that doesn't mean they're rewriting history, because Battlefield was never about that, it was a fun multiplayer shooter at its heart that used WW2 as a backdrop for its mayhem.
If someone that wants representation of women in a game is a freak, what exactly do you think that makes you?
So I guess it's okay to be historically inaccurate about the locations, vehicles, weapons, and a vast number of everything else associated with a Battlefield game. But when it comes to portraying women in the setting inaccurately that's crossing the line? You know what, I agree. Who's gonna think of these poor kids getting history lessons from an M-rated videogame, they mights grow up to think that some women served in the WW2!!! THE HORROR!!! What if they grow up to be historians and actually rewrite the history books???
Speaking purely from a strategic point of view, if you want to challenge beliefs you feel are wrong then moralising and censorsing is absolutely guaranteed to fail and only strengthen those beliefs and encourage further division in society.
Historical accuracy regarding WWII is extremely important, but FPS video games undermine just about everything about war so including additional women is a drop in an inaccurate ocean. The entire concept of respawning is pretty much an insult to everyone who ever lost their life in war. Also the Norway story involving female characters looks like the most historically accurate part of the game so far.
But you can explain that to people without banning or censoring them, that is completely counterproductive and in fact exactly the kind of thing that traditionalist right wingers do. It's an abject betrayal of progressivism and will only increase the number of people attracted to those views.
The moderation here is already well down the slippery slope back to how it was in the old place. Really sad and completely unnecessary. We're big boys and girls, we should be able to handle people with different views to us.
This would be funny as hell seeing that my school district seems to always need money for pencils and paper I can't imagine the graphics budget for these history lessons lol 8bit wwii
