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EA responds to community criticism of Battlefront 2 unlock system
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EA has had predatory awful consumer hurting practices for years and people still gave them money. They were rewarded and told this was okay. People will buy this game too and then it will get worse in the future. Most of the people on reddit complaining have no one to blame but themselves.
I wish that there was a discounted version that only had single player, because I'm not even going to touch multiplayer. I just want to play Iden's campaign.
its worse here because children can get involved, the EA shit is beyond low
Yeah really unprofessional. I can at least understand he's frustrated, but that tweet was extremly poor form.
That is exactly what they are doing. There are companies that hire psicologists to devise methods to bleed money from consumers.
I am starting to agree with these sentiments. Such an outstanding game being shoehorned with their gross mismanagement/gambling, and it is starting to feel like they are slapping gamers and Star Wars fans in the face. Like an, "our way or the highway" attitude.
Is it possible everything will be unlocked for offline play against bots ?
I don't really care about online, just like most games I want to buy this to take some screenshots and then move on
But in the first game I was able to try out any of the heroes
I don't really care about online, just like most games I want to buy this to take some screenshots and then move on
But in the first game I was able to try out any of the heroes
Agreed. EA is seeing just how onerous and predatory they can make their unlock system and economy when the game is tied to Star Wars. They are testing the waters to see just how much they can get away with if people want the brand enough.
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That's the F2P Star Wars mobile game isn't it?
Well... https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13383714_f520.jpg
The crystals cost in BF2 matches the F2P game lol. At least the $99.99 cap.
People should remind EA this isn't a F2P game. It has to be tuned fairer.
Yeah good point. And while I'm a pretty big advocate of parents monitoring the media their children consume I can't exactly blame any parents who don't have the time/energy to get well versed in what exactly is going on in every single games as a service ecosystem.
LOL, EA. Like others have said, I won't be buying this shitty game. I've got plenty of others to play. Games that don't take the piss with my time and money.
The sad truth is Battlefront 2 is going to sell millions and thsee paywalls will successfully make EA millions... perhaps more than any other game they have ever made.
Hell, more than half the people bitching are still gonna buy it and half of those imbeciles are gonna buy loot boxes too. The hypocrisy among outraged gamers is unreal.
Hell, more than half the people bitching are still gonna buy it and half of those imbeciles are gonna buy loot boxes too. The hypocrisy among outraged gamers is unreal.
I think it's pretty great to see that most people posting in regards to this game seem to be on the same page: They're either completely uninterested now or have already canceled their pre-orders. I buy pretty much anything, because I love to dive into these controversial things head first so I can discuss them with some real knowledge... you know, sort of see how bad something the internet has set ablaze with hatred really is. Usually, they aren't as bad as people make them out to be... but I've canceled this. When a studio makes it so even I won't buy a game, they've REALLY messed up.
I feel bad for others who pre-ordered on platforms they won't be refunded for, though. At the very least, that should be a lesson learned.
I feel bad for others who pre-ordered on platforms they won't be refunded for, though. At the very least, that should be a lesson learned.
This whole prospect of developers constantly tweaking the reward structure of their games after launch just disgusts me. There is absolutley nothing stopping them from reducing reward curves to further incentivize in game purchases down the road. Its clear by the way they have designed these systems that they are absolutely not designed to make people feel as though they are getting any sense of satisfaction or reward from playing they are designed around trying to make things as obtuse and inconvenient as possible so as to encourage players to spend more money and its absolutely gross to see them constantly try to push boundaries just to see how much they can get away with before there's some sort of community outcry.
There are responsible and consumer friendly ways to implement in game transactions; ways that don't diminish the player's ability to enjoy the game they've purchased. EA has shown no desire to pursue such a path and instead opts for ever more design altering implementations that further and further diminish the player's enjoyment of the games they make. Why? Because they have brands that they think people will buy no matter how awful their in game monetization schemes are. Eventually they will be proven wrong and whenever that happens we might actually see meaningful change in thier design process instead of minor tweaks to existing reward systems to make them less outright offensive to the player base.
There are responsible and consumer friendly ways to implement in game transactions; ways that don't diminish the player's ability to enjoy the game they've purchased. EA has shown no desire to pursue such a path and instead opts for ever more design altering implementations that further and further diminish the player's enjoyment of the games they make. Why? Because they have brands that they think people will buy no matter how awful their in game monetization schemes are. Eventually they will be proven wrong and whenever that happens we might actually see meaningful change in thier design process instead of minor tweaks to existing reward systems to make them less outright offensive to the player base.
And yet here they are, making multiple statements in a single day. If they lose 10% of the battlefront fanbase thats 1.5 million players, and roughly 90 million dollars in revenue.
There are challenges per class and maybe heroes/vehicles but they're one time things, each level gets harder and harder. They aren't daily as far as I know.
Whelp, Best Buy has Titanfall 2 Deluxe for $19.99 ($15.99 GCU) brand new. I have yet to play that game. I will be getting that this week instead, and get some fun in before EA shits all over that game with their P2W model for the 3rd one.
Sucks, because I was looking forward to this game so, so much as a huge SW geek for well over 30 years. I just can't get behind this predatory model unless things change for those who gave you $60 damned dollars for it. The grind is atrocious.
Really wanted it mainly for the single player aspect with Iden's story, etc..
Sucks, because I was looking forward to this game so, so much as a huge SW geek for well over 30 years. I just can't get behind this predatory model unless things change for those who gave you $60 damned dollars for it. The grind is atrocious.
Really wanted it mainly for the single player aspect with Iden's story, etc..
The problem with this post is that, this kind of logic really only applies to us... the people who care about gaming enough to actually keep our ears to the ground. The general public, the 'casual' gamers, are going to buy this game in droves, and probably buy a lot of loot boxes, too. With Ubisoft announcing their microtransactions sales are over their digital distribution sales, I think that's got to paint a pretty sad and accurate picture as to what's going on. Sadly, I don't think it really matters what we do anymore. Glad to see the game may be tweaked A LITTLE, but they can't change our minds on this substantial grind unless they do something... you know, substantial.
Losing a job is a very, very serious thing. I get that the tweet was shitty, but it wasn't so bad that it should disrupt and possibly ruin his life for a long while.
There is a strong disconnect between gamers who want a slow meaningful progression for Multiplayer unlocks over an extended period of time to foster continual engagement and those who want to experience all the content as fast as possible before moving on to their next game. The first player is far more lucrative to publishers, the second player is far more loud on social media. The fact that the second group doesn't realize how out of touch they are is too bad.
exactly, its different and frequent in every game, all the currency goes by a different title
they color it up with cutesy themed names like "crystals" and most adults should be able to discern exactly whats going on, but kids buy into it so fast i see it all the time
then you have children who get straight up addicted in their own right, kids who will steal their parents cards etc., EA is breeding this garbage and its so much more prominent because they are in AAA console games that people expect are big budget titles monitored/tested and released, the average person would think its scam proof because of how large of a name it is
phone games with disgusting tactics generally reek of scam and are small scale titles, but AAA titles hide it under expectation and well thought out glitter
I'm a HUGE Star Wars fan and was very hopeful this game was going to fix many of the problems I had with the 2015 game. I loved the heck of the beta, and have played about five hours so far on PC. I was planning on pre-ordering the Deluxe edition so I could play on Tuesday but I don't think I'll even be purchasing the game at all after seeing how powerful some of these star cards are. This is a massive problem.
Hopefully they reverse some of this or else this will be a purchase when the game hits $30.
Hopefully they reverse some of this or else this will be a purchase when the game hits $30.
I don't know how seriously I should be taking these statements, especially when they can easily make that amount back and more from the rest of the people who are happy to spend big on microtransactions.
This is gonna make his previous tweet explode - he didn't even have a 'different' controversy to point to, lol
What happened to looking at this objectively? You now see why I replied to you the way I did this morning?
It's a damn shame, but it's EA.
Their response does not change any of the core mechanics people are complaining about. It's lip service to a group of people who don't realize yet how little power they have.
Yea they are getting trashed everywhere and it's getting worse over how they handled BF2. They are gonna need to do something soon to try and fix this mess cause it's only going to get worse as word keeps spreading. Their PR answers so far aren't doing them any favors
I'll agree he shouldn't lose his job. It was just sort of like an, "Wow, what's happening right now is pretty unreal" moment. What he said was extremely stupid, though. Again, fuel on the fire.
But I just don't like to see people lose their jobs unless they really deserve it... but realistically, from a business perspective, he probably does deserve it.
Imagine you're the person behind the wheel, driving Miss Daisy. You careen off a bridge and into a lake. Are they going to chalk that up as a mistake and 'see you tomorrow', or are you going to be fired? Probably the latter. Similarly, this guy's job is public relations... and he really sort of mini-Don Mattricked this today.
Armchair developer....just because you work for a developer doesnt mean you know what's best. If you did, you wouldn't do betas for that valuable user feedback. If you didn't need us then why do you need all this information from us. Such hypocrites
I wanted all the facts, and there was a lot of misinformation being spread among the flames. I was always against the grind, and spoken out about it every time. But the more and more I am seeing things transpire, "The darkness rises, and the light to meet it."
Still hoping for the light, but not holding my breath at the moment.
I get what they are saying with trying to generate a sense of pride and accomplishment. This sense of progression and rewards is what releases our dopamine and makes games addictive. And because it is addictive it makes these practices predatory and manipulative because it coerces people into spending on microtransactions. If they really cared about accomplishment then they would have removed microtransactions altogether. But really it is just an obvious attempt to milk people fore extra money because millions of people paying $60 each isn't enough.
I mean, when your literal job is being a community manager and you decide to make a statement that attacks the community, that is job-losing dumb.
I get it, it sucks. But that's one of the worst things he could do in the position he has.
It'll certainly be interesting to see what happens. I mean, the last game didn't go so well because not enough people bought the season passes. The community kept getting fractioned off into smaller and smaller bases with the release of each new piece of DLC, and it eventually killed that game's community (well, for the most part). This game, however, isn't going to have that problem of divide because everyone gets all the new maps and what not for free and will be playing together. The real test this time is going to be about seeing how long the average player's engagement is. People are getting really tired of the 'grind as content' thing... Destiny 2's plummeting numbers seem to show that. So... we'll see. We'll see.
Guess this armchair developer won't be buying the game then.
Really dislike this attitude that consumers should just shut up and take this kind of stuff. The game would be solid if it weren't for this kind of nonsense.
Really dislike this attitude that consumers should just shut up and take this kind of stuff. The game would be solid if it weren't for this kind of nonsense.
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