People are dumb enough to but incomplete products. We have proven that to the suits at these companies time and again. They know most of us will eat this shit up day one so if they can hustle you...they will.
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EA, stop rushing your games!
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I think people are overreacting. The beta had a lot of server issues, yes, but a lot of that cleared up on Sunday and the game was actually pretty fun. They have a month to fullproof their servers now. Let's wait and see how it actually turns out. The open beta will be a good test as well.
And personally, I really don't care that the 60fps thing is coming later.
And personally, I really don't care that the 60fps thing is coming later.
And yet 99.99 percent of people outside the forum anthem hate bubble would never notice, nor did any of these issues beyond normal launch tweaking actually get in the way of the game being one of the best experiences and most fun things to play in years for me and many others.
It'll be interesting to see if they do genuinely deliver on that 60fps mode for Pro and X post-launch. I'd be surprised given the performance of the demo, but it'd certainly be great to see.
The likely small drop in console copy sales of people not picking it up due to this was never gonna stop EA. When millions are spent on marketing months in advance, you can't just delay the game. I find it hard to point fingers at either Bioware or EA specifically, because we don't have all the facts from both sides and we likely never will.
Yeah, just look at the roaring success of Mass Effect Andromeda! EA hate is clearly confined only to this forum.
Been thinking that a lot the last few years about a lot of the things they keep doing.
Try switching to 1080p and supersampling off, it runs unlocked then.
IDK man. It´s just what it is.
Games have to leave the door at some point. You shoot for a date and prioritize. If they could every dev would keep working on a game forever.
Fixing or improving a game after launch is also not exclusive to EA.
Fortnite was patched to 60fps at some point. (cue b b but it´s free posts)
One of my favorite games (GT Sport) is still not done evolving.
Sony (understandably) wanted it out of the door at some point. PD assembled what they had and (to this day) never stopped working on it.
I enjoy being there for the ride in some cases.
(I do hate nerfing / re balancing after launch in MP games tho, but that´s a different story.)
Games have to leave the door at some point. You shoot for a date and prioritize. If they could every dev would keep working on a game forever.
Fixing or improving a game after launch is also not exclusive to EA.
Fortnite was patched to 60fps at some point. (cue b b but it´s free posts)
One of my favorite games (GT Sport) is still not done evolving.
Sony (understandably) wanted it out of the door at some point. PD assembled what they had and (to this day) never stopped working on it.
I enjoy being there for the ride in some cases.
(I do hate nerfing / re balancing after launch in MP games tho, but that´s a different story.)
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I tried all day sunday and only got into one group session. Expedition, the dungeon and any group quests wouldn't even load. That shit was FAR from fixed sunday, and I know damn well I wasn't the only one still locked ou. This weekend will be the real test.
If they don't wait to release finished games then you simply wait to buy it. Never buy EA games at launch. This could be said for most games but with EA it is particularly advisable. Not only will you get the finished game 6 months to a year down the line but it will also be dirt cheap.
A game being free is a critical detail and can't be hand waved. Saying it being free is irrelevant when comparing it to an $80 game is ridiculous.
A game being free is a critical detail and can't be hand waved. Saying it being free is irrelevant when comparing it to an $80 game is ridiculous.
But shareholders are people and they need their money man.
For real though it does suck how pressured developers are to push products out. If you give studios plenty of time you get fantastic products in the end. There are some exceptions to this such as games that have been through development hell tend to not be that great in the end.
For real though it does suck how pressured developers are to push products out. If you give studios plenty of time you get fantastic products in the end. There are some exceptions to this such as games that have been through development hell tend to not be that great in the end.
Fair, I had some group errors on Sunday too (I didn't say everything was fixed). But I got through a lot of the missions, where Friday and Saturday I couldn't even get into the game at all.
And I still think people are overreacting.
nothing cleared up, there was the infinite loading glitch happening the whole time through the whole DEMO(because they called it a demo and not a beta)
I don't think people are overreacting at all. We are not even a month away and the game appears to be in an incredibly rough state. Most people couldn't even log on and those that did had a 50/50 chance to make it past load screens. Real confidence builder right there.
This is like, the exact opposite of the RE2 demo. That showed confidence in a product and solidified my purchase. The Anthem demo shows me to stay the hell away and get it cheap in 6 months.
The bigger problem is people still rushing out to buy these half-baked games at launch and then complaining about them being broken, as if it was a surpise. I can already see the same old cycle happening with Anthem. As long as you keep rewarding companies like EA they will feed you their half-bakes goods.
That's really not a fair comparison, and I think you know that. That's a single player demo, these issues aren't even possible there.
Look, I got burnt on Destiny when that launched as a shitshow. I am not getting Anthem at launch (if ever), as I expect that will have issues. But I think it has potential to be a good game and most of the issues will likely be fixed soon.
They can call it a demo, but it's a beta, and that's how I see it. It's going to have issues and it's not representative of the launch game. And from my experience it was pretty much what I expected. Now I think we should wait and see, for both the open beta and the actual launch.
Note that we're not even talking about the same issue brought up in the OP, now that's a better example of overreacting.
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EA gave them 7 years to make this game. 7 years. if they cant get it done in 7 years, its on them.
Since March 2012 (when ME3 released), Naughty Dog have released TLOU, uncharted 4, uncharted lost legacy and will soon release TLOU2. thats four games in that span.
Like when does a publisher say enough is enough? this release date was announced 8 months ago. they had a lot of time to reduce scope and polish the game. they just werent able to. its easy to blame EA for everything but its easy to see that their devs have let them down.
If you want 60 on console give Capcom money since they actually care about quality and performance unlike EA that makes way more money even if they are trash and dont care.
Bioware have also made DA Inquisition and ME:A in between. So ME3, DA, ME:A and Anthem - booyah! 4 games in the same timespan.
You can't really compare a single player narrative vs. a GAAS / Looter shooter, but I agree the Anthem demo just caused more harm than good. It's kinda silly, but I do believe calling it a demo, and not a beta was a mistake. I think a lot of the technical issues would have been less impactful on the reception just with that change in lanugage from demo to beta.
I still think Anthem will be extremely successful, but they took a huge step back with the demo. Even Destiny's alpha and beta were really strong. This seems to me to be the case of a publisher telling the team they need to put a demo out, and the developer either not having the resources, or the interest producing a competent version. My assumption is that bioware saw the demo as a distraction to the development of the actual game, and it wasn't given the care it needed. I'm optimistic that the final product will run well and be competent at release. However, I'm definitely going to wait for reviews and watch a few streams before jumping in myself.
The people I feel worst for are bioware fans. I feel like the odds of seeing a new bioware dragon age have decreased ever so slightly after this weekend.
Bioware Montreal (ME:Andromeda) and Bioware Austin are/were not the same dev team.
And who cares? Uncharted LL was also made by a ND B team.
Saying ND made 4 games while Bioware made 2 is simply wrong.
I couldn't play the vip demo, I was confused because all videos I saw the framerate was 25-30fps. If you are saying is true, it's time than DF and other sites, test PS4 Pro games on 1080p mode, there are much people like me we are using FullHD yet
I don't think they really spend 7 years on it.
The Edmonton ME team also work on finishing DA:I. And they pretty much stop working on Anthem for the 18 months or so they spent trying to salvage Andromeda. So it's probably closer to 5 years of development which seems average for a new IP as far as I know
I get what your saying, but fuck fair when it comes to this stuff. This industry rarely ever treats its customers in a fair manner so unless they do, I've no sympathy for them.
You know your game is a big, multiplayer borderline MMO experience. Cool, whatever. Wouldn't the fair thing be to release a beta a few months out so you can take care of problems and be ahead of this?
Nah lets juat drop it 3 weeks from launch and see how it goes, have it be a mess at launch then have customers wait a year for things to be fixed. That sure as hell isn't fair as far as I'm concerned.
The woes of game development and Andromeda in particular are really of no concern to the consumer, only the finished product.
I mean, he's saying they don't have enough time to optimize the game. Sure, the question is about a 60 fps mode, but we know as of the demo, it doesn't run at 30 either. I think it's fair to read between the lines here, no?
"shareholders" is not really an answer, a competent management team can convince them that delaying a game by X months will result in higher profits. Its a management team that has an extremely poor understanding of the market and doesn't really understand that a GREAT product with a good marketing push will almost always do better than a mediocre product with an awesome marketing push. Rockstar games gets a lot of leeway in their games but the $$ results justify it. Ubisoft is also pretty good about delaying games when needed, a lesson they learned from Assassins Creed Unity.
Unfortunately EA has stumbled now over and over and keeps releasing mediocre products with awful marketing campaigns, Battlefield 5 being the last one and Anthem looks like its up next. And then they blame the devs for not creating an awesome game, when a big reason for the failure is their insistence on dates and not being a good publisher and deciding to delay the game by X timeframe.
Of course the studios themselves do shoulder some blame if they keep delaying the game for months or years and just spin their wheels and not make much progress, you could argue that for Battlefield 5 maybe and if Anthem has really been in development like 6-8 years then who knows.
Unfortunately EA has stumbled now over and over and keeps releasing mediocre products with awful marketing campaigns, Battlefield 5 being the last one and Anthem looks like its up next. And then they blame the devs for not creating an awesome game, when a big reason for the failure is their insistence on dates and not being a good publisher and deciding to delay the game by X timeframe.
Of course the studios themselves do shoulder some blame if they keep delaying the game for months or years and just spin their wheels and not make much progress, you could argue that for Battlefield 5 maybe and if Anthem has really been in development like 6-8 years then who knows.
Lets wait and see how the final release is. Optimization is always done at the very end.
I'll try and find it, but the person who leaked it has been proven reliable in the past with their past leaks
Not always no, it's an ongoing process, but point taken. I do think there's a chance it'll be better at launch, but I still think this current unusual situation is worth discussing. It's disingenuous to say there's nothing worth discussing at this time.
I never said that? I just said i dont see the link between EA rushing and waiting for a 60fps mode at some point. Wich affects 2 out of the 5 platforms.
Dont think that they are not waiting on that is rushing.
At some point publishers are going to want some sort of ROI...
OP you should read Blood, Sweat and Pixels. It gives a lot of insight as to how games are made and the decisions that developers and publishers have to make.
OP you should read Blood, Sweat and Pixels. It gives a lot of insight as to how games are made and the decisions that developers and publishers have to make.
I'm just arguing that there is definitely a potential link between the two if you also include the context of how the demo runs, but fair enough if you disagree. I do think the wait and see approach is sensible, but there is obvious cause for concern. Has anyone come out to say the performance will be significantly improved from the demo in the final release yet?