Easy Allies |OT2| Love & Reset

Oct 29, 2017
981
Belgium
I use google search because other search engines suck but I don't pretend that Google isn't spying on everything to try to market it.
I haven't used Google Search for a couple of years now (I use duckduckgo, but have used others as well) and I don't feel like I am missing anything (btw not because I hate Google, I have been using Android phones for years and I am happy with them and I prefer their openness over the restrictions Apple has). Just as a tip: there are search engines like searx.me (https://searx.me/) which you can configure to only use Google Search (it uses a couple of search engines by default, but you can add a lot of others (or remove them)), but it doesn't send on your IP address and other spying related stuff.

I am not saying anyone should change (I don't mind that people use Google search at all, I started using it from the end of the 90s or early 2000s before it became insanely popular, when altavista was still the go to search engine), but if the spying thing is something you do care about and you still want the Google results (which are obviously quite good compared to a lot of other search engines), you can always give that one a shot.

Edit: I believe startpage.com also uses Google results and they protect your privacy as well.
 
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Oct 28, 2017
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They were exactly as cynical as that reveal deserved. The corporate apologists who demand everyone likes the same thing they do shouldn't be allowed to control the conversation.

Weird nitpick on the gameshow - Great content, but for the love of god, someone teach Huber how to button a suit jacket. Bottom button only is insanity.
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,591
Their reactions just toId me they have no business being based in California if their internet sucks that bad. They should just move to a bigger city in the Midwest where the internet isn't so ass you can't watch a video without it buffering every few seconds.

I was like, "Fuck, are the Allies actually in the past and I'm just watching a rerun or something? "
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Their reactions just toId me they have no business being based in California if their internet sucks that bad. They should just move to a bigger city in the Midwest where the internet isn't so ass you can't watch a video without it buffering every few seconds.

I was like, "Fuck, are the Allies actually in the past and I'm just watching a rerun or something? "
This...this is a joke right? Haha good one.
 
Just saying. That patreon dough would go a lot further in Indianapolis. I also haven't had a video buffer in about a decade. Game Informer has the right idea being based out in the middle of nowhere.
The majority of people in the world don't have grade A internet. Them saying that they will have billions of gamers is somewhat misguided if there aren't billions of people with super good internet. I have decent internet (I believe it's 100/35 without any caps) and I suspect it would work ok, but I don't see why I would want this over having my dedicated console. It will never look as good as a native console on the same resolution (because of stream artifacts) and I don't care how good the latency is, it won't be better than a native console either.

It's a good idea, but it's a pipedream that this thing will work at this time in 4k for anyone but a handful of people if you look at it globally.
720p, sure. 1080p possibly, but they will need a decent upload speed/latency as well for responsive controls. I am sure it will work well in a controlled environment or if you can get+pay for very good internet, but a lot of places in the world (including the US as far as I understand it), don't have that luxury.

Saying that people need to move to be able to use that thing is ridiculous. If Google didn't realise that the majority of people in the world don't have good enough internet to stream games in decent quality, they didn't do their job correctly. They said themselves something like: We don't believe people have to adapt to technology, but technology has to adapt to people.

People having to move to make this technology work isn't them adapting to people, it's completely the opposite of what they were saying.

I suspect it's a bit early for this. Let's hope it will be decent enough quality for the majority of people so people don't burn out of streaming games because I do believe this can be the future for less demanding people. I do believe that Xbox's idea is good and (depending how they implement payment) Google's idea can work for people who casually want to play a game. But thinking that you will get ultimate quality for billions of people at the end of the year is somewhat optimistic.

I do believe it can be part of the future. I do believe it can be successful in the end and Google won't get burned trying this (as long as they keep it online long enough for people to use it), but at the moment it will only be viable with a decent resolution/quality for the happy few.
 
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Oct 29, 2017
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The majority of people in the world don't have grade A internet. Them saying that they will have billions of gamers is somewhat misguided if there aren't billions of people with super good internet. I have decent internet (I believe it's 100/35 without any caps) and I suspect it would work ok, but I don't see why I would want this over having my dedicated console. It will never look as good as a native console on the same resolution (because of stream artifacts) and I don't care how good the latency is, it won't be better than a native console either.

It's a good idea, but it's a pipedream that this thing will work at this time in 4k for anyone but a handful of people if you look at it globally.
720p, sure. 1080p possibly, but they will need a decent upload speed/latency as well for responsive controls. I am sure it will work well in a controlled environment or if you can get+pay for very good internet, but a lot of places in the world (including the US as far as I understand it), don't have that luxury.

Saying that people need to move to be able to use that thing is ridiculous. If Google didn't realise that the majority of people in the world don't have good enough internet to stream games in decent quality, they didn't do their job correctly. They said themselves something like: We don't believe people have to adapt to technology, but technology has to adapt to people.

People having to move to make this technology work isn't them adapting to people, it's completely the opposite of what they were saying.

I suspect it's a bit early for this. Let's hope it will be decent enough quality for the majority of people so people don't burn out of streaming games because I do believe this can be the future for less demanding people. I do believe that Xbox's idea is good and (depending how they implement payment) Google's idea can work for people who casually want to play a game. But thinking that you will get ultimate quality for billions of people at the end of the year is somewhat optimistic.

I do believe it can be part of the future. I do believe it can be successful in the end and Google won't get burned trying this (as long as they keep it online long enough for people to use it), but at the moment it will only be viable with a decent resolution/quality for the happy few.
Straight from the horses mouth:

  • What internet speed do you need to run Stadia? “We were able to test a lot of this with our Project Stream test late last year, starting back in October. To get 1080p, 60 frames per second, required approximately 25 megabits per second. In fact, we use less than that, but that’s where we put our recommended limit at. But with innovations that we’ve made on the streamer side and on the compression side since then, when we launch, we will be able to get to 4K but only raise that bandwidth to about 30 megabits per second. So if you have less bandwidth, we’ll give you a lower resolution… We do a lot of that for you in the background, and we will only offer up the appropriate bandwidth for the infrastructure that you have.”
https://kotaku.com/google-stadia-boss-answers-and-dodges-our-questions-1833422137/amp

I dont know how many people in the world have 25 mbps internet but I imagine it's a very large number.
 
Oct 27, 2017
201
Wait, people wanted an apology for the Stadia coverage? The conference was terrible, and I was extremely disappointed. I'm sure I'll try Stadia down the line and it might be amazing, but they didn't sell it well for a first showing. People have to accept that the Allies aren't going to always be in line with your views, positive OR negative, nor would I ever want them to be. For example, I don't particularly love Resident Evil, but I can't help but love their reactions to the Resident Evil 7 and RE2 remake reveals at E3.
 
If you want to focus on a presentation, you don't watch a stream of people watching and commenting on it, it's as simple as that.

Ridiculous they were put in the position of having to apologise for them doing what people pay them to do - comment on the games industry.

If they were lying or being rude I could understand but everything they said was fair and explained well.
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Loved the bonus dancing at the end of the stream today, lol.

I can't believe there are Google fanboys (well in reality I guess I can....), Google has stopped following their old mantra of don't be evil like 5-10 years ago or so... Only reason I use Android is I hate how much Apple locks down their phones and jailbreaking can't be relied upon. I use google search because other search engines suck but I don't pretend that Google isn't spying on everything to try to market it, and I hate that whenever they try a new product they often half-ass it and then jettison it a year later (or sometimes months) when it didn't meet sales expectations.

EZA should be themselves and not try for fake reactions or walk on eggshells because they don't want to upset fanboys.

The Allies reaction to the Google conference was the exact same as mine. (2)
 
I'm just livin' in the era bubble i guess

I was criticizing the conference and the product, even more than the Easy Allies in a Brazilian gaming forum. I was cursed, treated like crazy,they said that i was having mental problems behind a keyboard. They said I should not have a family, among other things. It was shocking, but it was also good to confirm how the movie Matrix remains one of the best of all time.

For sure Googlers are toxic like Applefans.
 
Oct 25, 2017
802
DFW
Was anybody actually asking for or demanding an apology? Some people didn't like the vibes and they expressed as much, it doesn't have to be a 3 page long discussion/argument. Literally no one (at least here or in the eza era discord) thinks its wrong to say bad things about Google or Stadia.
 
Oct 29, 2017
981
Belgium
Straight from the horses mouth:

  • What internet speed do you need to run Stadia? “We were able to test a lot of this with our Project Stream test late last year, starting back in October. To get 1080p, 60 frames per second, required approximately 25 megabits per second. In fact, we use less than that, but that’s where we put our recommended limit at. But with innovations that we’ve made on the streamer side and on the compression side since then, when we launch, we will be able to get to 4K but only raise that bandwidth to about 30 megabits per second. So if you have less bandwidth, we’ll give you a lower resolution… We do a lot of that for you in the background, and we will only offer up the appropriate bandwidth for the infrastructure that you have.”
https://kotaku.com/google-stadia-boss-answers-and-dodges-our-questions-1833422137/amp

I dont know how many people in the world have 25 mbps internet but I imagine it's a very large number.
I think you extremely overestimate the internet speeds of most countries/places in the world (and how wealthy the majority of people in the world are). A lot of people in richer countries will probably have those internet speeds. Others, not so much.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Internet_connection_speeds

Those are average speeds. Most countries don't even hit 25 Mbps on average. Hell, the US barely gets 25 Mbps.
Like I said before. Those speeds are for the happy few, if you have enough money to pay for the connection and if you can get that kind of internet connection where you live.

Again, I do believe it will work when it launches. But not for the billions of people they are claiming.

A lot also depends on who else is using that internet connection and how well the internet provider handles the overbooking of the connections if applicable (for cable for example). Otherwise you can get slowdown on busy moments.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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I think you extremely overestimate the internet speeds of most countries/places in the world (and how wealthy the majority of people in the world is). A lot of people in richer countries will probably have those internet speeds. Others, not so much.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Internet_connection_speeds

Those are average speeds. Most countries don't even hit 25 Mbps on average. Hell, the US barely gets 25 Mbps.
Like I said before. Those speeds are for the happy few, if you have enough money to pay for the connection and if you can get that kind of internet connection where you live.

Again, I do believe it will work when it launches. But not for the billions of people they are claiming.

A lot also depends on who else is using that internet connection and how well the internet provider handles the overbooking of the connections if applicable (for cable for example). Otherwise you can get slowdown on busy moments.
Yeah, considering where they're launching, the US has an average of 25.86mbit, Canada 19.48 and UK 18.57.
 
Oct 29, 2017
1,855
Was anybody actually asking for or demanding an apology? Some people didn't like the vibes and they expressed as much, it doesn't have to be a 3 page long discussion/argument. Literally no one (at least here or in the eza era discord) thinks its wrong to say bad things about Google or Stadia.
I looked in this thread, on twitter, the subreddit and the comments on the YouTube video and I couldnt find a single person saying they should apologize.

That's outrage culture though. People literally inventing boogeymen to be mad at. Yet it's the Google fanboys we need to watch out for *eyeroll*


I think you extremely overestimate the internet speeds of most countries/places in the world (and how wealthy the majority of people in the world is). A lot of people in richer countries will probably have those internet speeds. Others, not so much.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Internet_connection_speeds

Those are average speeds. Most countries don't even hit 25 Mbps on average. Hell, the US barely gets 25 Mbps.
Like I said before. Those speeds are for the happy few, if you have enough money to pay for the connection and if you can get that kind of internet connection where you live.

Again, I do believe it will work when it launches. But not for the billions of people they are claiming.

A lot also depends on who else is using that internet connection and how well the internet provider handles the overbooking of the connections if applicable (for cable for example). Otherwise you can get slowdown on busy moments.
I agree that's it's very unlikely there are 2 billion plus people in the world with 25 mbps internet but in the #future who knows what's going to happen lol.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I think you extremely overestimate the internet speeds of most countries/places in the world (and how wealthy the majority of people in the world are). A lot of people in richer countries will probably have those internet speeds. Others, not so much.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Internet_connection_speeds

Those are average speeds. Most countries don't even hit 25 Mbps on average. Hell, the US barely gets 25 Mbps.
Like I said before. Those speeds are for the happy few, if you have enough money to pay for the connection and if you can get that kind of internet connection where you live.

Again, I do believe it will work when it launches. But not for the billions of people they are claiming.

A lot also depends on who else is using that internet connection and how well the internet provider handles the overbooking of the connections if applicable (for cable for example). Otherwise you can get slowdown on busy moments.
My internet speed jumped from 100 to 350 Mbps this year. It costs 9,90€ (~11$) per month. This is offered to everyone in our apartment house. That data is not very current. Still, I think the lag will fuck up the whole idea.
 
Oct 29, 2017
981
Belgium
My internet speed jumped from 100 to 350 Mbps this year. It costs 9,90€ (~11$) per month. This is offered to everyone in our apartment house. That data is not very current. Still, I think the lag will fuck up the whole idea.
I know it isn't the most current data, but I can assure you that there are a lot of people who don't have the money to pay for the fastest kind of internet.

It also depends on the country/place you live in. To get 200+ Mbps (or 100 for DSL) internet we have to pay +- 100 euro as it's coupled with TV and other stuff and because we have a duo-poly and nobody does anything about it (one providers owns Cable and one owns DSL and while they have to let others use their network, they charge heavily for it). My provider is a smaller provider with a good price and I think we pay about 40 euro for 100/35. From what I have heard, there is no way you can get those speeds for even 15$ in the US.

Fiber isn't available in most places and is about 40 to 60 euro (probably more for one of the 2 duo-polists) the last time I checked with worse upload speeds than I have now.

You are very lucky for those speeds for that price. I can assure you that there aren't a lot of places in the world where you can get that.
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,348
Download speed is one problem, but the thing I worry about (or would worry about if I was a believer in cloud gaming) is jitter.

It's an issue on the lan side, since wifi connections are terrible for real time performance -- at least with current standards -- and you have to pay a constant time ping penalty unless the server is on your local network (so something like steam link should reliably perform better, all things equal).

And it's an issue on the Wan side, since isps don't like to talk about latency and jitter stats (and therefore you get saddled with flaky Internet, particularly if it's not a business line), just theoretical max throughput. 500 mbps != 500 mbps, because that's only one of the parameters.