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Easy Allies |OT2| Love & Reset
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True true. They've earned the privilege of choosing to only do the things they want to do, and if they don't think State of Play is worth their time, then so be it. That's the risk they run and if they're comfortable with that, then ok.
Im pretty sure they're going to do it since 1.this could be Sony E3, 2.New game, and 3.Possibly FF7r or Deep Down re-reveal. Its too big to pass even if its 10min. Also if 10min too short they can watch the 15min Japanese one after to have a full in depth post discussion.
One thing I've tried to stop doing recently is suggesting that the Allies do something that I want them to produce for my own entertainment, and then trying to justify it with business reasons. I just find that it always comes across as disingenuous (probably because it kind of is).
So yeah, embrace your feelings, stop trying to justify them needlessly! Although that doesn't mean you have to not think it's justified from a business sense, just that an emotionally fuelled request comes off better when it's clear it's emotionally fuelled.
I'd really like to see a State of Play reaction just because I think it will be a good time! :)
So yeah, embrace your feelings, stop trying to justify them needlessly! Although that doesn't mean you have to not think it's justified from a business sense, just that an emotionally fuelled request comes off better when it's clear it's emotionally fuelled.
I'd really like to see a State of Play reaction just because I think it will be a good time! :)
That's not how things work at all. Sony is funding and publishing Wild, so it's a first party game, just like Spider-Man, Bloodborne and all their other externally developed first party games. Read this thread:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/1s...en-publishing-relationships-and-games.115462/
I guess, that's a weird way of thinking about it but if that's the general consensus then far be it from me to say otherwise.
It isn't weird at all. From an industry perspective, why would Sony treat their externally developed games any differently than their internal ones? Both are part of Sony's budget, both have Sony producers, Sony's marketing team, etc work on them, both receive development support from Sony and so on.
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There is also a monster hunter thing going on that day if state of play alone isn't worth it.
Happy they got the studio and all but we're a couple months in and as a far more casual watcher than I used to be(mostly streams have become way less interesting, most recent HoG was great but outside of that the most noteworthy thing for me was that Damiani has improved a ton at streaming to an audience tuning into some of his sekiro streams from the days of when EZA starting) and current 1 dollar patron from previously 5-7 it doesn't really feel like a big benefit so far.
It sucks because I know there has been a lot of stuff coinciding around the studio move that was out of their control like the sickness hitting everyone at the same time and Ian being out. I think it was brought up in Cup of Jones as well that there exist a patron sentiment in where most of the studio value is kind of behind the scenes and Jones was thinking about how they could maybe communicate that stuff better.
And honestly my take here is I would just really like more casual duo/trio whatever streams like the recent fortnite one with Huber and Damiani. Especially thinking back to the times of Gundam streams I just don't feel like I find many reasons to get exposed to the studio space outside of group streams(and honestly those have not been interesting to me at all outside HoG). I'm probably not doing a good job really expressing this weird subjective feeling I have about why I'm feeling a little underwhelmed. I will say though Mysterious Monsters was probably my favorite thing we got since the change.
I will say that it's EZ to like Anime and GoT Discussion which are somewhat recent helped although the former has been hampered by a rocky launch(very inconsistent air times). Also Jones is starting to stream again with Dreams I guess. So maybe we're at the actual turnaround anyway.
Happy they got the studio and all but we're a couple months in and as a far more casual watcher than I used to be(mostly streams have become way less interesting, most recent HoG was great but outside of that the most noteworthy thing for me was that Damiani has improved a ton at streaming to an audience tuning into some of his sekiro streams from the days of when EZA starting) and current 1 dollar patron from previously 5-7 it doesn't really feel like a big benefit so far.
It sucks because I know there has been a lot of stuff coinciding around the studio move that was out of their control like the sickness hitting everyone at the same time and Ian being out. I think it was brought up in Cup of Jones as well that there exist a patron sentiment in where most of the studio value is kind of behind the scenes and Jones was thinking about how they could maybe communicate that stuff better.
And honestly my take here is I would just really like more casual duo/trio whatever streams like the recent fortnite one with Huber and Damiani. Especially thinking back to the times of Gundam streams I just don't feel like I find many reasons to get exposed to the studio space outside of group streams(and honestly those have not been interesting to me at all outside HoG). I'm probably not doing a good job really expressing this weird subjective feeling I have about why I'm feeling a little underwhelmed. I will say though Mysterious Monsters was probably my favorite thing we got since the change.
I will say that it's EZ to like Anime and GoT Discussion which are somewhat recent helped although the former has been hampered by a rocky launch(very inconsistent air times). Also Jones is starting to stream again with Dreams I guess. So maybe we're at the actual turnaround anyway.
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I think people mistake firsty party games with first party studios. Wild is a first party game developed by a third party studio. So if we are talking about exclusives, its fair to say Wild is first party.
I make a drawing and sell it. It's my drawing.
I pay my friend to make a drawing and I sell it. I also help him pick out what kind of pencils to use. How is that drawing mine?
Sony if effectively commissioning the games and selling them for a profit. They are basically an art vendor. I would consider that to be a third party relationship.
Because without me, that person is not allowed to sell that drawing, or use it in any way.
In another example, if you pay a company to renovate your bathroom, that doesn't mean they own your bathroom. They can take credit for the work, but I own my bathroom.
Maybe Hoeg can help us out on this. The way I see it, that is a 3rd party development relationship, however Sony likely holds the IP/publishing rights for the game, so it's their product and they have the sole distribution rights to it, hence it's a first party game. Insomniac doesn't get to choose what happens to it since they don't own the rights to it. If Insomniac had the IP rights and just chose to release it exclusively on PS4 (with or without an exclusivity deal), then it would be a 3rd party game.
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EDIT2: It's essentially this I think? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_developer#Second-party_developer
Rare's Donkey Kong Country games probably fall under the same umbrella.
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No offence but that comparison doesn't make any sense. We're not talking about a drawing, we're talking about software. Sony isn't selling the code, assets, etc in their games, they still own those. They're selling players a license to play a compiled copy of them.
You can consider the relationship between Sony and Insomniac to be third party, that's fine, Insomniac is a third party developer. But when Insomniac makes a game with Sony's money and Sony publishes it, it's a first party game.
Here's a list of externally developed first party games: Pokemon, Goldeneye, Banjo Kazooie, Gears of War, Kirby, Smash Bros, Crash Bandicoot 1-3, Bloodborne, Spider-Man, Ratchet & Clank, Forza Horizon and LittleBigPlanet. Are you really going to tell me those are/were all third party games?
I mean, there isn't really any need for help, these are well defined industry terms that have been around for a long time and an internet debate isn't going to change that. The way you see it is right.
Thanks, that was helpful.
This attitude isnt. I wasnt debating anything. I immediately said that you were right when you questioned me on it and only exponded on my thoughts when you asked me for them. Chill.
Second party is a weird kind of made-up term that we used to describe Nintendo's relationships with developers like Rare and Silicon Knights. They were partially owned by Nintendo, and worked in close relationship with them, but still had some degree of independence. Nintendo actually still owned a portion of SK for some years after they stopped making games together. If you look through Nintendo's financial statements, there are probably still a few companies out there that fit that description.
In contrast, Retro Studios is fully owned by Nintendo, so it's completely first party. Meanwhile a company like Platinum Games is third party but has an exclusive agreement with Nintendo to publish titles like Bayonetta 2 and Astral Chain as first party games.
In contrast, Retro Studios is fully owned by Nintendo, so it's completely first party. Meanwhile a company like Platinum Games is third party but has an exclusive agreement with Nintendo to publish titles like Bayonetta 2 and Astral Chain as first party games.
I will say I miss the random game streams from the studio with a couple of allies like they were doing for the first month or two. I remember thinking, "okay, NOW I get why the studio was such a good investment." And while I still think that, the random game streams have basically completely stopped.
That part wasn't aimed at you, it's a debate that happens all the time (mostly for console/list wars purposes, which is why I don't have much patience for it) and I didn't think we needed to waste Hoeg's time on it. The thread I posted earlier is a decent enough reference point.
Yup. I guess people get too hung up on the studio's status and assume that carries over to the games.
HAL Laboratory, GameFreak, Intelligent Systems are all independent
I'd be hard pressed to find someone that thinks Kirby, Fire Emblem or Pokemon aren't first party games.
So... yeah, Spider-man is first party.
You can only be 3 things really.
1. FF7r
2. Avengers
3. Babylon Falls
Babylon Falls is supposed to release this year.
You're setting yourself up for disappointment imo, but ok, I guess it's possible.
I do believe it will have better games compared to last time, but I'm not convinced it necessarily will be the holy grail either.
I'm not saying it won't be, but it can be anything between the one from last time and the best thing ever.
Yeahhh, this was my number one most wanted thing from the studio and the first month or so was awesome. Just kinda stopped though sadly.
Ben and Huber are in for an 8 hour borderlands 3 stream though ;)
Avengers is a Square Enix Europe project, not Japan, so we can rule that out. Babylon Falls is a possibility, as I'm not sure what division Hashimoto's involved with since he moved into his new role, but it doesn't fit Zhuge's tease. So FFVIIR confirmed!
Failing that, I'd be cool with a PS4 port of FFVIII.
Nice. Though there's three hours between the GR announcement and SoP, so covering that live would be a little nuts.
I could see him filling some time with some Battle Royale, or Ghost Recon if an update is shadowdropped. Just have a fun studio day.
Shame I've been summoned to work away from home Friday morning. Will miss SoP.
Battle Royale might not be a dumb idea, the new Fortnite season begins the same day after all.
Man pre E3 time really snuck up on me.
Only about a month left. I feel like we are missing some juicy leaks though.
I do hope the allies make an reaction Video to the upcoming state of play but won't be disappointed if they don't.
I will miss the sony press conference reactions this year though.
I found the allies through their GT 2015 video that I first saw about 2 years ago, have been an avid fan since then.
They work best as a group for me, their chemistry is just great.
Only about a month left. I feel like we are missing some juicy leaks though.
I do hope the allies make an reaction Video to the upcoming state of play but won't be disappointed if they don't.
I will miss the sony press conference reactions this year though.
I found the allies through their GT 2015 video that I first saw about 2 years ago, have been an avid fan since then.
They work best as a group for me, their chemistry is just great.
I'm in for all of them as always. Hell, I'd even watch a Quantic Dream conference. Honest to god, David Cage for an hour.
No, that is based off of people misreading their operating income target. It's for the entire fiscal year, not Q3.
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Oh, I watch them all, but those are the only two I'm going to be really interested in and will watch alone first before I watch them with the Allies. I don't care as much about the other ones and will only watch them with EZA commentary.
Listening to the bombast and gerstmann half joking mentioned wanting to start there own videogame hall of fame. Eza getting ripped off again! jk.
Lol, straight from the horses mouth.
I asked about it in chat last night and kristen said that it was just a normal sponsorship situation but it's so weird to me, there has to be some back door shady deals. Does uniqlo advertise on other podcasts that I'm just not aware of?
Lol, straight from the horses mouth.
I asked about it in chat last night and kristen said that it was just a normal sponsorship situation but it's so weird to me, there has to be some back door shady deals. Does uniqlo advertise on other podcasts that I'm just not aware of?
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