Time for a bonus episode? (Only if you want to)
damn lol
Hearing Ian talk about Weird Fiction makes me wish I didn't wimp out of recommending Web Comics during my Podcast Halftime. I think Ian might have liked Kill 6 Billion Demons.
Their messaging through Kickstarter did promise Steam keys on multiple occasions though. A year ago their email stated (the mail is from June 28th 2018, Project Update #84):
System Requirements for PC Version
Additional Info: Requires Steam Client to activate.
That wasn't the first time they clearly stated Steam in their emails. I just searched for an instance that I could quickly find, but they stated that multiple times including in the poll for the rewards. But while I don't think it's a consumer-friendly thing to do and I completely understand why some people are pissed off about this, I do understand the reasoning from a dev standpoint as well (especially a dev were money is clearly a problem).Sure, THREE YEARS after the Kickstarter. And circumstances change. The game has also been delayed multiple times. If you don't trust a dev to choose what's best for the project, don't back games. I don't begrudge any developer for reacting to changes in the market landscape.
The time is not soon enough.LOL I literally came into the thread just now to ask when it will be time for Ian and Don to hit the beach again.
Can't wait for next week's bet results, should be a good one. Good old Bosman.
Taking a deal at the detriment of your backers is not the same as reacting to market changes. That's ungrateful and selfish. Dunno what the statement "if you don't trust a dev" is about. Clearly people trusted Suzuki and that trust has been broken now for some. Hence the clearly understandable backlash. Dunno why that's a hard concept to grasp. These people won't indeed trust Suzuki again and will likely as you say not back the games in the future.Sure, THREE YEARS after the Kickstarter. And circumstances change. The game has also been delayed multiple times. If you don't trust a dev to choose what's best for the project, don't back games. I don't begrudge any developer for reacting to changes in the market landscape.
Are they not doing an ez to like anime for the final one-punch man episode?
Ohh right, they didn't, did they?
I would guess that they might wait on Huber to get back and then finish it. It would be nice to get Bosman also since he watched the entire series as well.
Taking a deal at the detriment of your backers is not the same as reacting to market changes.
I would argue that the change does not rise to the level of a "detriment". And on balance with ensuring the health and quality of the game, these deals are probably more often boons to the backers irrespective of their negative reactions. It could easily be the difference between getting Shenmue 4 and not getting Shenmue 4.
I get you, but it's not for you to decide what other people do or do not find a "detriment".I would argue that the change does not rise to the level of a "detriment". And on balance with ensuring the health and quality of the game, these deals are probably more often boons to the backers irrespective of their negative reactions. It could easily be the difference between getting Shenmue 4 and not getting Shenmue 4.
I mean others already answered you with essentially what I would say.I would argue that the change does not rise to the level of a "detriment". And on balance with ensuring the health and quality of the game, these deals are probably more often boons to the backers irrespective of their negative reactions. It could easily be the difference between getting Shenmue 4 and not getting Shenmue 4.
Not my intention to put pressure, there should be none, by have they said if Huber and Jones will be able to attend easy livin'?
Jones mentioned on Cup of Jones that Huber would like to be there for it and is going to try to make it.Not my intention to put pressure, there should be none, but have they said if Huber and Jones will be able to attend easy livin'?
I mean others already answered you with essentially what I would say.
But I hope you realize there isn't really much to argue given that the detriment objectively occurred for some backers. Something was undeniably taken away and absolutely nothing concrete was communicated to the backers that would be an appropriate compensation for what was lost.
You make the assumption that the EGS deal was needed to finish this game. I am not convinced that's true. Metro Exodus didn't need that money as it was decided weeks before release, so the game was already done by that time. It's just Deep Silver who wants to make more money, they had more than enough to publish Shenmue 3.The "detriment" in this case is not getting it on a platform they were never promised they were getting it on at the time they backed. Nothing about the initial agreement was violated (setting aside the physical PC version which I agree is bad). I understand expectations may fluctuate based on later communications, but no one can claim they were sold a bill of goods based on the original Kickstarter. It's petty and infantile for these people to act like getting Shenmue 3 on Steam was more important that getting it at all 4 years down the line. But given how all the EGS threads go in this forum, it's hard to tell who is actually a mad Shenmue 3 backer, and who is just mad on behalf of theoretical Shenmue 3 backers/Chinese Linux Users/Russians trapped by a predatory payment service.
Also, I would say that calling someone with a different opinion to your own petty and infantile is not really a mature thing to do either. The pot is calling the kettle black. It honestly seems to me that you get more worked up over this whole thing than 99% of the backers that are complaining.
I know it's not easy too look at other people's opinions if they are different from your own, but it's probably a good skill to learn.
Thanks. Good to know there's a chance.Jones mentioned on Cup of Jones that Huber would like to be there for it and is going to try to make it.
I haven't seen a lot of these threads as I don't care enough to lose my sleep over this whole thing (and I'm glad I haven't as this discussion is honestly somewhat destroying this thread as is, I am part to blame as well obviously). I honestly think that calling people names makes it more likely for other people call you names back. Nobody did that in here as far as I know and it's a bit weird that you started calling people names because you don't like being called names. I usually don't really care what people say or think about me, but my opinion is that you can't complain that people do the same thing to you as you do to others.I'm not really interested in a lecture in being human from you. I don't think it's controversial to call the people throwing tantrums all over the internet over the tiniest slights infantile. That's people reaping what they sow with their caustic behavior. It's not a situation you can "both-sides". Some responses are simply not rational, despite the endless effort to rationalize them. The reality is you can't suggest that Epic isn't a lying, anti-consumer villain in an EGS thread on this forum without getting mass reported to mods for "shit-posting", getting called a "corporate bootlicker" and being compared to Ben Shapiro. Maybe you just haven't been exposed to as much of these threads as I have, but it's well beyond agree to disagree territory.
Oh, you're here too. Fuck.Sure, THREE YEARS after the Kickstarter. And circumstances change. The game has also been delayed multiple times. If you don't trust a dev to choose what's best for the project, don't back games. I don't begrudge any developer for reacting to changes in the market landscape.
I haven't seen a lot of these threads as I don't care enough to lose my sleep over this whole thing (and I'm glad I haven't as this discussion is honestly somewhat destroying this thread as is, I am part to blame as well obviously). I honestly think that the ability to not call people names makes other people call you names back. Nobody did that in here as far as I know and it's a bit weird that you started calling people names because you don't like being called names. I usually don't really care what people say or think about me, but my opinion is that you can't complain that people do the same thing to you as you do to others.
You say that I insult you maturity, which is 100% what you did before I said anything to you about this:Have you not recognized the irony in your advice to not diminish other people's opinion as you simultaneously insult my maturity, imply that I am also petty and infantile, attempt to assume the moral high ground and repeatedly suggest that I am getting too "worked up"?
Personally, I think the greater danger is in pretending we can't call something what it is for fear of god knows what. It's how we get Nazis walking around again like that's an OK thing, let police off the hook for murdering black children and allow rape to be reframed as "sexual misconduct". But I digress...
You should also note that I never actually called anyone any names. I simply described a behavior.
But I guess I did do the same thing you did without realizing it. I never wanted to diminish your opinion and I don't think I ever have, but if I did, I apologize (I do agree that I insulted your maturity, I still believe that you can't complain about people doing the same thing you do to them).It's petty and infantile for these people to act like getting Shenmue 3 on Steam was more important that getting it at all 4 years down the line.
I think it's probably best to keep these discussion to a separate thread as it's really killing the mood and vibe in here.
I know, I'm sorry. I'll try to not respond any more.
Love & Reset? Love and Respect(L&R) is their motto, and this is Resetera. Reset is similar to respect. Bam, we have a pun.
Love & Reset? Love and Respect(L&R) is their motto, and this is Resetera. Reset is similar to respect. Bam, we have a pun.
My dude it was in the surveys to pretend that is not bait and switch is pretty disingenuous. Kickstarter is about having a good faith relationship. If you want to insist on the letter we can just put the whole kickstarter in the trash for not fulfilling the 100 buck reward.The "detriment" in this case is not getting it on a platform they were never promised they were getting it on at the time they backed. Nothing about the initial agreement was violated (setting aside the physical PC version which I agree is bad). I understand expectations may fluctuate based on later communications, but no one can claim they were sold a bill of goods based on the original Kickstarter. It's petty and infantile for these people to act like getting Shenmue 3 on Steam was more important that getting it at all 4 years down the line. But given how all the EGS threads go in this forum, it's hard to tell who is actually a mad Shenmue 3 backer, and who is just mad on behalf of theoretical Shenmue 3 backers/Chinese Linux Users/Russians trapped by a predatory payment service.