EDGE #319 Review Scores

Blade Wolf · Apr 21, 2018

Respect their opinion but having Dark Souls Remastered on the cover is just sad, since it is without a doubt one of the worst remaster this gen and actually look much worse than the original game. It's a fucking disaster.

Even a mega Dark Souls 1 fan like me couldn't be bothered with this horrible abomination. It's straight up sacrilege to me.

Just what the fuck is this shit? It would be literally so much better if you just don't touch anything in the game and simply up the resolution & frame rate since all you do is ruining the art direction and atmosphere for no good reason.

#NotMyDarkSouls

Nathan.exe · Apr 21, 2018

Spades said:
I can only imagine the comments that are coming!

;)

Revolsin · Apr 21, 2018

Reminder that EDGE gave Kirby a 7 last month, exactly in line with metacritic.

Nintendo bias proven?

Decarb · Apr 21, 2018

Eolz said:
edit: he's the EDGE editor

Which makes SoT pretty damn close to a pretty good game. If EDGE says it then it must be true.

Sedated · Apr 21, 2018

Fredrik said:
I've been reading through the posts here trying to figure out what's the deal, and that's it? 12 (edit: 14) pages because GoW might go from 95 to 94 on metacritic?

Ughh first off what phantom said is not true(edge having most weightage part). Secondly ye people worrying about gow score plus far cry 5 getting a 6 which people think is too low and sot getting a 7 which people think is too high. Perfect recipe for a good long thread.

aSqueakyLime · Apr 21, 2018

Guys obviously EDGE thought Bloodborne and TLOU were Nintendo games, hence the 10s. Duh.

truly101 · Apr 21, 2018

jett said:
The babies come out regardless of who's behind the reviews.

Remember this community going insane over Eurogamer giving Uncharted 3 an 8/10? UC3, which turned out to be a wholly mediocre experience.

And thats the thing, after a game has been out for a while, those scores end up being justified to a degree that even if you don't agree, you can at least see where the reviewer arrived at the score.
At the heart of it is just more system warz, list warz bullshit, and the curtain gets pulled back on the people that attach feelings of inadequacy, righteous indignation and tribalism to products. Fanboys are stupid and petty.

UltraGashInferno · Apr 21, 2018

Bumhead said:
Yep you're both absolutely right. There are some laughable manchildren within this community.

I remember the uproar about Uncharted 3, then playing it and thinking an 8 was wildly exaggerated.

And then this shit happened:

https://kotaku.com/5861714/fans-helping-fix-uncharted-3s-terrible-aim

Protome · Apr 21, 2018

Decarb said:
Which makes SoT pretty damn close to a pretty good game. If EDGE says it then it must be true.

I think "Close to a good game" would basically sum up my feelings on SoT tbh.

Coldman · Apr 21, 2018

small brain: God of War isn't an 8 OMFG!!!!!!

normal brain: huh that Minit score is a surprise

galaxy brain: SCRIBBLENAUTS SHOWDOWN GOTY

nib95 · Apr 21, 2018

TechnicPuppet said:
The SOT score does not differ widely from the general consensus FFS.

Context. I think some people are a bit surprised because in that list of scores you have reviews for big games that are notably below the general consensus, and then you have Sea of Thieves which is ever so slightly above the consensus. It's a little surprising, especially for Sea of Thieves of all games. Then again, it was their cover story last issue, plus Rare is a British developer, hence the predictions early on that they might not be as harsh.

jett · Apr 21, 2018

truly101 said:
And thats the thing, after a game has been out for a while, those scores end up being justified to a degree that even if you don't agree, you can at least see where the reviewer arrived at the score.
At the heart of it is just more system warz, list warz bullshit, and the curtain gets pulled back on the people that attach feelings of inadequacy, righteous indignation and tribalism to products. Fanboys are stupid and petty.

No lies detected.

Jonnykong · Apr 21, 2018

Jawbreaker said:
I think the score I've had the biggest issue with when it comes to Edge is Hellblade. They somehow completely missed the game's intention regarding mental health issues and claimed the devs fumbled in that respect. It was kind of embarrassing, honestly.

I don't agree with this as I found the actual gameplay horrendously dull, and this shouldn't be ignored just because the game is brave enough to deal with mental health issues.

ShinUltramanJ · Apr 21, 2018

It's Edge, so no surprise there. An 8 is like getting a 10 elsewhere.

nekkid · Apr 21, 2018

Was there a thread losing its shit that Eurogamer called both SoT and God of War "Recommended"?

Or doesn't that matter because no numbers?

Courage · Apr 21, 2018

Jawbreaker said:
I think the score I've had the biggest issue with when it comes to Edge is Hellblade. They somehow completely missed the game's intention regarding mental health issues and claimed the devs fumbled in that respect. It was kind of embarrassing, honestly.

How is it embarrassing? I thought their review was spot on, since they talk about how the game isn't in any way compelling to play while also respecting what the game is trying to do.

TechnicPuppet · Apr 21, 2018

nib95 said:
Context. I think some people are a bit surprised because in that list of scores you have reviews for big games that are notably below the general consensus, and then you have Sea of Thieves which is ever so slightly above the consensus. It's a little surprising, especially for Sea of Thieves of all games. Then again, it was their cover story last issue, plus Rare is a British developer, hence the predictions early on that they might not be as harsh.

So it's a big conspiracy by Edge against God of War. Gotcha.

~Fake · Apr 21, 2018

After read tons of people defending this scores I must say I really dissapointed. Here its not different from neogaf I must say.
People like 'respect their opinion', but ignore everythink else... They can speak many many times about that god of war score (I expected 9, but 8 its a 'fair' score for a superb game), but that Far Cry 5 score its ridiculus and people still defend this? I mean, serious?
Now people defending the game getting warn, and people insulting fans like no end.
This is really a Edge thread after all.

Deleted member 2793 · Apr 21, 2018

Vishmarx said:
and i already said that's an unacceptable argument. its edge who have earned the merit and attention from people. if they cant stay consistent then their scores hold no merit.
its not that hard to give bad or good scores to any game at all .
you cant go" 9/10 one of the best games ever" and then give its sequel a 6 saying" whoop different reviewer deal with it" when it does most of the exact same things, which for the record isnt in their list of criticisms. that's just confusing, not harsh.

Oh yeah, can't forget that time Aristotle said "criticals shall make their opinions stay in line with what other people said before" and this is known as a staple for criticism since then.

But no, seriously... What is this post? God.
Literally no critic in any media will ever do this. You don't look at old scores by different people to base your critic or score. You are judging it for yourself.

~Fake said:
After read tons of people defending this scores I must say I really dissapointed. Here its not different from neogaf I must say.
People like 'respect their opinion', but ignore everythink else... They can speak many many times about that god of war score (I expected 9, but 8 its a 'fair' score for a superb game), but that Far Cry 5 score its ridiculus and people still defend this? I mean, serious?
Now people defending the game getting warn, and people insulting fans like no end.
This is really a Edge thread after all.

Did you read the review?

2112 · Apr 21, 2018

nekkid said:
Was there a thread losing its shit that Eurogamer called both SoT and God of War "Recommended"?

Or doesn't that matter because no numbers?

It's all about the numbers.

~Fake said:
After read tons of people defending this scores I must say I really dissapointed. Here its not different from neogaf I must say.
People like 'respect their opinion', but ignore everythink else... They can speak many many times about that god of war score (I expected 9, but 8 its a 'fair' score for a superb game), but that Far Cry 5 score its ridiculus and people still defend this? I mean, serious?
Now people defending the game getting warn, and people insulting fans like no end.
This is really a Edge thread after all.

Yea I'll defend the reviewers right to score the game how they want lmao.

faint · Apr 21, 2018

This reminds me of the meltdowns that occurred when Jim gave BotW a 7.

Vishmarx · Apr 21, 2018

Protome said:
You're literally telling people to make shit up because you're suggesting that if a game gets a good review and another reviewer gives the sequel a lesser score they should lie about it and give it a higher score anyway. Because if they don't in your eyes it's a "useless" review.

Again no im not
Im saying explain why the last game was a 9 and what makes this a 6 IN COMPARISON TO THAT. Not make the 6 a 9 because the last one was too. If youre dropping the score so much for a mostly identical game then context must be brought forward directly in comparison.
My solution is for them to dedicate a para on why theres such a downgrade over fc 4 other than just whoop shit im a different person.
Im not arguing about any score in particular, im not surprised by the 8 gow got nor am i surprised by the sot score.
My take on them has always been that they prefer games with that put their gameplay mechanics over everything else and their biases only extend to that bit. not to nintendo or european devs.

But nobody owes them this understanding and when they give out snobby tweets insinuating that everyone puzzled over their 1 point gap between gow and sot which has a 35 or so point gap on mc is an idiot , thats when they come off as overly pretentious and not deserving of the merit. I mean, just be mature and explain yourself in 3 or 4 lines if internet buffoonery is bothering you instead of reciprocating that.

Fredrik · Apr 21, 2018

Jawbreaker said:
I think the score I've had the biggest issue with when it comes to Edge is Hellblade. They somehow completely missed the game's intention regarding mental health issues and claimed the devs fumbled in that respect. It was kind of embarrassing, honestly.

What were their score for Hellblade?
I'm playing through it now, Xbox One X enhanced, I would gladly without hesitation give it 9/10 even as a 2018 release (I'm doing the challenges around the tree now).
I'm legit shocked at how great it is considering their budget and all that, might become my Xbox game of the year unless something better comes out later. The sound alone is worth 10/10, I haven't got this nervous from listening to a game since Silent Hill 2, which I had to stop playing because I was a nerve wreck after each play session lol

Deleted member 4353 · Apr 21, 2018

The moment I saw this topic had more than 10 pages, I knew what it was gonna be about

weltalldx · Apr 21, 2018

I think Edge is one of the last non-bias/non-compromised review outlets remaining. Their reviews usually withstand the test of time and often offer great foresight and hindsight once the honeymoon period for a flavor of the moment hype dies off.

From what I see of the new God of War game, there are simply too much faults to warrant a score higher than 9.

Blade Wolf · Apr 21, 2018

aSqueakyLime said:
Guys obviously EDGE thought Bloodborne and TLOU were Nintendo games, hence the 10s. Duh.

lol

Seriously though, as much as I'm enjoying and loving GOW I wouldn't say 8/10 is a bad score, in the history of all video games ever made that might just be where it's at...I mean we are talking about comparing to timeless masterpiece like Half-Life 2, Deus Ex, System Shock 2, MGS3, Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, Shadow of the Colossus, half of the Zelda games, TLoU, Resident Evil Remake, Resident Evil 2, Silent Hill 2, Final Fantasy VII etc...

8/10 seems harsh but it's by no means OFF. If anything it should've been 8.5 or 9.

Still I am absolutely loving the game so far and I love just how much FromSoftware design is in this game. This might just be my favorite God Of War game.

~Fake · Apr 21, 2018

Heartskips said:
Did you read the review?

Do you read the Far Cry 4 review? You can do it right now.

Imitatio · Apr 21, 2018

nekkid said:
Or doesn't that matter because no numbers?

Seems like it.

Angie · Apr 21, 2018

faint said:
This reminds me of the meltdowns that occurred when Jim gave BotW a 7.

I don't think we are at that fase yet.
That meltdown manage to get classic status.

the_kaotek1 · Apr 21, 2018

I used to read Edge religiously, I still have issue 1 stored away somewhere. They have a history of under-scoring games (Goldeneye and GTA3 immediately spring to mind) and even had a retrospective covering the games that should have got tens but didn't for whatever reason.

Haven't read them for years but I imagine they have an uphill battle competing with online media these days.

nib95 · Apr 21, 2018

Decarb said:
Which makes SoT pretty damn close to a pretty good game. If EDGE says it then it must be true.

According to Edge's grading, SoT isn't just close to good, it's 'distinguished' and God of War isn't just very good, it's 'excellent'.

9 is 'astounding' and 10 is 'revolutionary'.

The issue with assigning such short descriptors to the numbers however is consistency with past reviews, eg of Edge's 10/10 reviews, I'm not sure many would refer to GTA IV, Bayonetta 2, Rock Band 3, Zelda Skyward Sword, Halo 3, Bloodborne etc as 'revolutionary'.

Jawbreaker · Apr 21, 2018

Jonnykong said:
I don't agree with this as I found the actual gameplay horrendously dull, and this shouldn't be ignored just because the game is brave enough to deal with mental health issues.

Courage said:
How is it embarrassing? I thought their review was spot on, since they talk about how the game isn't in any way compelling to play while also respecting what the game is trying to do.

"Ultimately what was intended as a thoughtful depiction of a terrible mental illness has ended up casting it as something of an asset: a helpful superpower that can give you the strength to soldier on through the darkness, so long as you can put up with the odd breakdown here and there. That, we suspect, was not what Ninja Theory intended. It's certainly not what we had hoped for. "

I'm sorry, but that's not what I got out of the game at all. I don't know how they arrived at this conclusion.

Fredrik said:
What were their score for Hellblade?
I'm playing through it now, Xbox One X enhanced, I would gladly without hesitation give it 9/10 even as a 2018 release (I'm doing the challenges around the tree now).
I'm legit shocked at how great it is considering their budget and all that, might become my Xbox game of the year unless something better comes out later. The sound alone is worth 10/10, I haven't got this nervous from listening to a game since Silent Hill 2, which I had to stop playing because I was a nerve wreck after each play session lol

4/10

Verdanth · Apr 21, 2018

All the drama here and I am like: where's Yakuza 6 review?

That my friends its Edge's true crime.

ApeEscaper · Apr 21, 2018

Secretofmateria said:
Because the reviewers felt differently about those games than you did? Not really seeing a problem

Sea of Thieves higher score than Far Cry 5 nah fam doesn't matter about 'different reviewers' EDGE always do fuckery with this guess that's how they stand out and sell their magazines and shit

Dark Cloud · Apr 21, 2018

nib95 said:
According to Edge's grading, SoT isn't just close to good, it's 'distinguished' and God of War isn't just very good, it's 'excellent'.

9 is 'astounding' and 10 is 'revolutionary'.

The issue with assigning such short descriptors to the numbers however is consistency with past reviews, eg of Edge's 10/10 reviews, I'm not sure many would refer to GTA IV, Bayonetta 2, Rock Band 3, Zelda Skyward Sword, Halo 3, Bloodborne etc as 'revolutionary'.

Edge said 10 for them is revolutionary?

RossoneR · Apr 21, 2018

Standard edge garbage. Need that attention.

Wamb0wneD · Apr 21, 2018

UltraGashInferno said:
If you point out there's more than one reviewer, they flip out and tell you all scores from the outlet must be perfectly consistent with each other.

Yeah... the amount of people not getting the GoW, Far Cry and SoT reviews most likely aren't from the same person is what what gets me. So many people...

RossoneR said:
Standard edge garbage. Need that attention.

And if the scores aligned with your view it suddenly wouldn't be "standard edge garbage" anymore?

Angie22 said:
I don't think we are at that fase yet.
That meltdown manage to get classic status.

I wonder how many people that are angry at the GoW 8 told everyone that 7/10 for BotW is a good score lol. There must be some overlapping.

the-pi-guy · Apr 21, 2018

Sylmaron said:
Still they have their oddities. I don't think many gamers would agree that Little Big Planet deserved a ten out of ten.

The game that has only 1 review below 80, and 26 perfect scores.
It is a fantastic game, that at the time was lauded for all the things that it was doing.

Protome · Apr 21, 2018

Vishmarx said:
Again no im not
Im saying explain why the last game was a 9 and what makes this a 6 IN COMPARISON TO THAT. Not make the 6 a 9 because the last one was too. If youre dropping the score so much for a mostly identical game then context must be brought forward directly in comparison.
My solution is for them to dedicate a para on why theres such a downgrade over fc 4 other than just whoop shit im a different person.
Im not arguing about any score in particular, im not surprised by the 8 gow got nor am i surprised by the sot score.
My take on them has always been that they prefer games with that put their gameplay mechanics over everything else and their biases only extend to that bit. not to nintendo or european devs.

But nobody owes them this understanding and when they give out snobby tweets insinuating that everyone puzzled over their 1 point gap between gow and sot which has a 35 or so point gap on mc is an idiot , thats when they come off as overly pretentious and not deserving of the merit. I mean, just be mature and explain yourself in 3 or 4 lines if internet buffoonery is bothering you instead of reciprocating that.

Jesus man, you need to calm down a bit. It's just review scores.

Your idea wouldn't work because it requires a critic to have played the previous games which in the case of something like Far Cry where none of the games are connected is a completely unnecessary waste of their time. If they have they can do that (and I haven't read the review, did they not do this?) but regardless it wouldn't actually help your issue here.
The issue you have with their review score is it's lower than FC4's, despite the fact you think it's a better game. Your idea of "they should put in a paragraph saying why FC5 is a downgrade over 4" only works if they reviewer thinks it is a downgrade. Is the reviewer of FC5 the same one as FC4? If not, did this reviewer ever review FC4? what if they also didn't like FC4 very much?

People who are puzzled about their 1 point gap compared to the 35 MC gap are idiots. That's not how review scores work. That's not how opinions work. Just because there are numbers there doesn't mean you can compare them directly and go "oh shit this maths doesn't add up." It's not pretentious to point that out.

~Fake · Apr 21, 2018

truly101 said:
And thats the thing, after a game has been out for a while, those scores end up being justified to a degree that even if you don't agree, you can at least see where the reviewer arrived at the score.
At the heart of it is just more system warz, list warz bullshit, and the curtain gets pulled back on the people that attach feelings of inadequacy, righteous indignation and tribalism to products. Fanboys are stupid and petty.

You guys are putting much enfort in God of War and ignoring the Far Cry 5 review. FC5 is a far better game than FC4, but hey lets focus on that gow score fanboys war.

Raijinto · Apr 21, 2018

~Fake said:
After read tons of people defending this scores I must say I really dissapointed. Here its not different from neogaf I must say.
People like 'respect their opinion', but ignore everythink else... They can speak many many times about that god of war score (I expected 9, but 8 its a 'fair' score for a superb game), but that Far Cry 5 score its ridiculus and people still defend this? I mean, serious?
Now people defending the game getting warn, and people insulting fans like no end.
This is really a Edge thread after all.

Well if you're on the side of people like The New Beginning with that part I don't know what to tell ya.

People are getting warned/banned ITT for being console warriors as per usual, not for 'defending the game'.

oldsnakeonline · Apr 21, 2018

Sea of Thieves a 7/10? lol...
The era of Edge is over ...

kennyamr · Apr 21, 2018

People are mostly complaining because of the 7 Sea of Thieves got, compared to the many other games in the list.

If Sea of Thieves would have gotten a 5, I'm sure there wouldn't be these many responses against the results.

Personally I haven't played SoT so I can't really tell, but I am loving GoW so far, so that game is still a 10 for me.

PhazonBlazer · Apr 21, 2018

Hey, at least it's not a 7

DOTDASHDOT · Apr 21, 2018

Enazrat said:
Agree with their score for GOW.
Game is good but nothing stellar and takes a lot of control away from the player which one might like or not like.

Taking control away from the player? You playing enjoy story difficulty then? Cause playing on hard, pushes reflexes and skill to the max, you need total control.

Dark Cloud · Apr 21, 2018

jrush64 said:
The moment I saw this topic had more than 10 pages, I knew what it was gonna be about

Yeah people are really mad Detective Pikachu didn't get a higher score!

Deleted member 24550 · Apr 21, 2018

Four hours into GoW, I agree with the eight and the criticism that it already has pacing problems. However, I still feel like there are a lot of big things still going to happen, so I'm reserving my judgment. A six for Far Cry 5 given the review snippet seems totally fair too. And is in line with Polygon, Giant Bomb, Eurogamer, heck better than what Waypoint thought of it. No idea why either should be seen as shocking. Interested in the review of Sea of Thieves though.

nib95 · Apr 21, 2018

TechnicPuppet said:
So it's a big conspiracy by Edge against God of War. Gotcha.

Where did I even remotely say that? Lol.

Sea of Thieves review score being the only game on the list with a score above the meta average, the others being mostly notably below = conspiracy against God of War? That's how you decided to take that? Lol.

Deleted member 41933 · Apr 21, 2018

EDGE proving yet again what a joke this magazine is. People should've stopped giving them this much attention a long time ago.

Dark_Castle · Apr 21, 2018

Revolsin said:
Most average games are in fact rated average.

Brilliant.

Alot of things in this world are normally distributed.

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