EDM Era |OT| We're All Deaf Now

Tawpgun · Jul 24, 2019

SweetVermouth said:
I mean it's stupid to label an artist to one specific genre anyway. What kind of artists makes the same music over and over again? They can make music in vastly different styles and that's fine.

I don't feel that way. I can see that if we are talking about, sub sub genres and stuff to the point where more categorization becomes completely arbitrary but I don't think it's bad to differentiate between techno, dance, drum n bass, trance, hardcore, hardstyle, dubstep, house and trap. I mean like... if I ask someone to recommend me a great trance track and what they show me is hardstyle or trap, then this doesn't help at all.
And I love when people do experimentations and try to mix stuff from different styles, but labels don't hinder that. I like this track here a lot:

This is part dubstep, part trance (mostly up to 1:15) and I love it.

I can differentiate between something like dubstep, drum n bass, and house.

But House/Techno/Trance are all so similar to me. I believe its only the tempo that is largely the difference and trance can be more "epic" in scale if that makes sense.

I have no clue what hardcore/Hardstyle is. I think I have an idea of what trap is but its weird to put Big Wild and Troyboi in the same genre

SweetVermouth · Jul 24, 2019

Tawpgun said:
But House/Techno/Trance are all so similar to me. I believe its only the tempo that is largely the difference and trance can be more "epic" in scale if that makes sense.

Trance is when you have melodic structures and breakdowns and climaxes. The tension and energy goes up and down in them.
House is more grounded and groovy and casually danceable.
Techno is when there are no chords and no notes and you listen to a bassdrum, hihat and clap for 8 minutes. /s

Tawpgun said:
I have no clue what hardcore/Hardstyle is.

Hardcore is like techno except you turn up the volume to 20 out of 10, make the song way faster and play some distorted leads.
Hardstyle is a bit slower than hardcore and the bass drum is pitched (except early hardstyle) so it's not just: boom, boom, boom, but more like: boom, boom, beem, beem, badoom, doom, doom. lol

But what's more important than remembering all that stuff is that you just enjoy it.

ohhthegore · Jul 24, 2019

Tawpgun said:
I can differentiate between something like dubstep, drum n bass, and house.

But House/Techno/Trance are all so similar to me. I believe its only the tempo that is largely the difference and trance can be more "epic" in scale if that makes sense.

I have no clue what hardcore/Hardstyle is. I think I have an idea of what trap is but its weird to put Big Wild and Troyboi in the same genre

House- boots n cats n boots n cats
Techno- untz untz untz untz

Tawpgun · Jul 24, 2019

ohhthegore said:
House- boots n cats n boots n cats
Techno- untz untz untz untz

Both scratch the same itch imo

cj_iwakura · Jul 24, 2019

One of my favorite examples of Hardstyle:

Ashhong · Jul 24, 2019

SweetVermouth said:
I mean it's stupid to label an artist to one specific genre anyway. What kind of artists makes the same music over and over again? They can make music in vastly different styles and that's fine.

I don't feel that way. I can see that if we are talking about, sub sub genres and stuff to the point where more categorization becomes completely arbitrary but I don't think it's bad to differentiate between techno, dance, drum n bass, trance, hardcore, hardstyle, dubstep, house and trap. I mean like... if I ask someone to recommend me a great trance track and what they show me is hardstyle or trap, then this doesn't help at all.
And I love when people do experimentations and try to mix stuff from different styles, but labels don't hinder that. I like this track here a lot:

This is part dubstep, part trance (mostly up to 1:15) and I love it.

If you love trance and dubstep then look no further than Seven Lions if you haven't heard all of his stuff already. His rise to fame was making dubstep remixes on huge trance tracks and he's still at the top of his game imo

Tawpgun · Jul 24, 2019

Ashhong said:
If you love trance and dubstep then look no further than Seven Lions if you haven't heard all of his stuff already. His rise to fame was making dubstep remixes on huge trance tracks and he's still at the top of his game imo

Girlfriend loves this guy. Even got his symbol tatooed.

3 months after we moved to the Seattle Area we ran into him at the dog park we go to lol

https://www.instagram.com/p/BuhSzV6BOoU/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Ashhong · Jul 24, 2019

Tawpgun said:
Girlfriend loves this guy. Even got his symbol tatooed.

3 months after we moved to the Seattle Area we ran into him at the dog park we go to lol

https://www.instagram.com/p/BuhSzV6BOoU/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

your girlfriend has excellent taste! She's probably in the Facebook groups I'm in haha

Ferrs · Jul 24, 2019

Tawpgun said:
I can differentiate between something like dubstep, drum n bass, and house.

But House/Techno/Trance are all so similar to me. I believe its only the tempo that is largely the difference and trance can be more "epic" in scale if that makes sense.

I have no clue what hardcore/Hardstyle is. I think I have an idea of what trap is but its weird to put Big Wild and Troyboi in the same genre

You really don't see the difference between this

and this

if you mix one of these on a set of the other one the ppl will not take it good lol

It's true though that more people keeps mixing both, and this is where the ellitism comes (something that I don't agree with).

SweetVermouth said:
Trance is when you have melodic structures and breakdowns and climaxes. The tension and energy goes up and down in them.
House is more grounded and groovy and casually danceable.
Techno is when there are no chords and no notes and you listen to a bassdrum, hihat and clap for 8 minutes. /s

Hardcore is like techno except you turn up the volume to 20 out of 10, make the song way faster and play some distorted leads.
Hardstyle is a bit slower than hardcore and the bass drum is pitched (except early hardstyle) so it's not just: boom, boom, boom, but more like: boom, boom, beem, beem, badoom, doom, doom. lol

But what's more important than remembering all that stuff is that you just enjoy it.

Isn't Hardcore just what Gabber was? basically this

It tends to be more melodic than techno, unless it changed a lot (don't listen to it since the Thrillseeka days lol)

Tawpgun · Jul 24, 2019

Ferrs said:
You really don't see the difference between this

and this

if you mix one of these on a set of the other one the ppl will not take it good lol

It's true though that more people keeps mixing both, and this is where the ellitism comes (something that I don't agree with).

Isn't Hardcore just what Gabber was? basically this

It tends to be more melodic than techno, unless it changed a lot (don't listen to it since the Thrillseeka days lol)

First one is trance right? I like it a lot better than the second lol.

But both kinda scratch that repetitive bop itch. Not usually my thing, but I did get roped into seeing Above and Beyond and a bunch of the Anjuna artists this weekend soooo....

Ferrs · Jul 24, 2019

Tawpgun said:
First one is trance right? I like it a lot better than the second lol.

But both kinda scratch that repetitive bop itch. Not usually my thing, but I did get roped into seeing Above and Beyond and a bunch of the Anjuna artists this weekend soooo....

yep, first is Trance. Above and Beyond are great IMO, it's not really like neither but their sets have a lot of variety and vocal tracks.

Dokkaebi G0SU · Jul 24, 2019

Tawpgun said:
First one is trance right? I like it a lot better than the second lol.

But both kinda scratch that repetitive bop itch. Not usually my thing, but I did get roped into seeing Above and Beyond and a bunch of the Anjuna artists this weekend soooo....

Be ready to get into your feels and make sure you read what a&b type on screen. You might smile ;)

BLOODED_hands · Jul 24, 2019

Gabber is the first and then Hardcore. There are differences but Gabber has transformed into what is now called Hardcore. Dr. Peacock is Frenchcore. Frenchcore is just Hardcore but more uplifting and melodic instead of the usual edge associated with Hardcore.

Gabber is more associated with the culture and Hardcore is more associated with the music surrounding the culture of Gabber. Gabber, in music terms, is the older sounds of what we now call Hardcore too. It's rougher and tougher and can range from 160-200 bpm. Hardcore typically ranges from 170-200 and is still rough and tough but imo is more edgy.

Dokkaebi G0SU · Jul 24, 2019

I remember when everyone I talked to wanted to put me on Happy Hardcore.

BLOODED_hands · Jul 24, 2019

I'm still indifferent to Happy and UK Hardcore. I do like me some cheese but sometimes it's a bit too cheesy for me. Same goes for Hardcore and Rawstyle but instead of cheesy it's the insane edge. Enough with the guns, killings, and supremacy.

Ferrs · Jul 25, 2019

BLOODED_hands said:
Gabber is the first and then Hardcore. There are differences but Gabber has transformed into what is now called Hardcore. Dr. Peacock is Frenchcore. Frenchcore is just Hardcore but more uplifting and melodic instead of the usual edge associated with Hardcore.

Opps, tbf I don't know the guy, I saw the MoH label and remember it from when I used to listen to Hardcore (15?years ago lol) so I assumed it was just plain Hardcore. I remember it being pretty melodic, although it's true that it was starting to change into a more industrial sound.

Ashhong · Jul 26, 2019

Anyone into Boris Brejcha? He's playing in LA and I'm deciding if I want to go. My friend sent this link, pretty awesome

https://youtu.be/vqz8c4ZP3Wg

Deleted member 2254 · Jul 26, 2019

Speaking of LAXX, he just released his first tune for 2019. Back to his legendary hybrid roots, but with a more modern twist, somewhat reminiscent of Eptic here and there. Lovely tune.

cdyhybrid · Jul 26, 2019

Phew Pan-Pot throwing down on the Tomorrowland stream

Tawpgun · Jul 30, 2019

Holy fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck the Gorge was amazing.

Way too fucking hot but AMAZING.

I never really listened to Above and Beyond or the Anjuna guys before, but I am converted.

I've seen countless pictures of the Gorge, and its hard not to get a good shot with how beautiful it is but you honestly don't appreciate the immense scale until you are there. They were doing helicopter tours of it and it was nuts seeing how small that helicopter got as it was descending down.

Ashhong · Jul 30, 2019

Glad you enjoyed! Welcome to the trance family

Dokkaebi G0SU · Jul 30, 2019

"im sorry baaabbbeeeeeeyy, you were the sun and moon to meee
ill never get ovver youuuu
youll never get ovver meeeeeeeeeeee"

mm chills every time...
forever will always be a classic

Tawpgun · Jul 30, 2019

That hill is a goddamn liability too. Its a miracle people don't eat shit every 5 minutes lol

After the show the A&B guys did a bit of a speech and said they want to make this a Bi-Annual thing. I initially thought they meant twice a year but they later clarified they will be returning to the gorge 2021.

Not gonna lie, in the state my mind was in I was hyped because it was next year only to realize its in 2 years RIP

Ashhong · Jul 30, 2019

Tawpgun said:
That hill is a goddamn liability too. Its a miracle people don't eat shit every 5 minutes lol

After the show the A&B guys did a bit of a speech and said they want to make this a Bi-Annual thing. I initially thought they meant twice a year but they later clarified they will be returning to the gorge 2021.

Not gonna lie, in the state my mind was in I was hyped because it was next year only to realize its in 2 years RIP

They are going to be at Red Rocks in September I believe. Another beautiful venue. I'd also recommend checking out Dreamstate if you're in Cali and enjoyed the music. Anjuna should be having their own stage this year.

ohhthegore · Jul 30, 2019

Nice to see Insomniac booking some good Techno for once, hopefully they continue this trend with their Secret Project lineup

BLOODED_hands · Aug 2, 2019

Need to find out where the venue is for the Techno in Minneapolis. The bigger venues are all mainstream EDM stuff (Trap and Dubstep mainly).

Friend is a Trance addict so he's been looking up where and when Trance djs come here. Haven't really gone to many Trance shows here. A&B and Cosmic Gate are the only ones that I've been to.

ohhthegore · Aug 2, 2019

I don't do much Trance but I lovvvvvvve going to Dreamstate and staying at the Psytrance stage the whole time

BLOODED_hands · Aug 2, 2019

I'm sure my friend would love to go to Dreamstate. The dude loves Trance. I think my whole rave circle are Trance addicts lol.

Dokkaebi G0SU · Aug 3, 2019

I used to be a trance addict...
Ferry corsten was my number 1
His track "beautiful" is an amazing journey that never gets old. Then seven lions remixed it and it push me through the sky.

But since then, nothing has drawn me back. I'll always Love trance though.. some very good memories w/ a&b at redrocks and etc.

Deleted member 12224 · Aug 10, 2019

Samurai G0SU said:
I used to be a trance addict...
Ferry corsten was my number 1
His track "beautiful" is an amazing journey that never gets old. Then seven lions remixed it and it push me through the sky.

But since then, nothing has drawn me back. I'll always Love trance though.. some very good memories w/ a&b at redrocks and etc.

Check out this week's episode of A&B Group Therapy. It'll be up your alley. Hits all my nostalgia notes.

https://www.1001tracklists.com/trac...rapy-radio-343-summer-special-2019-08-09.html

Above & Beyond - Group Therapy Radio 343 (Summer Special ...

Perpetuous Dream - Sound of Goodbye was the first trance like song I'd ever heard. Takes me way back to like 8th or 9th grade, finding it on Napster.

Tawpgun · Aug 14, 2019

Not sure if anyone has ever had this experience.

I've only known Zhu for his big hits that would play on EDM radio stations or be remixed. Never gave him much of a listen beyond that.

He was at Roo when I was there but I think I ended up going to something else at the time.

I decided to just go to the artist page and give it a listen and....

now I'm kicking myself for missing his set. This music is right up my alley. And I have a very picky taste in EDM.

BLOODED_hands · Aug 22, 2019

I. Can't. Stop. Listening to this, lol.

Her voice just keeps popping in my head and I have to listen to the song.

Dokkaebi G0SU · Aug 25, 2019

Was at svdden death last night as he revealed voyd. .. what a fucking show. His IG has some footage. It's crazy as fuck

Deleted member 2254 · Aug 26, 2019

Samurai G0SU said:
Was at svdden death last night as he revealed voyd. .. what a fucking show. His IG has some footage. It's crazy as fuck

That must have been fun as hell.

VOYD 1.5 also has this insane remix by MUST DIE!. SVDDEN DEATH's sound is sick enough as is, but this dude remixing it is like sex.

BLOODED_hands · Aug 27, 2019

I really need to experience a Q-dance event before I get too old:

Deleted member 2254 · Sep 2, 2019

Planning to go to an event this weekend with Martin Garrix and Da Tweakaz among others. Anybody had the chance to check 'em out live? Good times? I saw some sets and they seem fun times, but big festivals are not really representative of how a smaller concert will play out.

BLOODED_hands · Sep 3, 2019

Not at all. Garrix is supposed to be here this month and I'm trying to get my friends to go but nobody has said anything yet.

Dokkaebi G0SU · Sep 3, 2019

martin garrix is fun live, it was fun during edc this year.
idk about da tweakaz

cj_iwakura · Sep 3, 2019

I can't wait for the 'playing popular rock song that totally clashes with the rest of the set' trend to end.

ohhthegore · Sep 3, 2019

Da Tweakaz are a great time if you like Hardstyle

Deleted member 2254 · Sep 3, 2019

ohhthegore said:
Da Tweakaz are a great time if you like Hardstyle

Not quite my top 3 of EDM subgenres but there's plenty of good stuff there. I think I'll enjoy my time with it, the only annoyance is that it's a 2 hour drive there after a long week of work so I may arrive pretty tired.

Dokkaebi G0SU · Sep 3, 2019

cj_iwakura said:
I can't wait for the 'playing popular rock song that totally clashes with the rest of the set' trend to end.

Never going to end
Same with any popular song in any year

Get used to it or do whatever you want

Tawpgun · Sep 4, 2019

My biggest gripe is when they play a sample from some popular song and you're thinking "Oh shit this might be a cool remix" and then nothing changes except some crescendoing beats in the background leading to a drop, and the drop is just that shitty bass dubstep garbage disposal sound that has nothing to do with the original song.

But hey, at least the crowd sang along to old town road for a second there.

Ashhong · Sep 4, 2019

Nobody here really listens to future bass huh? Illeniums album came out which I love as well as the remix album for Dabin. So many feels

Also can't wait for dreamstate this year. Seven Lions psy set is going to be special

Dokkaebi G0SU · Sep 4, 2019

Ashhong said:
Nobody here really listens to future bass huh? Illeniums album came out which I love as well as the remix album for Dabin. So many feels

Also can't wait for dreamstate this year. Seven Lions psy set is going to be special

what exactly is future bass? like i really dont know what to put songs into what genre anymore lol.
illenium can range from feeeeells to a little bit o headbang according to what i witness. dabin is cool. their whole crew are very talented musicians as i think they all play an instrument? correct me if im wrong.

Ashhong · Sep 4, 2019

Samurai G0SU said:
what exactly is future bass? like i really dont know what to put songs into what genre anymore lol.
illenium can range from feeeeells to a little bit o headbang according to what i witness. dabin is cool. their whole crew are very talented musicians as i think they all play an instrument? correct me if im wrong.

Illenium plays drums, Dabin guitar, and Said the Sky piano. They call themselves the sad boy band lol and are doing it one last time for his new album tour.

Future bass is kinda broad I guess. It's mostly a specific style of sound in the drop that you can hear in like every dabin song and most Illenium. He plays mostly future bass with feels which is why I love him, but he does throw in some heavy dubstep once in a while too haha.

Like, I'm pretty sure this is future bass..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRRruUdE-9o

Tawpgun · Sep 4, 2019

If thats what future bass is, its likely my gf's favorite genre. And she's the one that kind of thrust me into the EDM scene, albeit I've gravitated toward a different style.

Her fav artist of all time is Seven Lions and loves illenium as well. Alison Wonderland is a recent fav too.

Dokkaebi G0SU · Sep 4, 2019

That's what confuses me. It's future bass but thrown out there from a trap channel.
I feel like illenium, sander, nghtmre, seven lions, San Holo, dreoloe, just a gent, dabin, said the sky and some others are very similar.
Holo kind of a tangent off them and the same with Alison.

But illenium is super popular with right now with three back to back red Rock shows. It's three nights in a row and I think they are all sold out.

Which leads me to the alchemy tour from seven lions. That looks interesting!!!

DMczaf · Sep 4, 2019

Samurai G0SU said:
That's what confuses me. It's future bass but thrown out there from a trap channel.
I feel like illenium, sander, nghtmre, seven lions, San Holo, dreoloe, just a gent, dabin, said the sky and some others are very similar.
Holo kind of a tangent off them and the same with Alison.

But illenium is super popular with right now with three back to back red Rock shows. It's three nights in a row and I think they are all sold out.

Which leads me to the alchemy tour from seven lions. That looks interesting!!!

I went to the Alchemy tour stop in Long Beach

I HIGHLY fucking recommend it.

Dokkaebi G0SU · Sep 4, 2019

DMczaf said:
I went to the Alchemy tour stop in Long Beach

I HIGHLY fucking recommend it.

Seven lions is stopping by here in Denver but isn't doing his alchemy tour. :(
He has other support that night. But that venue is new and heard nothing but good things about it.

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