It's very good, I just thought it worth pointing out that it hadn't gone 400000+ miles on a single battery. Looks like they got close to 200000 both times.
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You are all amazing! Thank you so much for answering my questions. Now, I know that Tesla batteries are normally expensive (I think I read that they got them down to $8K-$12K, but are workings towards $4K or something, I don't know), but what are the usual costs for batteries on the cheaper alternatives?
It should be noted that the Gen 1 Volt was very very conservative in the design of its battery. As I understand it the things that kill lithium ion batteries are heat, and either charging them to 100% all the time or letting the charge level get too close to zero. You can mitigate these by not allowing the user to charge to 100% (that is, "100%" is actually 80-90% of the actual battery capacity) and making "0%" (where the car shuts down) actually like 10% of the actual battery capacity, and of course having a robust system to cool the battery.
I don't remember offhand what the top and bottom buffers on the Gen 1 were but pretty much only half of the battery was usable, and the cooling system was very good.
The Leaf basically has no cooling system for the battery, and continues to basically have the same problem even in the latest model (I hear they added a fan? I used to drive a Kia Soul EV which also only had a cooling fan and the degradation was significant after three years when I turned the lease in, as I live in a hot climate). So if you live in a hot climate I would not recommend the Leaf or any EV without a liquid cooling system for the battery.
Another thing to note is that Teslas do not have a top buffer, 100% is actually 100%. Charging to 100 occasionally won't kill your battery but doing it every time and letting the car sit at 100 for long periods of time will degrade the battery. In a Tesla they will let you use the full capacity of the battery in case you're going on an occasional road trip, but the car will warn you if you charge to 100% repeatedly.
I think its also worth noting that even the earliest model S's from 2013 are still on their original batteries, and any that had them replaced were done so under the comprehensive 10yr warranty, if your concern is the cost of the batteries or their longevity, Tesla literally guarantees their packs, and if there are any issues with range or degredation beyond the norm, they swap it right out.
Most 2013 S' are still running at 85%-95%+ capacity, at least from what people have reported online and via tracking tools like TeslaFi.
It depends on the capacity of the pack and other stuff.
I believe Nissan charges around $8K to replace the battery out of warranty.
In Japan they can sell you a remanufactured battery pack for around half that. The program isn't available outside of Japan but as EVs take off there's no reason it can't happen elsewhere.
Here's one example of what 3rd parties could do, as the car manufacturers would prefer to sell you another car, rather than let you replace/upgrade the battery at a reasonable price.
Some interesting possibilities in the future as prices fall.
That makes sense! I've noticed a drastic difference on cold days. I guess I'm used to EPA estimates for ICE vehicles where it was near impossible for me to reach their metrics unless I kept at the most minimum RPM possible lol. It's nice that this can actually exceed for a change! Then again I'll drive well under range for a while and throw it out the window for one quick acceleration show in the P3D. Lol
Congrats!! That's so soon!
I know. I was kinda shocked as they estimate me 4-7 weeks and I ordered on Dec. 29. I figured with them blowing out their stock, I'd be on the late end of that. But I got a VIN a few days ago and it's literally hot off the press. Made first day of Jan or so, put on a train yesterday.
You've got to post some pictures when you get it in! Lol at the hot off the press thing. I remember they told me mines "Birthday" was December 3rd. Kind of similar turn around time to get to Dallas!
When I visited the local Tesla store here, I was told it would only be a couple weeks for an M3. I'm currently waiting to test drive one, as they didn't have one in stock and won't for another week or two. After that, assuming I buy one, I have to probably wait till April for pickup, we have to arrange driving to Cleveland for it, and our schedule is crazy till then. Fuck Michigan and its shit car dealer lobby.
That sucks. We have a Tesla location 15 minutes from our house, so easy peasy.
Our Tesla location is super close to where we live, so it would be good, but... Hopefully Tesla wins their lawsuit against the state.
Mind boggling stupid lol.
Japanese manufacturers are completely off the wall with EVs.
I'll also say I'm thrilled with Progressive insurance. AllState quoted me an obscene number for my Tesla. Progressive is covering my Tesla and Crosstrek for half the price of AllState covering my Crosstrek and 2006 Corolla. It basically comes out to $55 a month for the Tesla with all the extra coverage options added.
Any experience in here with the Hyundai Ioniq? This $79 a month lease special they're running seems perfect for a commuter car.
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Fart noise thing is kinda a joke. It does have a feature that allows external sound that might be useful in some settings.
Tesla can now sell in Michigan after settling with the state, albeit through a "subsidiary." Hopefully things are in place to get this going soon as I was planning to buy in April, as that's the soonest I was going to be able to arrange driving to Cleveland for pickup.
Tesla settles with Michigan over in-state sales
Tesla settles with Michigan over in-state sales
Got a Chevy Bolt this weekend as a second car/commuter car. Dealers are knocking 15k off the MSRP for the 2020s right now.
Really enjoying it so far. No way I buy an ICE vehicle again.
Really enjoying it so far. No way I buy an ICE vehicle again.
Any way to check that for other states? I'd kill to get a 2020 Bolt for $15K off MSRP.
Just check the website and get an internet quote (look under current offers). I used TrueCar also, but was pretty close before I pulled that card
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I for one welcome our mobility as a service future. Bring it on asap!
The range on that Mazda is a joke, not to mention the rest. This is not the way to break into the EV market.
I can't speak for every single EV but I can tell you that the quality of the app for this can vary widely. Typically the way these seem to work is that the car may be sleeping with its internet connection disabled so the app begins communication using an SMS to wake the car, which can take several seconds. The good apps switch to using the internet once the car is awake (like Tesla) but some implementations (like my old Kia, not sure if things have improved lately) will continue to use SMS which means it can take close to a minute to get status from the car (request charge level, for example, receive response from car). I've also seen videos of Leaf drivers in Europe where the app is completely unusable.
You might need to do some research into whichever car you're considering...
From the dealership to immediately getting X-Ice tires installed. No fancy pics yet:
Congrats Octodad! I've had mine for a bit over a month and it's a complete game changer. You're going to love it! Good choice going with the white as well but I'm biased (mine is white as well).
I really like most of the colors. I almost went for black, but keeping it clean in the dirty snow is too much of a hassle. Didn't want to drop 2k more on the red and I have always been a minimalist, so white is appealing anyway. I really like the clean, OG iPod look.
Lol. You and I had the same thoughts about snow. I live in Northern Colorado and have the exact same issue.
I'm installing some Basenor mud flaps today. Hoping that'll reduce the salt and dirt spray a bit too.
For some reason I'm drawn to that yellowy-coloured Honda e. Looks funky.
Wonder when we'll get it in Canada.
Wonder when we'll get it in Canada.
NDA on the Mini Cooper SE was lifted this week and the initial reviews/impressions are favorable:
That sounds like a really fun ride, but the range is just so bad. 110 miles is fine for city driving, but cold weather, and other factors can basically cut it in half. I just don't think those kinds of cars are worth it to have sub-100 mile range functionally.
I really hope Nissan can turn it around. Its a shame that by Ghosn saving the company in the early 2000s, they started making worse cars as a result.
Yeah, I had a Cooper S before my Volt and enjoyed it a lot, but it would need better range before I considered it. And I'd need my kids to be out of the house, since there's no room in that back seat.
Im guessing its aimed at city drivers that never drive more than like 30 miles a day. Same with the Honda E and similar cars.
Or people like me that have multiple cars and would just use an electric for daily commuting
I kinda suspect that 110 range is underestimating and will be closer to 150 miles once someone gets a chance to do some real-world testing. Even so, I've looked at my driving patterns over the past year and I've only thought of a handful of examples where I needed more than 50-60 miles of range in a day. Living in the suburbs, 95% of my use cases are covered, and for any others we have my wife's Subaru.
If anyone in this thread is considering a tesla in the near future, DM me for a referral code (1000mi/1500km free supercharging!) - I'm dying to get at least ONE referral under my belt and I somehow keep missing out on giving them to friends in time who have recently picked cars up, grr.
Word, the lack of precision on the impact of cold weather is frustrating. I didn't wait for the Mini since I didn't think I could deal with a 20-40% range hit on 110 miles. If I could get close to that on the highway in the winter I might have reconsidered
Yeah, heat pumps should be standard. Easy the cost and just make it standard. Beats having thousands of angry customers.
One week down with the new Bolt... I cannot wait to replace my ICE family car with another EV.
Seems like 2022 is going to be a big year for larger EVs, if everyone stays on target. Have there been any murmurs of a Model X exterior refresh or will that always look like an egg?
Seems like 2022 is going to be a big year for larger EVs, if everyone stays on target. Have there been any murmurs of a Model X exterior refresh or will that always look like an egg?
In case anyone missed the news yesterday Model Y is now going to start delivery in March(this is like 6 months ahead of the previous announcements) for the AWD and Performance versions. Range is now upgraded to 315 miles, was previously 280. Standard range is still expected to go in production early 2021
No shocker it's way more efficient than competition.
No shocker it's way more efficient than competition.
We had a horrendous hailstorm last Monday in a Canberra and it totally wrecked the family car. We were looking at EVs but they were all horrendously expensive down here such as the Kona and the Model 3. In the end I settled on a RAV4 Hybrid to tide us over until EVs are more affordable or when the RAV4 Prime PHEV hits the Australian market in a few years.
From the dealership to immediately getting X-Ice tires installed. No fancy pics yet:
Congrats! I've had mine for about a month now and it has been an absolute joy to commute with.
Loving the look of the Honda E as well, such a cute little car.