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BAD

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https://medium.com/@teamwarren/heres-how-we-can-break-up-big-tech-9ad9e0da324c

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Twenty-five years ago, Facebook, Google, and Amazon didn't exist. Now they are among the most valuable and well-known companies in the world. It's a great story — but also one that highlights why the government must break up monopolies and promote competitive markets.

In the 1990s, Microsoft — the tech giant of its time — was trying to parlay its dominance in computer operating systems into dominance in the new area of web browsing. The federal government sued Microsoft for violating anti-monopoly laws and eventually reached a settlement. The government's antitrust case against Microsoft helped clear a path for Internet companies like Google and Facebook to emerge.

The story demonstrates why promoting competition is so important: it allows new, groundbreaking companies to grow and thrive — which pushes everyone in the marketplace to offer better products and services. Aren't we all glad that now we have the option of using Google instead of being stuck with Bing?

Today's big tech companies have too much power — too much power over our economy, our society, and our democracy. They've bulldozed competition, used our private information for profit, and tilted the playing field against everyone else. And in the process, they have hurt small businesses and stifled innovation.

I want a government that makes sure everybody — even the biggest and most powerful companies in America — plays by the rules. And I want to make sure that the next generation of great American tech companies can flourish. To do that, we need to stop this generation of big tech companies from throwing around their political power to shape the rules in their favor and throwing around their economic power to snuff out or buy up every potential competitor.

That's why my Administration will make big, structural changes to the tech sector to promote more competition — including breaking up Amazon, Facebook, and Google.
 

mrmoose

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Nov 13, 2017
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I'm not exactly sure why they want to target these three specific companies and not like the AT&Ts and Disneys of the world.

Is the tech sector really that stagnant? That seems to be where a lot of money goes to try to catch the next innovative thing, and sometimes the point of building such a company is being bought out by the giants.
 

kmfdmpig

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Oct 25, 2017
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Google I can see the logic. I'm not sure how either Facebook or Amazon could be considered monopolies, however.
 

Xx 720

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Nov 3, 2017
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Refuse to vote for Trump, hate him. I hope she dosent make it through the primaries, I guess I'll do a write in vote.
 

Nemesis121

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Nov 3, 2017
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How about making them pay taxes, these companies get away with murder while IRS destroy regular people lives...
 

Empyrean Cocytus

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Oof, not sure this is a good move. Sure progs and demsocs will be all over it, but the goal is to convert moderates and independents who went for Trump in 2016 - and anything approaching a socialist approach is not going to convince them.
 

borghe

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not really sure how one could consider Disney any sort of monopoly (IIRC, please correct me.. but the Fox deal has FSN, Fox News, and broadcast stations carved out of it, right?) They're a big movie studio.. but outside of that own a handful or TV channels.. and no telecommunications presence.
 

Cookie

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Oct 26, 2017
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Definitely do it. Don't think I'd support Warren but this could be good to push other candidates into committing to the same idea.
 

CoolestSpot

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Google I can see the logic. I'm not sure how either Facebook or Amazon could be considered monopolies, however.
Facebook I could see, there isn't really any competition for what they provide. Like forums like these are only thing in same field I can think of.

Amazon might as well be, but I don't know if it'd legally count.
 

zou

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I get breaking up Google, but how exactly would it work with Facebook or Amazon? What exactly would you break Facebook up into? I guess you could force them to spin off Instagram, but how would that change anything for FB/Whatapp? Same for Amazon, you could split up AWS, but how would that change Amazon's market dominance? Doesn't seem realistic, I mean they still have to make money and survive.

Edit: Also, Google is the only one actually abusing their monopoly, don't see any court agreeing to break up Amazon or Facebook.
 

Piccoro

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I'm not exactly sure why they want to target these three specific companies and not like the AT&Ts and Disneys of the world.

Is the tech sector really that stagnant? That seems to be where a lot of money goes to try to catch the next innovative thing, and sometimes the point of building such a company is being bought out by the giants.
Disney is a big tech company?
 

borghe

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Odd not to explicitly mention Apple there.

But I agree, in principle.
similar to Disney... apple is still "just" a computer company.. phones are the modern personal computing device. Not to mention Apple having second place share in almost every market to Android (which is not google at the retail level in most cases)

obviously apple's services division is growing massively.. so some day they could be a prime target for a breakup.. but I can't see any reason to target them now.. they're a massive computer company with a bunch of small fingers dabbling in other areas.
 

LukeOP

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Break up the banks and telecom companies first.

My opinion of Warren has really fallen.
 

blinky

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She singled out three companies that have massive economies of scale. SMH.
 

mrmoose

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not really sure how one could consider Disney any sort of monopoly (IIRC, please correct me.. but the Fox deal has FSN, Fox News, and broadcast stations carved out of it, right?) They're a big movie studio.. but outside of that own a handful or TV channels.. and no telecommunications presence.

Maybe not a monopoly per se, but aren't they already exerting pressure on movie theaters to extract an even bigger percentage from them? They seem to have a ton of leverage and are only increasing in power.

I just find it weird that she's focusing on the tech sector exclusively saying that innovation has died there. And if you think Google has a monopoly on search or whatever, how exactly do you break that up?
 

PlanetSmasher

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I'm good with that. Break up all the tech-corporation singularities before they consume everything around them.

Amazon and Google and Facebook are way worse for the world at large than Microsoft was in the 90s, so it seems like a smart play.
 

borghe

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Maybe not a monopoly per se, but aren't they already exerting pressure on movie theaters to extract an even bigger percentage from them? They seem to have a ton of leverage and are only increasing in power.

I just find it weird that she's focusing on the tech sector exclusively saying that innovation has died there. And if you think Google has a monopoly on search or whatever, how exactly do you break that up?
their exerted pressure is from demand for their product.. not size of their business. Disney had the crazy three week engagement requirements going all the way back to their 90s animated features. Their growth hasn't changed any of that or made it more (or less) dangerous. Disney holds that leverage because people want to see what they make, and have for 80 years
 

Tremorah

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Dec 3, 2018
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Fucking yes, tear them all down it is ridiculous that theyve managed to claw to the positions theyre at here in the west
 

Prison_mike

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I get breaking up Google, but how exactly would it work with Facebook or Amazon? What exactly would you break Facebook up into? I guess you could force them to spin off Instagram, but how would that change anything for FB/Whatapp? Same for Amazon, you could split up AWS, but how would that change Amazon's market dominance? Doesn't seem realistic, I mean they still have to make money and survive.

I mean, Overstock, ebay, ect all had an oppurtunity/ level playing field. Amazon was just better and the people spoke!
 

mrmoose

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Doesn't Amazon have over 50% of the e-commerce market?

Facebook i believe at this point has >90% of all revenue as both Snapchat and Twitter are small in comparison.

Amazon's e-commerce foothold is a drop in the bucket compared to AWS. But even that's not a monopoly, there's plenty of cloud competition.
 

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I get breaking up Google, but how exactly would it work with Facebook or Amazon? What exactly would you break Facebook up into? I guess you could force them to spin off Instagram, but how would that change anything for FB/Whatapp? Same for Amazon, you could split up AWS, but how would that change Amazon's market dominance? Doesn't seem realistic, I mean they still have to make money and survive.

Edit: Also, Google is the only one actually abusing their monopoly, don't see any court agreeing to break up Amazon or Facebook.
Precisely the bolded.

Facebook bought its competitors. The IG sale alone should've never been allowed.
 

Mindwipe

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I get breaking up Google, but how exactly would it work with Facebook or Amazon? What exactly would you break Facebook up into? I guess you could force them to spin off Instagram, but how would that change anything for FB/Whatapp? Same for Amazon, you could split up AWS, but how would that change Amazon's market dominance? Doesn't seem realistic, I mean they still have to make money and survive.

Edit: Also, Google is the only one actually abusing their monopoly, don't see any court agreeing to break up Amazon or Facebook.

You could force FB to divest Instagram and Whatsapp, and to split their advertising business to a different company. Most of their dominance comes from selling advertising off their actual website using FB data.

Amazon - AWS would change a lot of things about Amazon's market dominance. And again, spinning off their advertising business would be a significant deal.

Apple could be forced to split into their content, hardware, and software divisions (and we'd all be much better off for it, the App Store is a ludicrously anti-competitive concept).
 

tabris

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Odd not to explicitly mention Apple there.

But I agree, in principle.

Well Apple's practices are all about driving costumers to high end consumer products and app/service marketplaces. Their current model actually prefers less customers higher profit, then more customers higher revenue.

Facebook, and Alphabet practices are all about monetizing data.

Very different models.

And Amazon and Alphabet reach stretches everywhere, especially into business. Very diverse companies.
 

Big Yoshi

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lets fucking go

I know a bunch of people here like to jerk off big tech companies like these but no one company should be as powerful as alphabet is right now.
 

kmfdmpig

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Doesn't Amazon have over 50% of the e-commerce market?

Facebook i believe at this point has >90% of all revenue as both Snapchat and Twitter are small in comparison.
Typically a monopoly is considered a business that can change prices and subject buyers to its whims. If Amazon rose prices Ebay, Newegg, WalMart, etc... would gain market share. Monopolies also, typically have a barrier to entry in their space. Twitter and Snapchat are good examples of the potential for new social media sites to start and prosper.
 
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