is something bad that i want everyone going to this church to be called out?
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Ellen Page calls out Chris Pratt's "infamously anti-LGBTQ" church
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is something bad that i want everyone going to this church to be called out?
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maybe he believes that? There's others that have said the same. Maybe he hasn't witnessed that side of the church?
And yet, you have not listed them all and called them all out. By your own logic, that is quite curious.
Yes, it is.
It's not for any Christian or religious community to impose their ideas of sexuality on others. It's extremely condescending and harmful to categorize someone as sinful, specially when they're not even part of your religion. History can attest to that.
Believing that homosexual intercourse is wrong means you're homophobic. It doesn't matter where the idea stems from.
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Hillsong is trash.
The Christian sexual ethic has been remarkably consistent over two thousand years of church history across all major denominations, that being that sexual activity was created for marriage between a man and a woman and should only be exercised within such a marriage. Obviously that's not, uh, popular in the current social climate. My expectation, based on how the culture has shifted in the last five years and where it's headed, anyone who holds to the Christian sexual ethic is probably going to be barred from any sort of public position or even celebrity within the next twenty years. That's why you see a lot of theologically liberal churches looking for anything whatsoever they can hold on to in order to change the plain meaning of the NT scriptural text and two thousand years of understanding of what that text means. In fact, probably even saying that one holds to the Christian sexual ethic might be enough to get banned from this forum.
The Christian sexual ethic has been remarkably consistent over two thousand years of church history across all major denominations, that being that sexual activity was created for marriage between a man and a woman and should only be exercised within such a marriage. Obviously that's not, uh, popular in the current social climate. My expectation, based on how the culture has shifted in the last five years and where it's headed, anyone who holds to the Christian sexual ethic is probably going to be barred from any sort of public position or even celebrity within the next twenty years. That's why you see a lot of theologically liberal churches looking for anything whatsoever they can hold on to in order to change the plain meaning of the NT scriptural text and two thousand years of understanding of what that text means. In fact, probably even saying that one holds to the Christian sexual ethic might be enough to get banned from this forum.
i dont understand what is happening here but ook??
the kardashians, haile stenfield, justin bieber, selena gomez, vanessa hudgens, chris pratt, hayley baldwin, nick jonas, should reconsider their choice
You are not calling the church goers out. You are calling Ellen out. This is the problem.
Plenty of LGBT friendly churches
But there's that sexual ethic phrase again
What's happening is you literally accused another poster of being okay with the other members because they weren't talking about them right that second. I was trying to show that you were being ridiculous with that post. We all obviously don't want anyone supporting that trash. That doesn't mean we can't discuss a specific prolific person.
Pratt is even more dumb af considering he works on an artistic industry with lots of lgbtq artists behind every aspect of film-making.
Lol.
"I'm not homophobic. But i like promoting my lgbtq-hating church!!! Less hate more love!!"
In America? That's good to hear. When I was younger almost every denomination rejected homosexuality. Guess we still have a ways to go though.
Lets just sum up the defense force for this guy:
"I'm ignorant as fuck and don't have the slightest idea what I'm talking about, but I've decided that this forum unjustly hates Chris Pratt because I like him. What's that, Ellen Page has the receipts? Never heard of her."
"I'm ignorant as fuck and don't have the slightest idea what I'm talking about, but I've decided that this forum unjustly hates Chris Pratt because I like him. What's that, Ellen Page has the receipts? Never heard of her."
pardon my ignorance, but why isn't a good response? Did you want something more forceful about condemning the church itself? If so, he'd need to be prepared to leave that church.
Just stepping outside of the question of homosexuality a bit - Jesus summarises the law in two commandments - l
Sure, there's also an entire 'Christian' denomination in Canada that has no problems with an atheist being a minister in their church: https://globalnews.ca/news/4648180/atheist-minister-toronto-congregation/
Liberal theology long ago gave up any pretense of any strong sense of conviction or dogma. As such you can find self-proclaimed Christian churches that will literally believe anything as long as it fits the culture, like an atheist being a minister. So you'll always be able to point to a collection of self-identifying Christian churches who hold to progressive politics. It still doesn't change the meaning of the text or two thousand years of church history saying something different.
He called Ellen Page a liar. He could have said the church works great for him without baselessly refuting her message. She actually has facts to back it up, he has nothing besides an irrelevant personal anecdote.
Before I continue this back and fourth, do you think the church is anti-LGBTQ like Ellen Page says it is?
I'm not sure why anyone expected Pratt to repudiate either his church's behavior or his own beliefs. Christianity is not LGBT friendly, generally speaking. You can find some Christian churches that are more accepting of it than others, but unless they're actually run by gay people, most of them are "love the sinner hate the sin" groups. Christianity is packed full of bad, ridiculous beliefs, and the people who follow it are likely to have bad, ridiculous beliefs, so there's nothing shocking when one of its adherents not only has bad, ridiculous beliefs, but refuses to accept that his particular branch would never do anything hurtful.
Hey if you want pro LGBT people to be only "Christians" and bigots the real Christians that's your call.
Also keep up that persecution complex
Lol at no Christian will be allowed to be famous or serve office in the near future
i dont think this makes him an "aloof cornball"
this makes him a willfully ignorant fool
Tried to tell y'all he wouldn't have the stones to respond verbally. Can't piss off that alt-right base.
And LOL @ people thinking this "response" was good. Weird Facebook meme shit, like something the uncle you try to ignore would post in response to an argument.
And LOL @ people thinking this "response" was good. Weird Facebook meme shit, like something the uncle you try to ignore would post in response to an argument.
His response is lazy.
Some of your post go missing? lol
I did mention the two commandments last page. I think it was received as being condensending.
Some of your post go missing? lol
I did mention the two commandments last page. I think it was received as being condensending.
I'm not sure how this church differs from any other church/ mosque etc honestly. But I know that they don't represent every attendees beliefs. The man can only defend his beliefs and the churches from his own experience.
Nice attempt at dancing around my question. But getting back to Pratt, do you think he didn't read about the church or know anything about what they have done?
I doubt he was as ignorant about the church as you claim to be before he joined it. So your little "maybe he didn't witness it" nonsense means nothing.
He said the church isn't anti-LGBTQ, so either he's lying or he doesn't think their obvious anti-LGBTQ activities are anti-LGBTQ. Which do you think makes him a bigger asshole?
Did you miss the part where he said what Ellen Page said isn't true? He didn't qualify it, he just said its straight up untrue. Even with facts out there like their opposition to marriage equality in Australia and other places, he still said its not true. The motherfucker is a liar and you're dancing around whats in front of your face.
Whoops, didn't know I hit post.
Anyway, what I was going to say was that what you're essentially arguing for is antinomianism. How do we love God (the greatest commandment which is above loving our neighbour)? Jesus says, "If you love Me, keep My commandments." Now of course there's disagreement over what is a 'commandment', which is why I'm trying to take it out of the realm of homosexuality which is controversial. But it's very difficult (theologically speaking) of arguing a position of there being no ethically standard in the life of a Christian. If you want to argue about what fits in that ethical standard, then yeah there's going to be more to discuss. And I would happily stand beside you and argue that the ethical standard for American evangelical Christianity is flawed in many, many ways. To bring it back to the topic of the thread, even within the generally accepted sexual ethic of American evangelicals there is huge hypocrisy, where homosexuality is seen as a mortal sin but no one would ever dare preach against divorce and will happily look the other way when it comes to pre-marital sex.
Also of course I'm not arguing salvation by works. As Luther said, "We are saved by faith alone, but the faith that saves is never alone."
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It's about how we live in a pluralistic society, and what we expect from others we disagree with. Do you think every Mosque out there should shut down? Because they are 99.9% anti LGTBQ+. Or refugees coming in from homophobic countries who carry with them fear about gay people?
Who is more persecuted? Who do we cut out? What do we expect from those who we fundamentally disagree with?
Yes of course they were part of the community. I guess I'm like you, but in use Q for the umbrella term instead of +.
His response sucks but I'm not gonna act like I expected anything different from that trash. Ellen Page stays 1) correct, and 2) the best Ellen there is in the industry
His response is as cookie cutter as any response Cruise would give about Scientology. They are spokesman for a religious conglomerate. He is respected within his church because he's fucking loaded. I don't hate the dude but he is really handwaving this whole thing.
"This church cannot possibly be homophobic because I, a straight male, was helped by the church in a matter entirely unrelated to the topic of LGBT"
Well if this isn't an airtight argument I don't know what is!
Well if this isn't an airtight argument I don't know what is!
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The combination of the picture choice, the quote used, the response written and the couple of emojis on the top seems a little befuddled. Its like a kidnappers letter of demands made of cut out letters version of an apology.
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This is exactly why celebrities have publicists-to NOT release crap like this.
Take out the emojis and he still comes off like a completely ignorant idiot, but that's just the icing on the cake.
I am a touch confused- Why can't someone just find proofs as examples for substantiating Ellen Page's claim and refuting Chris Pratt's (to move forward the discussion given Pratt essentially refuted Ellen Page's by implying she is either mistaken/or a liar by way of personal anecdote)?
He should clarify. If he believes that people should be able to love who they want without judgement from their fellow man, why would he attend an institution that holds prejudices he disagrees with. I'm certain that there are other moral authorities that would be welcoming to him and his family regardless of his previous martial history that don't hold such outdated and prejudiced beliefs.
