Not really. It's radical and bizarre anywhere and everywhere it might manifest.
I don't see that way because a person not agreeing with another, doesn't mean that don't have respect as a human being.
Makes no difference to me whether you hate gays for fun or because your religion told you to. Let's not pretend these "personal beliefs" of yours never hurt anyone, shall we.Let's agree to disagree. For me have phobia of a person is one thing, have a personal belief is another.
No let's not
And stop normalizing homophobia
You can't love a gay person but hate gayness
These places are popping up all over my town in Florida. Did you know that even though they say "non-denominational" they actually model a lot of their theology after very conservative Soithern Baptist theology? They dress it up to sound inclusive, but there are a lot of sinister undertones there.
Not to mention I hate the whole rock-show element to them where the emphasis is placed on production values and the pastor being this "cool guy".
Maybe I'm a bit biased too because my dad and uncle are both priests with the Episcopal church. Quite a progressive denomination. At least my denomination wholly embraces my uncle who is gay and was married in his church once it became legal in Vermont.
Chris Pratt has sucked for a while. Even if Colbert brought it up he'd weasel out of answering honestly about it.
I don't see that way because a person not agreeing with another, doesn't mean that don't have respect as a human being.
People think differently, I don't think you can force anyone to be in favour of same sex relationship or abortion as an exemple, but respect people choices and their way of live is essential.
This is what I thought too. Very surprised that there are a lot of really mainstream churches that ignore scripture for the sake of progress and inclusivity
If only other Abrahamic religions would follow suit. But we're not ready for that conversation....
You don't think that denying people's fundamental personhood is strange?how can something be bizarre if it's everywhere though
edit: i'm honestly confused not being a prick here
It isn't "hate" and actually I can, or do you agree with everything all people you love do?
I'm going to need some receipts. People say this, and when asked for evidence of horrible things that Pratt does, they have to scrape the barrel
It isn't "hate" and actually I can, or do you agree with everything all people you love do?
I'm going to need some receipts. People say this, and when asked for evidence of horrible things that Pratt does, they have to scrape the barrel
Nah, the Bible tells you how to make a magic potion that you can force your wife to drink. If she cheated, it will cause an abortion.Isn't Christianity itself anti-LGBTQ and pro-life? I'm pretty sure being gay and abortions are sins in the Bible.
16 "'The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord.17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, "If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband"— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—"may the Lord cause you to become a curse[b] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries."
"'Then the woman is to say, "Amen. So be it."
23 "'The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water. 24 He shall make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering will enter her. 25 The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the Lord and bring it to the altar.26 The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial[c] offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse.
This church isn't just "not Pro LGBT", it's extremely Anti-LGBT.Basically all christian churches has anti LGBT values for obvious reasons. I don't think call out a christian for not being pro LGBT has any sense.
It isn't "hate" and actually I can, or do you agree with everything all people you love do?
It isn't "hate" and actually I can, or do you agree with everything all people you love do?
especially the facade of love
"The Bible" is hardly the sole rule of faith for most denominations out there. That being said, as far as the USA are concerned, there are many large denominations that hold pro-LGBT stances. (the Episcopal Church, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, the Old Catholics...) With a religion as diverse and divided as Christianity, it's hard to single-handedly categorize the whole religion at once.Isn't Christianity itself anti-LGBTQ and pro-life? I'm pretty sure being gay and abortions are sins in the Bible.
You don't think that denying people's fundamental personhood is strange?
It is bizarre in the way that saying the earth is flat is bizarre or that climate change is not real is bizarre.it is inherently strange to me.
but ask somebody living in a country that throws you in prison for being gay (with little to no public outrage). surely that's their normal?
lol no
I'm of the opinion that a good person must find it morally offensive to consider LGBT people "sinful." Sexual orientation is about more than love and sex, but even if we were to reduce it to that, the very idea that a form of love or a form of sex between consenting adults is wrong by some sort of objective divine and universal principle is outrageous. Not to mention cruel, dismissive of sound science, and contemptuous of one's fellow human beings.I have yet to attend a church where they explicitly took an anti-LGBT stance. I know the vast majority do, but there are definitely ones that don't preach that stuff. Personally, I don't think it's my place to judge whether or not homosexuality is a sin. I just love people the same and have gay, lesbian, and transgender friends. It used to be a weird thing for me when I was more sheltered, but now I've matured to the point that I know that people are just people.
Follows Candace Owens and was all up in blue lives matter shit years ago.
I guess that what that poster is trying to say is that, if most people around you believe the Earth is flat, isn't not bizarre, just the norm.It is bizarre in the way that saying the earth is flat is bizarre or that climate change is not real is bizarre.
It is bizarre in the way that saying the earth is flat is bizarre or that climate change is not real is bizarre.
This is a large part of whats completely turned me away from organised christianity. Behind all the smiles and talks of everyone being welcome, its still largely the same discriminatory toxic ideology, and I can't in good conscience be a part of that, and I'm surprised Pratt can be.
Basically all christian churches has anti LGBT values for obvious reasons. I don't think call out a christian for not being pro LGBT has any sense.
How exactly does one "disagree" with a person being gay? Like, I disagree that you are attracted to the same sex (?). Is it something you can even "agree" with.
So, just like the last thread we had on this "controversy" I feel like people are missing some context.
Pratt's church, Hillsong, is a brand church. There are multiple congregations around the world. He does not attend the church parishioned by Carl Lentz who is the parishioner of the New York City church but does not set the doctrines of the church as it's a Christian church, not a Lentzian church.
So Pratt's specific church isn't necessarily anti-LGBT. It's the "celebrity church", the in church right now for celebrities. Christianity is overall rather anti-LGBT, but his specific church is no more or less.
Jesus did define marriage as a union between a man and his wife, and specifically cites Adam and Eve as what God intended, which excludes same sex marriage and thus makes homosexual sex sinful because it's fornication.There's almost no reference to gay sex in the new testament, except to say you shouldn't do it as part of pagan rituals in a temple. Lots of rules for straight people, though. Weirdly a lot of those are overlooked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHR8hofbbQo
Just cringey as fuck. Underneath the hip and glossy veneer, it's the same bullshit anti-LGBTQ and pro-life bullshit. Good on Ellen for bringing it up.
That's not what I meant. I know you like to view and twist everything as the most extremely negative thing possible but let's not play that game and instead just be real. By "edgy atheist" I meant not pushing my beliefs onto others like a lot of Christians do onto Atheists and people of other religions. I'm not into being like the people I dislike/hate. I believe in peace above all else.Gee I didn't know thinking it's wrong to be homophobic makes one an edgy athiest .
Thanks for normalizing homophobia though...
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how can something be bizarre if it's everywhere though
edit: i'm honestly confused not being a prick here
Did Joseph Seed shave?
Common misconception. Transness is not broached at all. Transphobic Christians point to anti-crossdressing passages as proof of that, but as we know, trans women are women and trans men are men. One could argue crossdressing being said to br sinful is problematic on it's own, which I totally and 100% agree with, but it's not got anything to do with transness.Isn't Christianity itself anti-LGBTQ and pro-life? I'm pretty sure being gay and abortions are sins in the Bible.
That's not what I meant. I know you like to view and twist everything as the most extremely negative thing possible but let's not play that game and instead just be real. By "edgy atheist" I meant not pushing my beliefs onto others like a lot of Christians do onto Atheists and people of other religions. I'm not into being like the people I dislike/hate. I believe in peace above all else.
Now that I've learned more about this particular church I can say I dislike them. They can get fucked.
Well now that you told me I do. Imposing their will on people who don't want them to is super shitty....they're advocating conversion-therapy. People were, and still are, scarred for life because of that. Gay people who attends conversion-therapy is 5 times more likely to attempt suicide than the others. And we know that the suicide-rate is already higher for LGBT+ than heteros.
You don't have any problem with that?
When I was posting in that thread, I recall it being unclear whether it was just a stance particular to the NY branch, or a brand wide teaching. Didn't see what the rest of the discussion turned up though.Seem to recall this dividing people on era last time it was brought up. Good for Ellen Page for calling it out.