Neither. It's not a sheep.
Neither. It's not a sheep.
I attended Hillsong Church when i was down in LA and there's a lot of LGBT ppl that attended the church! same when i was in New York for Hillsong NYC..
the hate for this man in this forum is crazy..
I attended Hillsong Church when i was down in LA and there's a lot of LGBT ppl that attended the church! same when i was in New York for Hillsong NYC..
the hate for this man in this forum is crazy..
Aww look at you ascribing personality traits to people you've never met. So cute.
I don't know why you're missing it but the greatest commandment doesn't say "love thy neighbor (as long as they're Christian) as you would yourself". It just says neighbor.
So if you are a Christian, and you follow the greatest commandment from Christ, then you should treat all people the way you'd like to be treated. It's simple. There were no silly rules besides that.
To be a Christian is to accept Jesus into your heart as your saviour. It's a relationship between you and him. Because he's in your heart, to be a Christian is to be Christ-like; it's breaking away from tradition. So if Jesus loved all and considered all his children, why can't all Christians do the same? When Jesus was walking around healing people, He didn't stop to ask who you were sleeping with before he healed you.
So again, why is it that a lot of them don't do this? The answer is... A lot of those who claim to be Christian use it as a crutch to hold up their fucked up moral system. They use the Bible when it's convenient, justifying their political, racist, and homophobic beliefs. It's the inherent problem with organized religion, it can be weaponized.
I attended Hillsong Church when i was down in LA and there's a lot of LGBT ppl that attended the church! same when i was in New York for Hillsong NYC..
We are a gay welcoming church but we are not a church that affirms a gay lifestyle.
He's a member of an anti-gay cult. Not sure why his gaslighting people around it should be any surprise.
I'm genuinely curious if people in this forum would also be upset that Hillsong doesn't believe anyone should have sex before marriage.
To me it seems somewhat reasonable to say that members of a church should be able to take part in a voluntary group that puts limits on expressions of sex, money, ethics, etc.
When that turns into political action as a communal level (which Hillsong has done before) I can see the conflict for sure. At that point they are trying to affect the lives of LGTBQ+ people directly.
But when a community has an alternative sexual ethic I'm genuinely curious how people respond to it. Does the teaching of "no sex before marriage" strike you as equally hateful?
That's why it's so frustrating to me. It's simply infuriating.I see what you're saying and I kinda wanna just jump in say that. For you loving jesus and loving god is enough. It's a vessel to do good and I have no problem with ideology. I wish there was more followers who thought that way. I've seen too many people use religion to hurt others but if you're actually using it for love I have no problem with it.
Having said that there are so many fucking people that want me dead, that want segregation, and hate anyone who isn't like them. The kickback isn't hard to understand, especially if you consider the history of organized religion and that things carried out "in god's name"
I just want more love in the world that's it.
I'm genuinely curious if people in this forum would also be upset that Hillsong doesn't believe anyone should have sex before marriage.
To me it seems somewhat reasonable to say that members of a church should be able to take part in a voluntary group that puts limits on expressions of sex, money, ethics, etc.
When that turns into political action as a communal level (which Hillsong has done before) I can see the conflict for sure. At that point they are trying to affect the lives of LGTBQ+ people directly.
But when a community has an alternative sexual ethic I'm genuinely curious how people respond to it. Does the teaching of "no sex before marriage" strike you as equally hateful?
Speaking of pre-marital sex, there isn't even any scripture I know of that specifically says don't do it. There's scripture against cheating while within wedlock, prostituting, and there's scripture celebrating sex between married people as a good thing. But you would think that if it was such a big deal, there would be scripture specific about it. Same with masturbation.
are those official or something? Intersex and asexual I think?He left the IA+ off of LBGTQIA+ So you know he hates gay people.
I knew he was pure evil from the moment he said he would pray for Kevin Smith! What kind of monster prays for someone?
YIKES
Holy shit Pratt's response is absolute garbage
People on ERA still defending him?
Holy shit Pratt's response is absolute garbage
People on ERA still defending him?
Holy shit Pratt's response is absolute garbage
People on ERA still defending him?
They are a part of the community, yes. Both are minorities that have to endure a lot of horrible shit. I usually write it as LGBT+ because honestly, its impossible to fit everyone without making the acronym a mess.are those official or something? Intersex and asexual I think?
I mean I'm queer but I've always been typing out LGBTQ.
I don't know what you expected, he doesn't believe his church is anti-lgbt.
Uh, really? I don't want to go too off topic, but I'd like to read about this if true. Because as far as I'm aware, most biblical scholars don't give much weight to the historicity of Moses or the Egyptian Exodus at all.there's strong evidence the first five books of the Bible were metaphorical lore created by Moses to influence people to follow his God when the only thing people were familiar with at the time was Egyptian mythology.
Then how do you know it's a good response?I thought that was a good response. Not really seeing the problem, but I don't know too much about that church.
Does the teaching of "no sex before marriage" strike you as equally hateful?
Because I don't believe you have to agree with everything in a religion/church to be apart of it.
But that's not what his response was so what are you even talking about? He straight up says the church isn't anti-LGBTQ.Because I don't believe you have to agree with everything in a religion/church to be apart of it.
Because I don't believe you have to agree with everything in a religion/church to be apart of it.
I'm not being facetious. I'm genuinely curious if you feel that them having a "statement" that people shouldn't have sex outside of marriage is offensive to all who do. I don't agree with their position on lgtbq+ people, but I'm trying to understand how people view it in light of a broader sexual ethic they seem to hold."It's not homophobia y'all it's just an alternative sexual ethic"
please
That is most definitely true.Because I don't believe you have to agree with everything in a religion/church to be apart of it.
I'm not being facetious. I'm genuinely curious if you feel that them having a "statement" that people shouldn't have sex outside of marriage is offensive to all who do. I don't agree with their position on lgtbq+ people, but I'm trying to understand how people view it in light of a broader sexual ethic they seem to hold.
You can't equate this to pre-marital sex.
Expectations of pre-marital sex don't discriminate against marginalized people the way anti-LGBTQ rhetoric does. People of every race, religion, gender, and education level engage in pre-marital sex, even when their parents or culture look down on it.
Half of the snobby elitist youth group Christians in my high school-aged bible group at church were fucking on Saturdays and "repenting" on Sunday. And when they accidentally got pregnant and therefore found out? Don't worry! There's redemption and forgiveness, btw get married even though you're only 18 because abortion is evil and you have to marry the parent of your child. But I digress.
Meanwhile, anti-LGBT rhetoric literally kills people, damages mental health, and disrupts marginalized communities with a rhetoric of elitism that condemns innocent people with a biological preference for some humans versus other humans as evil and not worthy of the same legal or spiritual rights as other. This oppression can be found in formats as harsh and obvious as violence and murder, or as soft as dismissive comments at church or campus like "shut up nobody cares that you're gay" or "we don't care that you're gay but pls don't join our activities with your 'lifestyle.'" In any case, it's hurtful to equate LGBT rights and dignity as an ethic on the same magnitude as pre-marital sex.
The only major scripture in the Bible about LGBT relations are some verses in Leviticus that arguably only apply to ancient Jews, arguably were revised to exclude same sex intentionally, and arguably are made up anyway since there's strong evidence the first five books of the Bible were metaphorical lore created by Moses to influence people to follow his God when the only thing people were familiar with at the time was Egyptian mythology. The other scriptures are in the NT and arguably only refer to pagan sex rituals and Greek customs of orgies with young boy servants in the home. None of this context applies to anything even remotely resembling most modern LGBT relationships, so LGBT don't even deserve the hate they get on a scriptural basis, either, let alone from a hippie, extremely-modernized-and-contemporary congregation like Hillsong, and it's downright damaging for people to continue to denigrate LGBT peoples' rights to the same features and facilities as straight people.
Speaking of pre-marital sex, there isn't even any scripture I know of that specifically says don't do it. There's scripture against cheating while within wedlock, prostituting, and there's scripture celebrating sex between married people as a good thing. But you would think that if it was such a big deal, there would be scripture specific about it. Same with masturbation.
Sexual ethic is the right way to talk about all sexual activity. From celibacy calls for many religious orders, to the reclaiming of language with slut walks. All of that is sexual ethic. I don't see a better way to describe the decisions people make around sex.One has fuck all to do with the other.
And there's sexual ethic again
Got a question:
Is believing that the actual ACT of homosexual intercourse/penetration is sinful homophobic? If so, I don't see how it's possible to be sincerely Christian and not homophobic.
is she calling out pratt? or the chuch? if she is going to call out him, she needs to call out everyone famous who goes there
but good on her for calling it out
All of that is sexual ethic. I don't see a better way to describe the decisions people make around sex.
She was on the same show just a week ago, so I guess that's the context.
And Chris is talking about that shitty place.
So.. are you still upset she called him out?
Why can't she just call Pratt out? Why do you want her to include everyone involved? Maybe she should launch a full blown investigation and get her hands on all of the donors.
Strawman alert! Strawman alert!