Elon Musk is not your friend - Some More News

kmfdmpig

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think people need to separate Elon Musk - a giant asshole who doesn't give a flying fuck about anyone, and Elon Musk - a pioneer in Space/Electric Cars. These are not mutually exclusive.
I think it's fairly easy to separate the two.
I hope Musk dies or shuts the fuck up forever (either way it'd be a benefit for society).
I also hope Tesla and SpaceX thrive (as both companies are doing good things despite being led by an egotistical, narcissistic, lying piece of shit).
 

The Albatross

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Oct 25, 2017
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Before people "humanize" him...?

I mean.... I really dislike Elon Musk, was never in on the cult of Elon and thought it was super weird... But y'know... He is a human.
 
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OP just copy pasted a video they saw on social media and provided no real opinion or editorial of their own. Elon Musk drives engagement as evidenced by the OP and the video they felt compelled to share. That type of engagement is irresistible to some, they have to share and react to it even if they are rightful haters of it.
 

Lost Lemurian

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I don't get billionaire worship. Trying to understand the people who constantly praise and defend Elon Musk baffles me. Billionaires are not your friend.
I think a lot of people see Musk (and Trump, and the Kardashians, and tons of other trashy, attention-seeking rich people) as hugely aspirational. So, if you criticize those people, their fans take it personally, since they'd like nothing more than to be exactly like their heroes.
 

take_marsh

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Oct 27, 2017
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That's what my friends said about Chastity down at the club, but they just don't understand our connection...
 

The Albatross

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The cult of Elon used to be a lot stronger. Go back 5 years and there was strong jesus-like vibes around him in liberal and progressive communities. More apt comparison is to Steve Jobs. Then Musk took a lot of positions that were conteaversial, said bizarre shit, had that weird interview with Joe Rogan, Stories about his abusive relationships coming out, and the sheen of Musk wore off a bit.

I think of him like Howard Hughes. Someone who has brilliance and unique vision, enough capital to take risks and have some of them pay off immensely, but because he can be so successful in some ways, his failings in other ways make a much more harmful impact.

This community is definitely more anti-Musk than the tech and online community at large. He's like Joe Rogan in that regard.
 

sph3re

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Oct 28, 2017
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Any time I see an Elon Musk thread, this is literally my reaction


Who are the people who act like he's their friend? It's like any mention of him pushing forward EV acceptance and private space transport is met with accusations of stanning or undue adoration
There's a reason this meme exists:



He's basically this generation's version of Steve Jobs, if Steve Jobs was popular for being a memelord and innovating stuff that didn't need innovating (i.e., "what if the subway, but worse") or whose innovations aren't all that groundbreaking (i.e., "what if the electric car, but it had autopilot I guess") OR whose attempts at innovating were catastrophic (i.e., "what if space travel but the spacecraft exploded").

OP just copy pasted a video they saw on social media and provided no real opinion or editorial of their own. Elon Musk drives engagement as evidenced by the OP and the video they felt compelled to share. That type of engagement is irresistible to some, they have to share and react to it even if they are rightful haters of it.
What's your #CRYPTO at right now, bro

The cult of Elon used to be a lot stronger. Go back 5 years and there was strong jesus-like vibes around him in liberal and progressive communities. More apt comparison is to Steve Jobs. Then Musk took a lot of positions that were conteaversial, said bizarre shit, had that weird interview with Joe Rogan, Stories about his abusive relationships coming out, and the sheen of Musk wore off a bit.

I think of him like Howard Hughes. Someone who has brilliance and unique vision, enough capital to take risks and have some of them pay off immensely, but because he can be so successful in some ways, his failings in other ways make a much more harmful impact.

This community is definitely more anti-Musk than the tech and online community at large. He's like Joe Rogan in that regard.
Once Musk did that Rogan interview, there was definitely a more emboldened defence of him online. It's possible that the honeymoon phase wore off for some people after Musk started taking fat[citation needed] pulls from that joint, but it definitely felt like people were coming out in droves to defend their shitposting memelord.
 

KDC720

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The video even goes into why Elon shouldn't even be considered a Tony Stark type at all. Musk isn't a scientist or an engineer, he's a dude who was born into incredibly immense privilege and likes spaceships.

He hires talented people and funnels money into SpaceX and Tesla, and thats about it, the rest of his time is spent acting like a manchild. The video describes how his other projects like Starlink or the Hyperloop are basically huge failures, and that Musk wasn't even the first to do electric cars. Everything Musk does is in the interest of making him more money, even if a couple of those things are pretty beneficial overall.
 
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Keasar

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I think people need to separate Elon Musk - a giant asshole who doesn't give a flying fuck about anyone, and Elon Musk - a pioneer in Space/Electric Cars. These are not mutually exclusive.
He isn't though.

It is exactly what is gone through in the video. He didn't pioneer shit except the socket of charging ports on cars to have a specific shape so it would only be compatible with specific (meaning Tesla owned) products. He isn't an innovator. He's an ass with a lot of money hiring other people to do the bothersome thinky bit and then cultivate the personality cult around him of people who thinks he is Tony Stark incarnate.
 

Stuntman

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Oct 27, 2017
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Some of the replies in this thread are proof that every time that this fucker gets publicity or buzz from mainstream sources (News, SNL, etc) it needs to be reminded that he's a a rich white guy grifter that pretty much has bought all his "accomplishments" from other people through lies, exploitation and abuse. Also that this guy walks pretty close with alt-righters pieces of shit and that in itself should be enough to criticize him.
 

Leandras

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think even those talking about separating the man from his work should watch the video. It extensively goes into how even that perception of him is a con.

I'll never understand the love the western world has for this out of touch Apartheid beneficiary.
 

AIan

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Oct 20, 2019
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He comes across as condescending in most of the interviews he's in. Never been a fan.
 

The Albatross

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I think people need to separate Elon Musk - a giant asshole who doesn't give a flying fuck about anyone, and Elon Musk - a pioneer in Space/Electric Cars. These are not mutually exclusive.
I don't think you can or should.

It's like separating Steve Jobs, a brilliant visionary in consumer electronics, from Steve Jobs, an absentee father who mentally abused people who loved him. Or John Lennon, one of the great musicians of the 20th century, from John Lennon a serial abuser. Hemingway the greatest American author from Hemingway the perpetually drunk and serially abusive. This is who these people are, and especially with Musk there isn't any desire to hide that he's a giant asshole, he seems to revel in it at times, so there's some aspect of him that makes him flawed but also successful.
 

Lord Bandi

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Yeah, but some people are straight up obsessed with the guy. They need to realise that he's not "le internet funny man", he's a pretty big fucking asshole and we should treat him as such.
there’s people who are straight obsessed with “insert random celebrity here”

Look at the last 4 years and the Presidency, their are people who insanely devoted to Trump and need not I remind you he isn’t your friend.

You literally transpose anyone or any company into this.
 

AIan

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Yeah, but some people are straight up obsessed with the guy. They need to realise that he's not "le internet funny man", he's a pretty big fucking asshole and we should treat him as such.
People seem to not care about the danger of following a public figure. Joe Rogan for example may seem innocuous until he starts spouting nonsense like young people not needing to take a vaccine. Yet, Joe's fanbase gobbles that shit up. Trusting a personality rather than an expert seems to be the trend lately and it sucks.
 

Billfisto

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there’s people who are straight obsessed with “insert random celebrity here”

Look at the last 4 years and the Presidency, their are people who insanely devoted to Trump and need not I remind you he isn’t your friend.

You literally transpose anyone or any company into this.
No you can't.

Also, "People love Trump" doesn't somehow invalidate "People shouldn't think Elon is their friend."
 

StereoVSN

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Watched the video and its kind of eh. It's mixing in real issues with Musk and at same time taking potshots. Tesla build its charging station infrastructure and the video author is blaming Musk for not opening to other companies. He is blaming Musk for focusing on space vs climate change, and there is other similar stuff in there.

Musk sucks as a person, yes, but even if you take Tesla that he bought. Without Musk, it would have been yet another dead startup. He pushed to get that actually working and made Tesla at the forefront of electric industry. Does anyone really think we would be where we are with electric cars without Tesla being as big as it is? Sure we would get there eventually but Tesla lit a fire underneath bunch of brands and showed others that you can make money selling electric cars.

SpaceX is another thing that is a true innovator and Musk was instrumental there.

So Musk is an ass and a terrible person. Musk is intrumental in getting Tesla and Spacex to be what they are. I don't see a contradiction. Doesn't make him less of an ass or a better person of course.
 

Billfisto

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it’s not to invalidate it, it’s to draw a parallel, it’s the same damn situation. Trump has a defense force, Musk has one.

People genuinely believe Trump is there for them.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. A parallel between two of the highest-profile cases. Both cases of uncritical worship of people with clear character flaws are bad, yes.

There are plenty of CEOs without cults of personality.
 

Billfisto

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Watched the video and its kind of eh. It's mixing in real issues with Musk and at same time taking potshots. Tesla build its charging station infrastructure and the video author is blaming Musk for not opening to other companies. He is blaming Musk for focusing on space vs climate change, and there is other similar stuff in there.
Those are real issues. If Musk was actually interested in encouraging the growth of electric vehicles he'd open it up to other companies. If Musk was actually concerned about the future of the human race, he'd work on bettering the planet we actually have.

It's "environmentalism" as a whitewash for what Musk actually wants:
  1. Money
  2. Fame
  3. To play with the toys he likes.
 

m_shortpants

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Oct 25, 2017
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The video even goes into why Elon shouldn't even be considered a Tony Stark type at all. Musk isn't a scientist or an engineer, he's a dude who was born into incredibly immense privilege and likes spaceships.

He hires talented people and funnels money into SpaceX and Tesla, and thats about it, the rest of his time is spent acting like a manchild. The video describes how his other projects like Starlink or the Hyperloop are basically huge failures, and that Musk wasn't even the first to do electric cars. Everything Musk does is in the interest of making him more money, even if a couple of those things are pretty beneficial overall.
This is simply not true, even according to people who worked closely with Musk at SpaceX, such as Jim Cantrell and others. He definitely gets involved in the engineering and technical sides, way more than most CEOs.

He's a massive asshole and arguably a bad person, but he is not hands off.

Also, the argument in the video on why Starlink is bad is weak at best. Why is he complaining that it costs $100 a month? Does he know how much shitty satellite internet costs for dial up tier speeds in rural areas?
 
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Koklusz

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Oct 27, 2017
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there’s people who are straight obsessed with “insert random celebrity here”

Look at the last 4 years and the Presidency, their are people who insanely devoted to Trump and need not I remind you he isn’t your friend.

You literally transpose anyone or any company into this.
Folks that lack charisma themselves are attracted to ones that have it. And this is why we need videos like this. We need, as a culture, to stop putting successful people on the pedestal just because they are successful.
 
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Jakenbakin

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Jun 17, 2018
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OP just copy pasted a video they saw on social media and provided no real opinion or editorial of their own. Elon Musk drives engagement as evidenced by the OP and the video they felt compelled to share. That type of engagement is irresistible to some, they have to share and react to it even if they are rightful haters of it.
We have a thread on like every episode of Some More News what are you even talking about.

Edit: many even posted by the same OP.
 

biggy

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Dec 12, 2017
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p tired of Elon musk threads tbh, this place is obsessed with him
There will be three types of responses in this thread.
  • "No shit." Techbros will techbro.
  • "But what about his accomplishments?" You gotta separate the tech from the bro. We're going to the moon baby.
  • "I WILL DIE FOR PAPA MUSK."
Nostradamus over here 🙄
 
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StereoVSN

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Those are real issues. If Musk was actually interested in encouraging the growth of electric vehicles he'd open it up to other companies. If Musk was actually concerned about the future of the human race, he'd work on bettering the planet we actually have.

It's "environmentalism" as a whitewash for what Musk actually wants:
  1. Money
  2. Fame
  3. To play with the toys he likes.
I never said Musk wants environmentalism, betterment of human kind or anything like that. He is a giant asshole billionaire. Of course the 3 items above are what he wants.

However, it doesn't preclude that he pushed electric car industry forward, SpaceX is making space more accessible and cheaper. Now, the reasons he does it are perhaps wrong, but the impact to the better for everyone is still there.
 

sph3re

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I never said Musk wants environmentalism, betterment of human kind or anything like that. He is a giant asshole billionaire. Of course the 3 items above are what he wants.

However, it doesn't preclude that he pushed electric car industry forward, SpaceX is making space more accessible and cheaper. Now, the reasons he does it are perhaps wrong, but the impact to the better for everyone is still there.
uh
 

fanboi

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I am not sure why, but this dude live rent free in so many peoples heads.
Don't give him any fucking attention.
 

StereoVSN

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The fact that he is pursuing other shit doesn't mean that a)Tesla didn't help to push electric industry forward and b)SpaceX is absolutely revolutionary in that arena. Musk got that off the ground. Now days, you could probably (and wouldn't that be nice) kick him out and everything roll forward, but without Musk there would be no Tesla or SpaceX as we know them today.

Still personally really dislike him.
 

sph3re

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The fact that he is pursuing other shit doesn't mean that a)Tesla didn't help to push electric industry forward and b)SpaceX is absolutely revolutionary in that arena. Musk got that off the ground. Now days, you could probably (and wouldn't that be nice) kick him out and everything roll forward, but without Musk there would be no Tesla or SpaceX as we know them today.

Still personally really dislike him.
What has SpaceX done that has increased "the impact to the better for everyone," as per your last tweet

And how is it more effective than him using his wealth to help fix the Earth
 

ginger ninja

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Oct 25, 2017
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This forum's obsessions with Elon is pure cringe. I mean fuck that guy but it's clear some of y'all are hurting from all the publicity he is getting. And how do you respond ? By making more threads about that fucko and perpetuating the cycle.
 

StereoVSN

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What has SpaceX done that has increased "the impact to the better for everyone," as per your last tweet

And how is it more effective than him using his wealth to help fix the Earth
Billionaires will never use wealth to help fix Earth, lets be real.

SpaceX has made rockets much more re-usable . It lowered price of launches so it's cheaper for smaller companies to access space. Potentially that can lead to things like Asteroid mining as one example (far in the future). Problem being of course we are going to get Expanse vs Star Trek, but that's a conversation for another thread.
 

Apharmd

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Oct 25, 2017
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I am not sure why, but this dude live rent free in so many peoples heads.
Don't give him any fucking attention.
Elon Musk is the 3rd richest person on the planet. "Don't give him any fucking attention" doesn't really work. It's good for people to get the word out on what Musk actually is about.
 
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So many people chafing at the premise of this video, hand-waving criticisms, and focusing energies exclusively on ad hominem attacking Some More News.

But no, Era doesn't also have a Musk problem and this video doesn't need to exist or be shared.

Tesla and SpaceX are cool. Fascinating and cutting-edge endeavours, which will shape human history (for better or worse). It is understandable that some people would develop a fixation/affection for the man behind both and be more inclined to pardon him and deflect criticism. But maybe, instead, we could step back and reflect a bit?

Like he's one of the most powerful and influential people on Earth with a massive collection of admirers. He uses his platform to spread misinformation and undermine important collective efforts, particularly anything that doesn't align with his specific ambitions. And... we should ignore him? We shouldn't talk about him and share analysis about how he's problematic and undeserving of worship? Instead, we should patronize any discussion as obvious and "cringe"?

Don't take this post as surprise. I'm not surprised. It's still disappointing, though.
 

Dirtyshubb

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Don't really need a 43 minute video to say " he isn't your friend" or whatever that guy is about to say tho... 🤔

Don't idolize celebrities. There. I said it.

XD
It's actually pretty informative, maybe not for someone who has followed everything to do with Musk but it goes into all of his lauded businesses and actions, what was good, what was bad and is a great video.

But I will never hear a bad word about Cody and Some More News because it's one of the best channels out there.
 

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So many people chafing at the premise of this video, hand-waving criticisms, and focusing energies exclusively on ad hominem attacking Some More News.

But no, Era doesn't also have a Musk problem and this video doesn't need to exist or be shared.

Tesla and SpaceX are cool. Fascinating and cutting-edge endeavours, which will shape human history (for better or worse). It is understandable that some people would develop a fixation/affection for the man behind both and be more inclined to pardon him and deflect criticism. But maybe, instead, we could step back and reflect a bit?

Like he's one of the most powerful and influential people on Earth with a massive collection of admirers. He uses his platform to spread misinformation and undermine important collective efforts, particularly anything that doesn't align with his specific ambitions. And... we should ignore him? We shouldn't talk about him and share analysis about how he's problematic and undeserving of worship? Instead, we should patronize any discussion as obvious and "cringe"?

Don't take this post as surprise. I'm not surprised. It's still disappointing, though.
its also annoying that despite posts like these, more people are coming in to say "yeah of course he's not my friend we dont play the same consoles 😎 "
 

Nairume

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I think people need to separate Elon Musk - a giant asshole who doesn't give a flying fuck about anyone, and Elon Musk - a pioneer in Space/Electric Cars. These are not mutually exclusive.
Except the Elon Musk who is a "pioneer" in space/electric cars is also a giant asshole in those areas to in a way that hurts and undermines those things.
 
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I've never watched one of these videos before and it's not really telling me anything I don't already know, but it's entertaining and cathartic to see it laid out like this.
 

Joe

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Technically water isn’t wet. Wet is what water makes (most) things in comes into contact with. Water is just water.

Sorry, had to :)

Oh and fuck Elon Musk
Water isn’t wet though. The act of wetting something is what makes it wet, but water itself isn’t.
Is this, like, the newest grade school gotcha? When I was a kid it was "black technically isn't a color!" or "your thumb technically isn't a finger!" but I've never heard this silliness.

Even if you define wetness as "water sticking to a thing", water is wet. Water sticks to itself. It's called cohesion, and it's a very important property of water!