I'm not saying it should totally replace the income they had from a job, just enough to be above the poverty line and be able to function properly in society.It's not right, but the last few years America has been insulting the Arts while telling people STEM degrees are the only ones worth it "because those get you jobs".
The thing is, I'm a full proponent of raising UBI over time. You can't use $12k to replace the $48-70k a trucker earns, after all. An incremental increase over the next ten years that's automatic, working its way up to $24k would be solid. But we've also got to get over the idea that people can/should live alone until they have a family. America's really attached to the idea that you're not successful if you're living with parents or roommates past college.
Have you ever known anyone happy to be stuck at the poverty line ? Noone wants to be stuck at bare minimum which is what ubi would bePeople will stop going to school because there's no need to get educated if you're receiving free money. The wealthy would only get more powerful while the general population becomes dumb and submissive.
Well I hope you're correct that it would be the bare minimum.Have you ever known anyone happy to be stuck at the poverty line ? Noone wants to be stuck at bare minimum which is what ubi would be
I think a lot of people are wary because a lot of the people that support him have a libertarian, GGer, or even alt-right tilt.I really don't get the anti-Yang sentiment here. Did he ever say/do anything bad of note? I'm genuinely curious, he's not my top candidate but he doesn't seem at all like a bad guy.
I think a lot of people are wary because a lot of the people that support him have a libertarian, GGer, or even alt-right tilt.
I personally like the guy and like that he's for Medicare for All, but still don't like his policies on other things.
I really don't get the anti-Yang sentiment here. Did he ever say/do anything bad of note? I'm genuinely curious, he's not my top candidate but he doesn't seem at all like a bad guy.
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He supports him because Elon has been very outspoken in favor of UBI for years and years now.
The incentive to learn so you can get a job is bigger than you think I feel.
Straight trolling..
Seems like you are more familiar with the topic, are there already some ideas floating around what will happen if we see price hikes in rent and general cost of living? I assume that once we have 1k$ per month guranteed at our disposal, quite a few landlords and such want to grab some cash.
Theres no way he inhaled that
He is a wanna be tech bros.The most confusing part of the far left's reaction to Yang is calling him a tech bro. He's a lawyer who ran a test prep company then an entrepreneurship program. The charitable interpretation is they assume he's from tech because his key issue is automation but the sad reality is that it's likely just a racist assumption because he's Asian.
Yang addressed this in his recent H3H3 interview and his answer on the housing piece was pretty shaky. The idea is that the UBI and other proposed incentives would enable people to move more freely, which is probably true but not strong enough to be a real factor. That said, the other main costs of consumer goods, healthcare, and education are addressed well enough, and it's not like rent control or zoning regulations are implemented at a high enough level for the president to have power over them.
He'd be a good labor or commerce secretary.I'm not voting for Yang in the primaries, but I think, as other people have said, it's worth keeping him in the debates simply to bring these conversations to the table. Even if his plan is flawed, simply talking about UBI and how we will work around automation I think is beneficial and helps expand people's ideas about what is possible. I also like his demeanor in how he approaches the topics.
Why?I'd be hard pressed to agree with anyone that a silicon valley tech millionaire would support
That tweet by Yang is actually exactly why I want to support him. I think there are more rounded and capable candidates who I'd support first, but that type of scientific attitude is exactly what I'd want in a president. It's nice to see.
One of the most absurd things about political discourse to me has always been criticism of changing positions. Not what they changed their position to, but simply the act of changing positions at all. I hate the stupid ass gotcha videos and I hate the lazy "this guy said this thing once and therefore x" line of thought. People change, their positions change, it should be commended when someone is presented with more/better information and changes their mind.
Not sure why people are so against musk on this forum , he's probably doing more for humanity than anyone else rigt now but that's another thread, yang seems like a solid person and ubi in some form will be a necessity in the furure, I'm glad candidates like Yang are getting support from influential and intelligent people. Yang, sanders and warren seem like the only 3 semi trustworthy candidates so any support for them
Is good in my book
He is a clown and you are happily eating his PR campaign.Not sure why people are so against musk on this forum , he's probably doing more for humanity than anyone else rigt now but that's another thread, yang seems like a solid person and ubi in some form will be a necessity in the furure, I'm glad candidates like Yang are getting support from influential and intelligent people. Yang, sanders and warren seem like the only 3 semi trustworthy candidates so any support for them
Is good in my book
The trades are actually alive and well. It's just that college degree is the new high school diploma.The trades are a thing and they are dying because of the "you must get at least a bachelors degree, preferably a graduate degree" mentality. You're acting like the current setup gives us the optimal societal outcome when it's pretty far from it.
I really don't get the anti-Yang sentiment here. Did he ever say/do anything bad of note? I'm genuinely curious, he's not my top candidate but he doesn't seem at all like a bad guy.
Most of them adopt a libertarian point of view and will still do everything possible to make sure they have to give up none of their massive wealth
thank you, this post made me laugh a lot. "musk does more for humanity than anyone else right now" is the funniest shit i've read all weekNot sure why people are so against musk on this forum , he's probably doing more for humanity than anyone else rigt now but that's another thread, yang seems like a solid person and ubi in some form will be a necessity in the furure, I'm glad candidates like Yang are getting support from influential and intelligent people. Yang, sanders and warren seem like the only 3 semi trustworthy candidates so any support for them
Is good in my book
UBI would be great but not the way Yang proposed it. A real UBI without cutting existing social programs is the way to go
Where exactly do people keep getting this from? Yangs proposal does no such thing. He just assumes many people will forgo using existing benefits in favor of the UBI because it comes with no stigma or requirements and would give people more freedom... In no way shape or form does his plan cut any existing benefits or programs.
Andrew proposes funding the Freedom Dividend by consolidating some welfare programs and implementing a Value-Added Tax (VAT) of 10%. Current welfare and social program beneficiaries would be given a choice between their current benefits or $1,000 cash unconditionally – most would prefer cash with no restriction.
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The means to pay for the Freedom Dividend will come from 4 sources:
1. Current spending. We currently spend between $500 and $600 billion a year on welfare programs, food stamps, disability and the like. This reduces the cost of the Freedom Dividend because people already receiving benefits would have a choice but would be ineligible to receive the full $1,000 in addition to current benefits.
Wrongo:
His own website
See, consolidation will lead to cuts and making people choose between their current benefits and a measly 1k per month will result in people that need them either not being eligible or losing their benefits.
What is the issue with cutting existing social programs that overlap in purpose of a ubi? I see ubi as social security for all so you could phase that out. No need for unemployment or at least at the percentage it is now. Food stamps and housing assistance could be dramatically reduced or eliminated as well. Disability needs to stay. From what I recall Yang's plan was to give people the option to choose ubi or existing programs for whatever they get the most benefit from.UBI would be great but not the way Yang proposed it. A real UBI without cutting existing social programs is the way to go
It's funnier still when you consider the policy doesn't actually add up, especially for a someone who claims to love maths.Wrongo:
His own website
See, consolidation will lead to cuts and making people choose between their current benefits and a measly 1k per month will result in people that need them either not being eligible or losing their benefits.