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Has anyone here from a Jewish background done this before and how easy was it? I'm thinking of trying to do so. I know a few people there and the healthcare provided through the state is good and good weed is plentiful the the laws are lax about it. It's also really safe and modern. Is it a fairly easy process? I currently have U.S. citizenship.
 

Cocolina

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There are better places to go to smoke weed that have better healthcare than USA.

This is a bait thread.
 

Dust

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Has anyone here from a Jewish background done this before and how easy was it? I'm thinking of trying to do so. I know a few people there and the healthcare provided through the state is good and good weed is plentiful the the laws are lax about it. It's also really safe and modern. Is it a fairly easy process? I currently have U.S. citizenship.
Do you like people tell you USA is the most amazing thing ever and everyone else is shit?
Imagine that times 10.
 

aerie

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You literally have to worry about whether the mall will blow up when you go out for the day.

Also how much do you like nationalism?
Its honestly quite a bit safer than you're implying, and they currently live in the US, they are likely very used to the domestic terrorist terrorist attacks of the nearly daily mass shootings and high levels of nationalism, it'll certainly be to a stronger degree in Israel, but i'm sure OP is somewhat aware. Just because someone is interested in moving to Israel doesn't mean they are supportive of its government, it still can be an amazing place with amazing people, lets not forget that and try to keep this civil, it seems like we often handle this topic quite poorly.
 
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Well you won't have to deal with antisemitism, but you will have to deal with supporting a government as fascists as Trump's which is enforcing white supremacy and ethnic cleansing just like Trump wants in America.
So in terms of politics you are between a rock and a hard place, but I'd say Israel is worse and will get worse over time. If it continues its way (And all points in that direction) I'd expect sanctions from the outside, violence inside and economic decline, and you'd have to deal with the moral weight of supporting an Apartheid.
Trump can lose the next election and is hated by most, Netanyahu will win again.
 

Westbahnhof

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Has anyone here from a Jewish background done this before and how easy was it? I'm thinking of trying to do so. I know a few people there and the healthcare provided through the state is good and good weed is plentiful the the laws are lax about it. It's also really safe and modern. Is it a fairly easy process? I currently have U.S. citizenship.
The guy I used to rent my apartment from here in Vienna kicked me out in order to sell his propery off, as he was planning to open/buy a hotel in Tel Aviv. If he is to be believed, you make more money, the people are nicer, and everything in general is just better, at least better than in Austria. The women are more beautiful and people have more respect, for example.

Do you like people tell you USA is the most amazing thing ever and everyone else is shit?
Imagine that times 10.
Hah, yeah, sounds about right
 

ThatWasAJoke

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Has anyone here from a Jewish background done this before and how easy was it? I'm thinking of trying to do so. I know a few people there and the healthcare provided through the state is good and good weed is plentiful the the laws are lax about it. It's also really safe and modern. Is it a fairly easy process? I currently have U.S. citizenship.
My Dad went to live their in the 1980s and joined the army. Left after 10 years but said he loved it. Just make sure you go Tel Aviv/Haifa and not Jerusalem. Sorry can't help you other than that but good luck.
Can't tell if you're talking about the US or Israel.
True

Also Israelis are generally pretty nice in my experience buy TERRIBLE drivers. Super aggressive and start honking for you to move even before lights are green
 

SugarNoodles

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Its honestly quite a bit safer than you're implying, and they currently live in the US, they are likely very used to the domestic terrorist terrorist attacks of the nearly daily mass shootings and high levels of nationalism, it'll certainly be to a stronger degree in Israel, but i'm sure OP is somewhat aware. Just because someone is interested in moving to Israel doesn't mean they are supportive of its government, it still can be an amazing place with amazing people, lets not forget that and try to keep this civil, it seems like we often handle this topic extremely poorly.
Civil? Let's not sugar coat this. No one was saying that the US doesnt suffer from problems.

How much % ancestry do you need?
1 grandparent iirc. Good enough for to be targeted by Hitler is good enough for Israel to consider you Jewish.
 

aerie

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IIRC ShimshonNehorai had similar plans.

Not sure if he's still around but you could send him a PM or hit up Jew Era OT
I believe ShimshonNehorai has left Era after several complaints of strong antisemitic undertones when discussing the subject of Israel from within some parts of our community, not just people being critical of the Israel government. Its a big reason why I think we need to be a bit more cautious of how we approach the subject and am hoping its something we can improve on, but of course i do understand why conversation around it can be so heated.
 
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Can someone please give us a real answer and tell the man how many butt-cheeks he could spread for $300 at an Israeli strip club? If it's more than 3 you have a deal.
 

aerie

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It also gets really hot and boring!
Civil? Let's not sugar coat this. No one was saying that the US doesnt suffer from problems.
I was just trying to do a simple contrast between the two as honestly your basic way of life wouldn't be too different as most parts of Israel are quite safe, though there certainly are parts you'd want to avoid, but really i shouldn't have been quite so aggressive with my examples, its rather early and I've had a terrible sleep and my its coming off in my grumpy tone.
 
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Apzu

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Well if you want to migrate based on jewish citizenship, you could check if you have sephardic ancestry. Portugal and Spain have a special process of citizenship for descendants of sephardic jews who were expelled by the countries' inquisition.
 
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Well if you want to migrate based on jewish citizenship, you could check if you have sephardic ancestry. Portugal and Spain have a special process of citizenship for descendants of sephardic jews who were expelled by the countries' inquisition.
I'm Ashkenazi actually. Family from Germany and Poland.
 

Red Arremer

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If it's solely for the purpose of moving to somewhere with solid healthcare and laxer laws on marijuana, the Netherlands are a good pick. There's also Spain (especially if as Apzu mentioned, you fall into the sephardic ancestry program), which isn't as good but still alright. Possessing cannabis also is decriminalized in many EU countries, of which the Central/Western ones have good healthcare for the most part. Though if you do look at the alternatives here in Europe, I do not recommend moving to Austria, especially in the next few years. Antisemitism is heavily on the rise now that two right wing parties have been elected into power. I'm actually kind of concerned for my safety. :/
 

KimiNewt

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I live in Tel-Aviv. I was born in Israel so I can't tell you how easy it is, but I have many immigrant friends and it seemed easy for them, if you can prove Jewish ancestry. They also get some help package from the government (basically money every month for the first year or something, but you might have to return some of it if you leave quickly. You should check it out, anyway).

As for living here, there are pros and cons. If you tell people you emigrated from the US they will most likely gawk and say "what the fuck? Why?"
I can give more specific notes if you say where you're from and what do you do.

Pros, compared to the US:
- Health care and social services are better.
- In some specific fields there is more employment.
- No antisemitism if that's a concern for you.
- Safer (terrorism included).

Cons:
- High cost of living, especially rent and food costs.
- People are almost ubiquitously rude.
- Customer service is terrible.
- There's no public transport on Saturday and many stores close on Saturday, especially outside of tel aviv.
- If you can get EU citizenship, there are countries with the same pros and none of the cons.
 

Red Arremer

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- If you can get EU citizenship, there are countries with the same pros and none of the cons.

That is not true. Catholic-dominated countries have the stores closing on Sunday instead of Saturday, cost of housing is expensive here as well (urban places at least), and especially in big cities you will find rude people everywhere.
And customer service is terrible everywhere in the world lol.
 

theaface

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My brother in law emigrated from the UK to Tel Aviv probably close to 10 years ago now. He did his military service and has since settled down, met his wife there and has a job in marketing. It has its challenges but ultimately I guess he felt it was working it as he's decided not to move back. I know, from the UK at least, a lot of people who try don't stick it out beyond 5 years.
 

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Can you just move to Israel on a whim like that? I'd think they'd at least want to you to be interested in connecting to your heritage, not just looking to go somewhere else just because.

Can't tell if you're talking about the US or Israel.

Wow so surprised this joke came from the guy that caped for NK and said the US was worse

I believe ShimshonNehorai has left Era after several complaints of strong antisemitic undertones when discussing the subject of Israel from within some parts of our community, not just people being critical of the Israel government. Its a big reason why I think we need to be a bit more cautious of how we approach the subject and am hoping its something we can improve on, but of course i do understand why conversation around it can be so heated.

To be fair, disagreeing with him or questioning his links would get you accused of being antisemetic. He supports something that people take serious issue with and he was unprepared to handle those challenges. If you support something so controversial, you have to know people will confront you.
 

aerie

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To be fair, disagreeing with him or questioning his links would get you accused of being antisemetic. He supports something that people take serious issue with and he was unprepared to handle those challenges. If you support something so controversial, you have to know people will confront you.
Oh, indeed, and i had quite a long conversation with ShimshonNehorai about it all as it was important not to confuse being critical of Israel and some if its policy with actual antisemitism as i feel can happen sometimes, and did feel they were perhaps doing, but after some examples and conversation on it i could see where they were coming from with some posters words and attitudes. I do have some Jewish heritage myself but i'm really not connected with it and antisemitism isn't something I've ever really directly faced in my life, despite knowing of course its a very widespread and serious issue even today, so its kind of something i'm trying to have a greater perspective on.
 
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You could move to California, Washington, Colorado, The Netherlands, pretty much anywhere in Western Europe, etc all before moving to Israel and supporting a fascist, racist, occupying, apartheid regime with your tax money.
 
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Can't tell if you're talking about the US or Israel.

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Ghost Rider

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My fiancée went to Israel as part of the birthright program. She lived there for over a year and taught English there. Her uncle moved to Israel about 30 years ago and has lived there since. She said it was fairly easy to go there and said it was one of the most wonderful experiences she had
 

Golden_Pigeon

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Since Israel existence is tied to a fragile regional and international dynamic (if the US decide to end it's support, it's over), i wouldnt do that, even only from a very pragmatic perspective.
It's like moving to the white part of Algiers in the 50s.
 

entremet

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If you're Jewish it's rather great. Second hand testimony from people I know that have expatriated there. Huge tech sector as well.
 

molnizzle

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That is not true. Catholic-dominated countries have the stores closing on Sunday instead of Saturday, cost of housing is expensive here as well (urban places at least), and especially in big cities you will find rude people everywhere.
And customer service is terrible everywhere in the world lol.
There are EU countries that aren't catholic-dominated though. If you can obtain EU citizenship from a particular country you can move anywhere else in the EU.
 
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That is not true. [/B]Catholic-dominated countries have the stores closing on Sunday instead of Saturday[/b], cost of housing is expensive here as well (urban places at least), and especially in big cities you will find rude people everywhere.
And customer service is terrible everywhere in the world lol.
Uhm that's not true, for one and unlike Israel no country in Western Europe has an official religion that permeates the law and civil life, (Good luck divorcing in Israel as a woman lol) and talking about "Catholic Domination" in 2018 is a bit of a stretch.
For two, of course not all shops are open since people have a right to a vacation every once in a while, but it's not like you can't buy a fucking loaf of bread on Sundays lol.
 

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i wouldn't feel ok immigrating to a country whose existence and government is the source of oppression and suffering for millions of people. the idea of moving into a apartheid state doesn't really seem appealing to me.
you do you tho op

This is like a white person asking if emigrating to Apartheid South Africa is a good idea.
basically this
 

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This is like a white person asking if emigrating to Apartheid South Africa is a good idea.
 

FeliciaFelix

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i wouldn't feel ok immigrating to a country whose existence and government is the source of oppression and suffering for millions of people. the idea of moving into a apartheid state doesn't really seem appealing to me.
you do you tho op

Ahnno, I live in the US and I'm doing ok.

(Oh, beaten like a coal miner's self worth)