Discussion in 'Video Games' started by WetWaffle, Aug 8, 2018.
Some of you don't seem to think critically about laws, and just accept at face value that anything illegal must be unethical/immoral.
I think some people are allowed to be unhappy about this news, insomuch that others really shouldn't dictate directly to them about how they should think and/or feel about it.
There’s been countless times over the years when beta copies of older games are found and go up for auction and end up being locked away by someone who thinks they’ll have something to retire on or “hold it for ransom” to people who will archive it and release it online.
If companies provided means for us to play these games in reasonable way, in financially reasonable way, as in, let me buy it and NOT stream it. Then I wouldn’t have a problem with this. But they rarely do or farm it out to companies like Digital Eclipse, they mean well and try hard to be accurate to the games but they have a mixed record of porting games (Street Fighter 30th compilation comes to mind)
- Get the original cart used for an unreasonable price
- Play it on the Wii VC (no longer available)
- Download a ROM
- Get a repro cart (I bought one for $20)
Well, that sucks.
We're talking less than 10% of all games on the site being still commercially available.
I'm torn, mostly because I've never really understood the difference between this and buying a used copy of the game since the original creators don't see a penny either way. But I guess capitalism makes the difference.
I hope game archivists keep some of these games alive.
I work at a private university library with pretty extensive archives and this is how we do things. Public universities are typically even more open, but even most private university libraries try to provide public access as best they can.
I already bought this game on the Wii Virtual Console, the DS, PS1 Disc, PSN, Apple Store and Google Play and now a Reproduction cartridge so I can play it on the real console. The only version I think that I haven't bought is the Steam version and I am sure I will get around to it one day. If people downloading ROMS of a game I have bought over and over again doesn't bother me, why does it bother you?
The end goal of preservation is preservation, not access, but even if it was access, its not access now.
Talking about the demise of emuparadise hosting ROM links - and again, look at what their top downloaded titles are if those are still up; it is not titles that are impossible to obtain legally, or obscure titles where nobody knows where the ownership lies - as though it is the sacking of the Grat Library of Alexandria is like talking about shutting down Silk Road as a blow to free enterprise.
I'm not even AGAINST emulation as current laws are clearly stacked against the public and we really need to revisit how games fall into public domain compared to other mediums because currently they really don't unless the developer lets it happen. Also how the hell is it a hot take to say people would use ROMs obtained online for no money? Because of course they would.
Was curious if they had actual stats they published themselves.
I don't care about the people who download roms for old games.
But if you are profiting off of someone elses work and not paying them a piece of what you get you should be shut down. I have zero sympathy for the site owners.
If we're just preserving things for the sake of preservation, what are we doing? What's the point?
It is open to users, but only those with an official reason to access it.
Sorry, I added to the post and you may have missed it so I will post it here:
When one falls another will rise. Not a story really.
If it is needed for work, it gets expensed.
I think there's a perfectly good argument discussion emulation and preservation and what goes on with that, but across this thread we do see multiple examples of people openly advocating or admitting to piracy, which is against our FAQ.
Reopening the thread - there are largely good discussions happening in here, but keep in mind, admitting to piracy on this site is not allowed.
Another thought that I had while the thread was closed, is that eventually GOG.com will run into a wall licensing old PC games because they'll eventually run out of games that can be licensed without a huge amount of detective work... should GOG consider selling old console games? A lot of their DOS games use DOSBox already, so they are not averse to packaging emulators.
And NES games used to be licensed to PC when GameTap was an extent service. So it's not a matter of Nintendo saying NES/SNES games can't be sold on PC at all -- there are already SNES games on Steam (Legend & Jim Power being two of them).
I think GOG definitely should consider at the very least tapping into the back catalogues of older computers like the Amiga, Commodore 64, Spectrum, etc. But also consider the NES, SNES, SMS, etc. Get in touch with third party companies, as well as Hamster who licenses a lot of old games.
What?! arggghh i was about to buy a NES Classic. Just my luck i'm telling you >(
End of an era, site helped my dad find me a ton of games for consoles we could not afford growing up and discover series that are no longer sold. Did not use it much in the last few years but was always my go to for an old strategy guide for use or random nostalgia reading.
Well that's a shame. I'm firmly in the camp that believes old titles should be freely available to play, in the same sense that old works are no longer trademarked after an established time.
The never ported arcade games is what I always think when people talk about preservation through emulation .... I live in brazil so that is another universe but even in the USA it is hard to find good places with old arcade games
Damn. End of an era. Great game archive, shame it got taken down.
Don't know why Nintendo couldn't have worked with them to build an online storefront for all of those games. I guess EmuParadise messed up either way, who would want to work with a company committing mass copyright infringement?
If this is about game preservation, only abandonware would be hosted, roms would be distributed upon request on a case by case basis, games would be taken down when it get re-release after times. They are running on ads dollar not donation or patreon
This is not it, people got a free ride, be glad it lasted as long as it did and be hopeful the games are not lost. Because as someone said it, there's no feasible way to get shits like Tool's Time on SNES.
Would not having these sites stop cloning? No.
A clone seller will get the original copy anyway if the sites didn't exist and would gain much more than if the sites did exist because then people are forced to buy the cloned version if they wanted to play the game.
Right now atleast the cloned copies don't give the pirates profits as much as it would if there wasn't any time sites.
Most emulators have no commercial use restrictions in their licenses.
Emulator authors don't want game companies profiting off their work, any more than game companies want people profiting off their work by distributing ROMs.
GameTap wrote/licensed emulators, but the service didn't take off. People didn't want to pay for emulated games.
AtGames is constantly derided for its emulation quality. The NES/SNES Classic get praise, but Nintendo invested quite a bit of effort into crafting those emulators.
If GoG could package games up in MAME or a console emulator at no cost (like it can with DOSBox) we'd likely see console titles. Especially Genesis ones. If GoG has to pay to develop a bespoke emulator at M2 levels of quality, just to be able to sell Genesis ROMs w/o the Internet saying "they have shit emulation," that's going to be a hefty investment.
But maybe more Cifaldi, because he's actively archiving all sorts of shit including press kits and such. He more than almost anyone has an accurate perspective on where this Emuparadise news fits into the whole preservation/archival thing.
only 3 companies license higan (and none of them being anything on the scale of a Capcom/Konami/Square or EA/Ubisoft) even though it is one of the best SNES emulators around.