Ensign Kim (Star Trek: Voyager) may be the most useless character of any long running TV series

SolCJohnson

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Voayager felt like a very sexually frustrated show.


7 of 9. Enough said.

Harry Kim almost never gets laid. Chickens out went 7 of 9 would fuck him, didn't get with the hologram or anyone on the sex death planet, and when he does it makes him glow green.

Tom Paris wont stop let go of Bellana like a pitbull on an ankle.

There was also that episode with the uncle Vulcan going after Bellana.

I haven't seen the entire series but that Chakotay and 7 of 9 romance sounds awkward af.

I'm sure there's more.
 
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weemadarthur

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Harry Kim almost never gets laid. Rebuked by 7 of 9 and didn't get with the hologram or anyone on the sex death planet, and when he does it makes him glow green.
He wasn’t rebuked. She told him to take off his clothes and get busy on the lunchtable, and he ran away with his tail between his legs.
 

L Thammy

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A real comedown from TNG where Riker and Troi fuck everyone they meet.
One of the great things about TNG was it gradually becoming more aware of Riker. Like, there's the episode where Picard goes on vacation, and he's already fed up with Riker talking about the women on the sex tourism planet before Riker has even started talking. Then it turns out that the gift Riker asked Picard to get for him was actually a trick to get Picard laid, and Picard's reaction is just short of "not this shit again".
 

Speevy

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Wasn't Kes technically a child according to her life cycle? That was always kind of weird to me.
 

StallionDan

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He was never replaced with a copy. Voyager was duplicated with both being the original, one blew up and he and the baby moved to the one that didn't. No alternate timeline or other universe nonsense. It like the Tom Riker effect if they weren't separated for years, they both real Riker, both real Harry.

Also OP, I raise you a Mayweather.
 

CGiRanger

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Having an Asian male character then processing to emasculate him every change they got was one of the many shitty things about Voyager.
I was gonna post that IMO, Harry Kim was like the worst (best?) portrayal of bad Asian stereotypes possible. Because he:

1. Overachiever and plays a musical instrument (clarinet lol)
2. Abnormally close to his mother (fond memories of being in her womb. Yes he says this outright)
3. Meek and horrible dealing with women for the most part
 

StallionDan

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I never stood how that worked? Like wouldn't paramount own the character?
They own the character, but need pay royalties to the creator to use it. Tom is better in that he got away with it, but turned himself in anyway out of guilt. The original had Wesley squeel on him, so not as likeable / redeemable.
 
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I’m still amazed that I liked 7 of Nine, because of how derisively she was talked about by the Trek community when Voyager was on.

Janeway is fun but I think she suffered from extremely inconsistent writing.
 

Calles

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I’m still amazed that I liked 7 of Nine, because of how derisively she was talked about by the Trek community when Voyager was on.

Janeway is fun but I think she suffered from extremely inconsistent writing.
People turned against 7 of Nine once she lost the skin tight suit for the new one. The old suit was hell to work in.
 

Boogalogist

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I recall that Harry Kim appeared as a Captain in the penultimate episode of Voyager. That's at least some promotion.
 

jb1234

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I hear Jeri Ryan hated working on the show, not because of the suit, but because Kate Mulgrew was rather hostile towards her. Their scenes together where they are friendly shows how both Ryan and Mulgrew are good actors.
It also puts their conflict scenes in a new light. I especially think of scenes in "Prey."
 

Mr_Moogle

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I only really enjoyed the Doctor in Voyager. Most of the main cast were boring as shit.

Why should they bring it up? He was the exact same person. The same thing happened to Miles O'brien, but people don't keep bringing it up as a negative point against his character.
O'Brien was a boring ass chud who never should have been the focus of any episode ever. Me and my friends refer to him as O'Boring, especially any episode that featured his marriage trouble with Keiko.
 
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Delio

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I liked Voyager but yeah I agree Harry was pretty weak. What do I know tho I wanted Q 2 to stick around and get into hijynxs with Icheb so the boy had more to do.
 

Pluto

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As far as I know Garret Wang, his actor, is the only Star Trek actor to request a chance to direct an episode of his own series and be denied.
Because he didn't put in any work, the other actors who got to direct came in on their days off, shadowed directors, went into the editing booth etc., and when Berman believed they wouldn't screw it up they were assigned an episode. Wang reportedly said he wanted to direct but was the first to run home when he wrapped for the day which is his right of course vut it didn't earn him a second job and a second paycheck.

As a silly aside, it bothers me to no end that, no matter what happens to the ship, the rear monitors on the bridge always puff out smoke. Who built this fucking thing?
A genius, instead of consoles exploding in their faces Voyager installed a new smoke feature. I think they also removed the ceiling rocks that would always kill people on TNG.

Voyager sucks so bad. I'm a trek fan and I can never make it past the first season.
Voyager actually has a lot of really good episodes (and a lot of really shitty ones), it's never consistent and that can be frustrating because the quality literally fluctuates between episodes but it is worth watching. Maybe use an episode guide only listing the good episodes.

Archer was a better Captain than Janeway anyway.
Lies, Archer was the worst, a completely incompetent, arrogant doofus who would have gotten his crew killed in the first month if it wasn't for T'Pol. Archer alone proved the Vulcans right in thinking humanity wasn't ready.
 

Timbuktu

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Because he didn't put in any work, the other actors who got to direct came in on their days off, shadowed directors, went into the editing booth etc., and when Berman believed they wouldn't screw it up they were assigned an episode. Wang reportedly said he wanted to direct but was the first to run home when he wrapped for the day which is his right of course vut it didn't earn him a second job and a second paycheck
Source? I guess he broke the Asian stereotype in real life if that’s the case, a shame the writers were so terrible with Harry in the show.
 

Pluto

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Source? I guess he broke the Asian stereotype in real life if that’s the case, a shame the writers were so terrible with Harry in the show.
Some interview I can't find at the moment, I found something else that's interesting though, Wang's own commenrs about why he didn't get to direct.


Wang: Years after the initial lunch meeting, I made a comment off record to a TV Guide reporter on how upset I was over (executive producer Rick) Berman's ridiculous mandate of less emotion for the human characters. My wording to him at the time was, "I think the producers of Voyager did not take the risks to make the show as good as it could be." Even though I wasn't really specific about what the issue was, that printed comment alone sealed the death of my ambitions to direct an episode of Star Trek. Robbie McNeill was the first to direct an episode during season two. After Robbie, there was a mad rush by Robert Picardo, Tim Russ and Roxann Dawson to be the next in line to direct for season four. I felt, “Let them go ahead of me.” I was in no rush. After they all had their chance to direct during season four, I asked to direct for season five, but unfortunately the TV Guide article had just gone to print and I was turned down.

I was the first actor in Star Trek history to be denied the chance to direct. The irony of the situation was that, unlike my predecessors, who only wanted to direct for the sake of directing and acquiring their DGA cards, I was the only one who wanted to direct Trek and make it the best it could be, drawing upon my knowledge and experiences as a lifelong fan of science fiction. I truly believe that if I was given the chance, it would have been the best freshman effort by a Trek actor because of my passion for sci-fi. This missed opportunity has haunted me ever since.
He comes off as quite arrogant and dismissive of other people's work.
 

Dekim

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To be fair, once Seven of Nine joined the cast, like, every other episode was about her, the Borg, or Janeway. I'm exaggerating, but I remember it sure feeling that way when the show was airing. So every other cast member joined Harry Kim's role as being useless and their roles faded into the background. It was obvious the show was leaning hard on Seven of Nine's sex appeal in a cynical attempt to boost ratings.
 

fairyd

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Voyager is still my favourite Trek show to watch random episodes of. It felt like a real family on that little ship.
 

ArnoldJRimmer

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Voyager is still my favourite Trek show to watch random episodes of. It felt like a real family on that little ship.
This.

I don't understand why, maybe it is almost like a Trek Sitcom in some ways, but I'll put it on in the background on occasion, and almost never do that with any other Trek, even though I loved DS9 and TNG a hell of a lot more. The doc episodes are almost always the best to do this with.

Love the one where he's asked to leave Voyager and become a singer.