That said, I'd rather watch a Harry Kim episode than a Chakotay episode. I liked maybe 1 or 2 chakotay eps (the one where he was in different time periods in different parts of the ship).
A fun game would be to try and list any character traits for Voyagers cast. The number of interests or hobbies would be extremely limited.
Even TNG had lame characters like Crusher and Geordi.
Mayweather definitely had it worse. I think he had less screentime than Porthos.
If you want to feel depressed, you should read up on Jennifer Lien
"Best Trek"...?He did make a good foil to Tom "Best Trek" Paris though.
But yes total loser
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I guess b'elanna did since she was MaquisWas anyone on the ship ever promoted (aside from Paris, who only got his starting field rank restored after losing it)?
Lol what is this a reference to? Or are you genuinely a VOY/Paris fan? (Sorry if my internet sarcasm meter is failing me!)
I don't remember that but even then that's completely BS reasoning. IIRC the Enterprise had three commanders at one pointDidn't they address Kim's promotion issue in an episode? Something about him definitely deserving it and would receive a promotion under normal circumstances, but because of Voyager's unique predicament, he literally can't receive a promotion.
Kim and, at least according to this thread, Kes are the only truly useless/pointless characters. I liked Kes though, there was a nice sort of naivety to her and Jennifer Lien is cute. But she's not a very good actress. :(Man, Voyager sure was full of boring and useless people. Harry Kim should have taken another job, like Neelix. Neelix had like four different jobs at Voyager, from cook to security. What a terrible show... And I still need to rewatch it after I'm finally done with my TNG rewatch.
I will, however, contend that Kim's uselessness is his character arc in the show, brought to a very specific point about his replacement being himself minus some time. It doesn't come across well, sadly, but it's kind of a character experiment on its own, since you generally see everyone else in a ST show as somehow successful, well-liked, well-rounded, intelligent and well-adjusted. Barclay is the only character I can meaningful draw a parallel to, except that he is the flaw our viewers watched through and he still managed to be an interesting character who grew across multiple series.I like Ensign Kim. He felt like a real dude who was just a fuck up in life.
Also the real Kim is dead and his place was taken by a Kim from an alternate dimension.
I seem to recall Ronald Moore was parachuted in from DS9, saw what was going on and noped out after a few episodes.I like Kim, but yeah he was a terribly written character. Remember the Voyager writing team was going to give Paris a Borg boinic arm, and I am reminded they were not the best trek writers
I also fondly remember that ep where the fake silicon copy crew try to save themselves from oblivion, Harry was really good in that one too and he actually ends up commanding the ship by the end, which I loved seeing.
I recently rewatched Voyager. There were maybe a 6-7 Harry Kim focused episodes out 172 episodes. And while none is especially bad, none is standout good.
He is literally the same person that died except for a couple hours of memories. Janeway and Kim talk about it in the coda. Theres no real reason to being it up again.
The cultural adviser they hired for Chakotay's background turned out to be a fraud, which I'm sure compounded the issue.
Remember Worf might not be on the same universe he was born in, it might just be close enough
Yoooooo that makes so much sense, the stuff he would say sounds like some hippy nonsense.The cultural adviser they hired for Chakotay's background turned out to be a fraud, which I'm sure compounded the issue.
I think they squandered the concept of the hybrid crew of Marquis and Starfleet trying to work together.
I recently rewatched Voyager. There were maybe a 6-7 Harry Kim focused episodes out 172 episodes. And while none is especially bad, none is standout good.
And this is Voyager, a show that's not really inundated with classics
That said, I'd rather watch a Harry Kim episode than a Chakotay episode. I liked maybe 1 or 2 chakotay eps (the one where he was in different time periods in different parts of the ship).
Thankfully, the producers more or less gave up on every character other than Seven and The Doctor by the end.
So, forget Kim, but Tom Paris was definitely that kid that got kicked from the Academy in TNG, for talking Wesley & friends into doing that dangerous airship stunt right? The one that killed a guy?
In all but name and a few other details, yes, Locarno and Paris are essentially the same character.So, forget Kim, but Tom Paris was definitely that kid that got kicked from the Academy in TNG, for talking Wesley & friends into doing that dangerous airship stunt right? The one that killed a guy?
So, forget Kim, but Tom Paris was definitely that kid that got kicked from the Academy in TNG, for talking Wesley & friends into doing that dangerous airship stunt right? The one that killed a guy?
They're two different characters, technically. They have different names.its implied but not necessarily the same character from what I remember.
Yeah this guy:oooooo that makes so much sense, the stuff he would say sounds like some hippy nonsense.
And his relationship with Seven? dear god why?
its implied but not necessarily the same character from what I remember.
I never stood how that worked? Like wouldn't paramount own the character?They're two different characters, technically. They have different names.
They were originally supposed to be the same character but they changed his name to Tom Paris to avoid having to pay royalties to the TNG writer who created him.