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Epic Games announces multiplatform publishing partnerships with studios behind Control, Limbo, and The Last Guardian
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Regardless of epic helping these devs publishing games, its still shitty for a lot of PC gamers...why? because now we're forced to use epic games store and the client, should be choose to buy it on PC. It can be fucking star citizen or mass effect and I'll still not use that piece of shit launcher. Those whole endeavor is great but the one behind it is the problem for me.
Yeah after this deal iam done supporting Remedy as a fan at all, after Control and QB, I was willing to give them another chance with them possibly making a game thats not a cinematic Sci-Fi game but after their initial egs exclusive deal for control with epic and now this, iam 100% done with that fucking studio. They always manage to fuck up their PC releases whenever they're involved, happened with Alan Wake, Control and now this. They can take Tim sweeny's money all they want, fuck em idc about em anymore. This is just me speaking as a fan of em and not as a normal customer.
As for for the whole publishing deal thingy... Its simple really, I won't be supporting these devs who get in bed with epic. Fuck these deals because Epic games are the problem, if it was any other publisher I'd let it slide. Games exclusive to egs are the same as not being on PC.
All epic cares is moneyhatting or making exclusive games and still not putting a priority in improving their main thing which is the EGS. Also Whether its a publishing deal or moneyhatting a multiplat they involve exclusivity in PC gaming. Its a fucking curse. Exclusivity is not welcome in PC gaming because its the opposite of what it stands for. Epic always have done exclusivity stuff in bad faith and harm the PC platform.
Its a Digital Content Platform. Idk whether you bothered to check it out fully. It was a proper digital storefront and it has a PC client which is just not there for 'launching games' but it supports inhome streaming of steam games, it has its own broadcasting system where steam users can stream their games and other can watch em. It has its own marketplace for in-game items, has its own native controller support system called Steam Input. It also has a deep backend where developers can upload steam games and make changes to them, its a whole backend database which developers can make use of.
When you have a PC client of an online store with such a vast collection of features and resources, how is it just a store? More like Steam has a storefront and a launcher but sure it started as a PC download client for half life 2 and valve games and then slowly started rolling out their storefront and from there kept adding features to where it is now.
Yeah after this deal iam done supporting Remedy as a fan at all, after Control and QB, I was willing to give them another chance with them possibly making a game thats not a cinematic Sci-Fi game but after their initial egs exclusive deal for control with epic and now this, iam 100% done with that fucking studio. They always manage to fuck up their PC releases whenever they're involved, happened with Alan Wake, Control and now this. They can take Tim sweeny's money all they want, fuck em idc about em anymore. This is just me speaking as a fan of em and not as a normal customer.
As for for the whole publishing deal thingy... Its simple really, I won't be supporting these devs who get in bed with epic. Fuck these deals because Epic games are the problem, if it was any other publisher I'd let it slide. Games exclusive to egs are the same as not being on PC.
All epic cares is moneyhatting or making exclusive games and still not putting a priority in improving their main thing which is the EGS. Also Whether its a publishing deal or moneyhatting a multiplat they involve exclusivity in PC gaming. Its a fucking curse. Exclusivity is not welcome in PC gaming because its the opposite of what it stands for. Epic always have done exclusivity stuff in bad faith and harm the PC platform.
Its a Digital Content Platform. Idk whether you bothered to check it out fully. It was a proper digital storefront and it has a PC client which is just not there for 'launching games' but it supports inhome streaming of steam games, it has its own broadcasting system where steam users can stream their games and other can watch em. It has its own marketplace for in-game items, has its own native controller support system called Steam Input. It also has a deep backend where developers can upload steam games and make changes to them, its a whole backend database which developers can make use of.
When you have a PC client of an online store with such a vast collection of features and resources, how is it just a store? More like Steam has a storefront and a launcher but sure it started as a PC download client for half life 2 and valve games and then slowly started rolling out their storefront and from there kept adding features to where it is now.
No way they are going to be exclusives on PC, Ueda said they want to reach much people as possible.
They are going to be multiplatform games BUT almost certanly exclusive on EGS for PC (at least for 1 years, probably forever).
Well I mean TLG took almost a decade to finish and didn't sell very well so who knows if they're even on good terms
And I think Ueda said he wanted to make a multi platform game anyway
Yeah, you're right, I should've went into more detail on why I think it's a terrible analogy but realized I didn't care so I decided to end it on my part. I should've initially replied with a more detailed response. My bad.
I was clarifying which studio Epic announced they're publishing for. When they say they are publishing the next game(s) from the studio behind The Last Guardian, they are not talking about Sony's Japan Studio. They are talking about GenDesign.
I mean sure but Last Guardian is still highly successful title from critics side . And they marketed to hell during their E3 presentation and Holiday season.
But I guess Sony shown interest to transition itself from funding quirky AA games along with AAA to really big AAAA titles such as Last of Us and Spider-Man. PS3 days and early PS4 days Sony is really gone i believe.
Things like Rain,Twisted Metal , Heavy Rain , Last Guardian, Motorstorm etc wont be priority for them since they are niche audiences compared to and still costs them money.
This is all I wanted then to do to begin with rather than paying developers to basically release everywhere that isn't Steam for some period of time.
Not sure of the definitions you want to use, but Steam does so much more than even the console platforms, consistently iterating on and creating greater utility, and extending the value of games people own there. Not bad for just a "store"
Glad that more people get to play the next Ueda game and that I don't have to wait for the next PlayDead game to be done with it's timed Xbox exclusivity. Also hopefully this means Remedy gets more high budget work.
I think it's pretty hard to have a better deal, I'm so glad the industry continues to support Remedy in particular.
I'm really happy for them.
I'm really happy for them.
Remedy is in country that has good employment laws so that is why they kinda can do this in a way. But i still wouldn't be able to run company with like 300 people without significant profit from each project. And i don't agree that independent studios need to go this way, look for example Techland and how big they grew up (they even are publisher now).
I doubt you're going to get a better deal from many other publishers tbh. They'd either want ip ownership, or a stake in the developer. Which publishers do you think are offering multi-game publishing deals to developers the size of Remedy etc, without any concern for how much revenue the games generate?
Like I'm sure they could have got more stability out of say, getting acquired by Microsoft, but that's a decision that you can't undo, and a deal you can't walk away from for future projects.
We'll see how it pans out. I don't like how Epic operate EGS at all, but I don't think that means that this is a bad deal for the developers.
Thank you for these posts, there were very informative.
I disagree. I don't think developers would sign permanent distribution deals when they have a huge stake in how the game performs on the market.
They are helping with the funding so can't go wrong. Still sucks for them to probably be launcher exclusive.
People: Epic must be running out of money, they aren't buying exclusivities anymore lool
Epic: You just activated my trap card
This is good news, Gen Design deserves more money to make more games.
Epic: You just activated my trap card
This is good news, Gen Design deserves more money to make more games.
Congrats to Remedy on the financial security. Bummed it's with a shitty company like Epic and not Sony, but I'm glad Sam can keep making games.
What does the IP matter if you are broke after finishing the game? And Remedy can't walk away from Epic either, because they would be bankrupt unless they have a mega-success that recoups Epic's cost on Day1 and gives Remedy money.
They are funding now, which is better than what they were doing.
Same if that's what happens here (though some outlets suggest otherwise). For me, all exclusivity does is rule out a game if it is on this level of poorer service, and the other game I was looking at on a preferable service gets bought instead. Generally if my experience with a service is bad, I've steered away from it. Much like the shitty experience my friends and I had with BF3 on origin, led to veering away from games using that client.
I haven't bought any EGS-exclusive games even after they hit steam, and I don't plan to.
I have an RTX 2080ti but I don't need to play Metro or Control that bad. They didn't really even look that fun tbh, the ray tracing is the only reason i would have thought about buying them.
Yeah, the clause of no additional post-release money until the game breaks even is a potential issue, especially considering that they're probably going to be earning very little money from PC gamers.
Of course, much like Stadia's acquisitions/openings, I don't it would be safe to assume the Epic Games Store will be around in the 3+ years it'll take for these deals to bear fruit.
Of course, much like Stadia's acquisitions/openings, I don't it would be safe to assume the Epic Games Store will be around in the 3+ years it'll take for these deals to bear fruit.
Sure, but people were acting as if Epic stopped the exclusive model.
This is definitely way better and the right way to approach it.
Control and Outer Wilds are amazing and very fun gameplay-wise. Some of the best sci-fi games I've ever played actually.
I watched vids on them but they didn't look appealing to me tbh. Controls premise seems generic to me, and I don't like Fallout so Outer Wilds was never on my radar.
Not clear at all. Some outlets are suggesting there could be none, could be a year as seen previously, could be forever.
Almost certainly permanently EGS exclusive for as long as there's an EGS. Almost certainly also coming to consoles, likely PS5/Series X.
I like the primitive child like antagonizing by some. They know who they are.
As if playing this on more than one platform is a bad thing.
THIS IS YUUUUUGE
As if playing this on more than one platform is a bad thing.
THIS IS YUUUUUGE
Same probably. I'd have been fine with this in a vacuum, I'd not care and buy the games there just like how I have on Origin or Uplay. It's the months of Tim Sweeney acting like he's the saviour of gaming and spreading FUD against his rivals that has put me off the entire company, combined with what they did to my Shenmue backing which led to me not even taking games from them for free. it would have to be a damn fine game for me to go to Epic Store for anything now.
Hopefully by the time these are out, EGS will have a lot more of Steam's features.
Happy for Remedy and the rest. Control pushed RTX harder than anyone so I expect their future games to do the same.
Weird to see some of you try to use this as a 'gotcha' moment when Epic already pays the 30% tax on Fortnite DLC on Xbox, PlayStation and iOS Appstore.
They've made it clear they'll grudgingly Accept this on closed garden storefronts.
PC and Android are where they're fighting that battle.
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