Because the money will trickle down eventually and then Epic won't have to force their employees to crunch anymore buy games on epic games store steam bad
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Epic Games has acquired Rocket League developer Psyonix [Up: No Announced Plans to Stop Selling Rocket League on Steam] [Read Staff Post & Threadmark]
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This hits me personally very hard. Rocket League is my favourite game and I've played it for years. I also don't care for the Epic store whatsoever. Will I be able to buy coming dlc on steam? Likely not. This is just another shitty move from Epic and I do not appreciate it whatsoever. Taking a long released game off a storefront is not something I was expecting and I do not like it. God knows what it means for the future of its online services with Steam copies. Ugh. I didn't care too much before about Epic except intellectually, but now it's personal.
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that's competition though.
the idea that competition is good for the end customer is a weird libertarian idea that gets floated around way too much. most competition is shit like this, a big guy with deep pockets muscling their way into a market to force a worse product on people.
the problem is capitalism.
You mean like how Team Fortress, DoTA and other popular mods became « valve properties » once the team got bought out and killed by default?
Are you complaining about Valve's exclusive deals with Microsoft and Bethesda?
Buying Psyonix, having them develop Rocket League 2 and then having that as an Epic Games exclusive would be totally fair game and a good thing.
Removing it from Steam is just petty and clearly shows Epic doesn't give a shit about customers having options. They just want to fully control prices on games and they can fuck right off.
Tell me, were Team Fortress, DOTA and other popular mods removed from sale on other services
Valve's exclusive deals with Microsoft and Bethesda ? What are you talking about ?
I'd argue gamers have the absolute shortest memory about most things in the industry.
The problem is that I am also expecting responses from Sony, Microsoft and Google, and I would expect them to be more restrictive on the platforms supported. Heck, I suspect both Google and Apple will be having a bunch of games that are exclusive to their respective subscriptions, never mind platform-exclusivity.
Valve does not need to buy games or studios. They only need to make policy changes, that you can't take a game already released on Steam from the store to another one. So you can still take a game off, if your license runs out, but not solely to put it on a different one.
Lets play this game.
EGS achieves market dominance. As a result, they decide to raise the prices on video games to $100. Nobody buys the games on EGS because they are now too expensive. EGS loses money. A lot of money. The developer loses money. The publisher loses money. Just about everyone involved loses so much money that people start being laid off, and then you have a domino affect that a massive flop starts.
That leads EGS to listing games at $100 and not selling very many. And the developers behind them can't pay their light bill. So how do they remedy this? Well either the exclusivity with Epic covers them entirely, or they pull out and sell their game *checks notes* on another platform where people will buy their game.
Like. These scenarios don't exist in the realm of reality. Y'all are so cynical you cannot even perceive reality.
Epic isn't trying to compete on terms of offering better service, pricing, innovation etc. Instead they are limiting the availability of products to their store (with worse features) that would have been available in multiple places otherwise. No one is complaining about Fortnite being exclusive to EGS or EA games on Origin because they invested in developing and bringing new products out for sale. Buying exclusivity deals for games that would otherwise be released on other platforms/storefronts let's them sidestep the whole business of having to compete and offer something better. You may want to call that 'competition', but it's lacking the desirable attributes.
At this point, EGS is so obviously malevolent and ill-willed that I believe the only reason people still defend it is because they hate Steam/Valve. Even though Valve will be the last ones hurt in this war and many others will suffer first. Casualties of war I guess.
Please do? RL is now an Epic property. Expecting it to remain on Steam with how huge it is is delusional
That's like asking Valve to put CS:GO and Dota2 outside of Steam
Variety has confirmed all future DLC & updates will release on Steam as well as all other platforms.
Why do you pretend to be so dense? Minecraft is still on PS4, The Outer Worlds is still launching on Steam and PS4.
dota is actually a really interesting case, the warcraft 3 mod was actually updated in tandem with the source version for years after valve hired icefrog. eventually they broke parity, mainly because they wanted to make changes that the WC3 engine couldn't handle.
the mod still exists though and is playable.
Well i guess now we might get fortnite inspired things in RL and vice versa.
So who's next? CD Project Red?
So who's next? CD Project Red?
doubtful, CDPR has some self respect, and their own store to run
You're absolutely correct. In fact, I don't think I've ever played anything on the EGS, so I can't really speak to the bugginess. I would think that delaying the launch until late 2019 would be in order to make it a good playing experience, but I may be giving everyone involved too much credit.
RL is still on PS4, xbox one and Switch
How is it any different? It's switching storefronts/ecosystems on PC. That's it
yeah big companies never massively fuck up and slaughter the golden goose in an attempt to pad their margins once they get a monopoly position in a market
i think the point is that, to some extent, valve has earned the trust of end users and gets some benefit of the doubt. epic hasn't.
Short memory about things that matter. But they do remember what Cliffy B said 11 years ago, that there's a lot of piracy on PC. Though people get few details wrong on that too.
As an active RL and FN player I'm actually quite excited about this. More development resources is exactly what this game needs. The core gameplay is so good I wish more people could experience it. I'm quite confident this will enable them to go free-to-play and start relying more on season passes and in-game purchases (which they have in the game already).
Please link me to one single game to which Steam holds any kind of exclusive rights, aside from their own games (which were at one point sold on Uplay and Origin, and only got dropped from there because Uplay stopped selling all third party games and because EA didn't want to do business with Valve anymore).
Come on, a single one. One single paid exclusivity by Valve. Just one. One (1).
Reminder: we cannot assume said DLC and updates will launch at the same time on Steam as it will on other platforms. They may, they may not. And it may change over the remaining life of the product.
Because developing a new exclusive isn't the same as buying a pre-existing studio and yanking their games off of the platforms they've been on for years.
So then explain to me how the fuck EGS even stays alive if it doesn't eventually offer competitive, consumer friendly features? It HAS TO HAPPEN FOR THEM TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN THE LONG TERM. THEY CANNOT EXIST AS COMPETITION IF THEY DON'T.
Buying exclusives for your store only gets your store so far. If you do not have a feature rich client, you will either never be as big as you hoped for or you will die off. EGS cannot survive by just being a barebones store.
I don't get the sense that Rocket League is the type of game they want to release a sequel to. It's an online service game at this point, a la Team Fortress 2, Dota 2 or CS:GO.
You're saying that about the Fortnite studio? The biggest new IP since Wii Sport?
Meh another studio and its games that i'll avoid having any interest in.
At this rate i might just stop buying games and just play my rather long backlog, not a bad thing either :)
At this rate i might just stop buying games and just play my rather long backlog, not a bad thing either :)
Sorry I forgot that store still exists. Having just looked at it I think MS has as well.
Feel free to tell us about them, along with proof to back up your claims.
I'm happy for Psyonix because they're a great dev and RL is fantastic, so the backing of a huge company with a lot of cash is well deserved.
But... taking the game off Steam is a scummy move and I can't help but think they'll be harmed in the long run.
But... taking the game off Steam is a scummy move and I can't help but think they'll be harmed in the long run.
Which is a reasonable suspicion. However, it is a direct contrast to how many people in this thread assumed Epic would handle the game going forward.
Update: staying on Steam after all
If true, that was a fast backtrack LMAO
Edit: to showcase that the game was intended to be taken from the beginning
https://dtf.ru/gameindustry/48783-epic-games-kupila-studiyu-razrabotchika-rocket-leag
And Sergey (PR boss of EGS posted):
Will this impede me from getting any future DLC on Steam after the move to EGS?
Would be shitty for anyone who has already invested in the platform.
Would be shitty for anyone who has already invested in the platform.
Do you have any proof on Valve having any exclusivity deals (as in actual contracts) with third parties?
Which funnily are also all sequels =P But yeah I get what you mean, it's not likely to happen very soon.
My mistake, you are correct that Steam does not have exclusive rights on any one game. What I meant to convey is that a majority of games we play on PC are only available to play via Steam.
Didn't Sweeney openly wonder on Twitter how Valve was able to afford supporting all these forms of payment in different regions of the world, while simultaneously saying that Epic couldn't do the same because their slimmer cut couldn't afford them the ability to do that on top of the other costs they had to manage with game distribution?