So I'm wondering: if the problem is that a game on EGS is using Valve's work, wouldn't the problem still be there if they used OpenVR without SteamVR? Cause OpenVR is still developed by Valve.
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Epic Games Store Exclusive "Tetris Effect" Requires SteamVR to run in VR mode
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Ah thanks, that's not the same as not supporting VR at an engine level, but it wouldn't hurt to add a VR version of the store, at the far end of a long, long list of things to add.
I don't have a good knowledge of the history of this, I know that Epic have chaired the OSXR group, and they have made efforts to demo these WIP APIs in Unreal Engine.
I have a sneaking suspicion that Epic would like OSXR to be bigger than Steam VR, but I don't know.
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You say that but it's hard to see or even believe that's the case when you were shitting on other posts with posts that didn't make any sense and you also were rushing to the defense of epic using the steam vr just because. We all know that epic exclusivity is giving extra money to the devs but I bet you those devs will be getting the side eye from alot of people who don't want to support the epic store and maybe won't buy their game in a year when exclusivity is done. I also bet you that in the long run those devs will see less sales and possibly be a long term mistake for short term gain.
It would be mostly the same, the difference being the amount of laughter.
The beauty of PC, things don't need to be tied down to a specific app to work. Even if there wasn't a Steam VR another way would have been around anyway, someone would have found a way to use Oculus VR outside of it's Dashboard, just like people got Steam Controller working outside of Steam.
I use my Steam Controller for all my games, from Epic Games Store, to Origin. The only game I had on Windows Store was when I tried Forza Horizons 4 and I used the Steam Controller for that too. When I first got the controller I was bummed that it wasn't made to work without steam running, and even running not all games worked with it well but the openness of PC finds away around obstacles, even PSVR on PC.
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The problem is saying that Valve doesn't do shit with the 30% cut
I mean it's a shame because tim also said they'd support it, but still don't.
Valve is harming the industry!
Now excuse me while we take advantage of their freely available technology to let games run on our store.
The hypocrisy in Sweeney's pitch for the EGS is a major factor why I have a major distaste for it, on top of all the obvious issues.
Now excuse me while we take advantage of their freely available technology to let games run on our store.
The hypocrisy in Sweeney's pitch for the EGS is a major factor why I have a major distaste for it, on top of all the obvious issues.
Yeah well...I guess I'm just a strong believer in self-preservation.
No use arguing with trolls.
But people aren't saying it's a problem?
It's just example for the "Valve doesn't deserve/do enough for the 30%" and "if not for Epic, the games previously exclusive to PS4 wouldn't come to PC" (even if the thread is not directly about the latter - if that wasn't a last minute moneyhat, they'd probably pay attention to it) being pretty bullshit.
It's always one of the things that impresses me most. It's like this in every thread. He is super smart and needs to repeat points constantly.
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The thread creator pretty clearly has a problem with it using OpenVR with SteamVR.
Glad someone said it.
Valve reducing their cut to something <30% does not preclude development of things like SteamVR.
This is akin to being mad that something isn't on the Windows Store but has the nerve to use DirectX as an API.
and he always gets the worst for it. The same thing happened to him on gaf. There some really fucking stupid backwards arguments here that shouldn't even be, but the one dev who's keeping their logic straight doesn't get to stick around.
So much for the "poor devs" I guess. Krejlooc deserves better.
Did Krejlooc request a ban before he burst a blood vessel arguing with disingenuous idiots? I'm very confused.
He doesn't? I see it as "look, they are not even trying to hide it". Especially with how Epic are trying to paint themselves and Valve.
I assume you meant "using SteamVR over OpenVR", because your post kinda doesn't make sense.
He has done that before (in another Epic related thread I think, actually). So I wouldn't be surprised.
A member in this thread literally posted "I get it, you don't like Epic because of competition or china or whatever".
The problem is that VR games on EGS with Vive needs Steam, a competitor that they block developers to release their games on. I mean with all the money they pump out, why not make a standalone OpenVR implementation or implement it into EGS? Even though 99% of all Vive owners already uses Steam, this sends more traffic to the platform they want to kill.
Thankfully they've really slowed down since the first year of the Rift, but I'm fairly certain they still pay for exclusivity. The lovely bird-flying simulator, Fugl, recently got a VR mode that is exclusive to the Oculus store version of the game. So if you buy it on Steam you can't play in VR. The SteamVR version is set to release exactly 6 months after the Oculus release which is a pretty blatant "paid to not be on this store" timeframe.
After reading some of the documentation it seems like SteamVR is just a wrapper for the OpenVR API with some additional functionality -- but for the most part OpenVR and SteamVR are the same. I'm pretty surprised they didn't engineer this game to use OpenVR (doesn't need Steam) instead of SteamVR. It's going to create unnecessary drama for EGS like this thread.
I'm almost willing to bet that the devs didn't want to put in the work more than once on getting VR working properly for when this game comes to Steam later.
Just do it once with SteamVR and they're "good to go" for both EGS and the eventual Steam release.
I'm assuming Tetris Effect was going to be on Steam until only very recently and everything was coded up with that in mind.
I'm so sorry that your answer to my post was what got you banned. I won't comment on the mods work of course, but I'll say that I think that your anger was justified. :(
I love your all your inputs in here, so here's hoping you'll be back after that week.
Respect.
Yes, and this isn't the only time this happens. UE4 itself uses SteamVR to handle it's virtual reality. For example, every single time I launch the UE4 editor with my VR headset plugged in, it automatically launches Steam because Steam handles the VR portion of UE4 for them:
is that mega man x sitting there in the SNES?
I think it's plain and clear that Valve is heavily invested in ensuring that the PC remains a healthy and open gaming platform for the foreseeable future. Their entire business model revolves around it.
Epic, on the other hand, has a much broader focus. I suspect that they make the majority of their revenue from consoles and mobile now. So I am not entirely sure what their long term goal for EGS is (or if one even exists). Selling a small number of heavily curated AA indie games at a 12% cut doesn't sound very profitable compared to their other ventures.
Epic, on the other hand, has a much broader focus. I suspect that they make the majority of their revenue from consoles and mobile now. So I am not entirely sure what their long term goal for EGS is (or if one even exists). Selling a small number of heavily curated AA indie games at a 12% cut doesn't sound very profitable compared to their other ventures.
Yeah? Some context: OpenVR isn't "SteamVR without Steam". This Github thread explains it pretty well: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/openvr/issues/291
A Valve employee also mentions in that thread that it's also possible to use SteamVR without Steam. I don't know if Tetris Effect does this though.
he can't hear you
Edit: or, if he logged out, it's an interstellar situation and he can hear you but can't respond
Haven't ignored anyone since I got an account in 2006 or something at the old place, thinking of starting now. Jesus. The fallacies and the China comment.
Company CEOs:" We are proud of our exclusive features, it all our team achievement, and we price it accordinly to value their hardwork"
Employee A:" hey, pal, i know you got a solution for our problem, can we use it, even if we are not in the same company?"
Employee B:"Got you, fam. Here, enjoy."
Employee A:" hey, pal, i know you got a solution for our problem, can we use it, even if we are not in the same company?"
Employee B:"Got you, fam. Here, enjoy."
It's really good, I love it. Do you found a way to link it on Oculus Home? So my daugther could play it without my help.
People shouldnt fall for the passive agressive trolling bullshit, better its just ignore it and move on.
the devs put in the work to get some leaderboards running
something that would have been much easier if it was on steam
you also get to look forward to that leaderboard breaking or going down in a few years because it's not worth going back and fixing it
but yeah let's chase that short term gain!
I get "mod-whining" as a general rule, whether I agree with it or not, but "repeated hostility throughout the thread"? Have we followed the same thread? It was more like "repeatedly educating the unaware".
Attitude or not, Krejlooc has it right.
But because its not immediately obvious to most "gamers", PC or otherwise, this is inevitably going to happen again and again.
I would quit PC gaming altogether before considering supporting a product from Epic's storefront, the same way that I avoid Oculus' storefront and games with oppressive EULAs. But I don't have the means or sanity to keep arguing why that is the way Krejlooc's had to in this thread and others.
But because its not immediately obvious to most "gamers", PC or otherwise, this is inevitably going to happen again and again.
I would quit PC gaming altogether before considering supporting a product from Epic's storefront, the same way that I avoid Oculus' storefront and games with oppressive EULAs. But I don't have the means or sanity to keep arguing why that is the way Krejlooc's had to in this thread and others.
If I was in the market for PC VR, knowing that Steam VR isn't locked behind Steam would make me more likely to buy that headset instead of something else which may not be open to other platforms. This goes both ways, Oculus players can use OR on Steam, meaning more potential to sell Steam games, and game data for Valve.
They are the same thing my dude. here is the official github readme:
some more info:
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/openvr/issues/291
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