Are you a scientist conducting a scientific survey or something? Why does the "scientific term" matter? And yes, things change, that is part of progress. I've known this for at least over ten years if not fifteen, this isn't some new thing. When in doubt, listen.
Because you don't have to deal with the same sexism women do.
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You aren't learning or growing, you're doubling down instead of listening.
Oh I'm sorry you find it "so sensitive" that not everyone appreciates being referred to with clinical biological terms that demean their personhood. I'm sorry you couldn't be bothered to check out the thread in question and figure out what the full story was, and instead jumped to conclusions. I'm sorry that you think asking for one tiny thing of people is asking for perfection. I'm sorry you think you can accuse us of shutting down personal growth when you're the one who wasn't interested in learning anything.
I thought the bigger problem was calling racists racist?
I can honestly say I've never heard of it before, Red. Not now and not 10 or 15 years ago. I then asked my Destiny 2 raid group if they had ever heard of it. None of them had, either.
That first link in particular sums in up pretty succiently, very quickly. I'd wager most people aren't actually interested in education and rather just in arguing for their "team" so to speak.
Yeah, i guess it's okay to dehumanize women, but don't hurt a racists feeling by pointingout their bullshit... jeezus.
One of the links above is probably the main reason why I had never heard of it. Grammatically, it doesn't flow as well or make sense to use compared to other words one may use. If someone were to use it seriously and not in a joking way, it'd just sound odd.
All the time I have been told that there are two things, sex, which describes the biologocial immutable property (i.e. non-trans men and trans-women are of the same sex, non-trans women and trans men are of the same sex), and gender, which describes the social classifier (i.e. non-trans men and trans men are of the same gender, non-trans women and trans-women are of the same gender). Is this wrong? Because if this is correct, then it does not appear to be transphobic to say trans women are no of the opposite sex of non-trans men, considering it is just stating a fact. Now if sex is supposed to also refer to the social classification, what term is there to distinguish the immutable physiological property that is the basis for procreation in most advanced lifeforms?
Well you clearly have an interest in a plethora of opinions! Bye.
What? This was not a clever way to say anything. I would expect the reason this was treated as transphobia was just not this specific sentence (in particular, I would suspect the "penis in my bed" claim to be the problematic one). Are opposite sex and opposite gender supposed to mean the same thing, but sex and gender still mean the different thing I described above?
You said that many people use opposite sex in a colloquial way to refer to opposite gender, rather than sex, but this does not mean that this is the correct terminology. Sticking to formally correct language is not hostile. Refering to sex organs that may be the cause of dysphoria specifically to differentiate can, however, certainly be understood as such. Which is why strongly suspect the isolated "trans women are not the opposite sex of non-trans men" not to be the ban-worthy issue, but what came after that.
It's not complicated. Sex is literally referring to the genitalia, i.e. the "sex" of a "male" (i.e. a plug) that fits into the "sex" of a "female" (i.e. a socket). Generally speaking, you wouldn't say you're attracted to "males" or "females" because the genitals are not the single overriding facet of all of human sexuality - that is to say, it's far more complicated than that (something made obvious when you look at how many heterosexual men are attracted to pre-op transgender women - and vice-versa with transgender men). The "gender" aspect is everything outside of the genitalia and that is highly variable.
Maybe you should go back to the post I originally replied to, because you didn't get what I said. The discussion was about the fact that people have different perceptions of what 'progressive' means depending on where they live, and what political issues they care about. If I were vegan let's say, then I wouldn't consider Era progressive. It was a discussion about why people can't agree on the word.
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That's not really helpful.
because it doesn't happen as often and doesnt' happen specifically because of gender. women are treated different than men resulting in people(men) saying dumb shit like "men and females". The more you listen to people who talk like that the more you realize how that how they think of women is different than men
Yeah I edited my post.
You do realize what a forum is for right ? I don't use the term to address people as said before ...I still can be interested in the reasoning why, considering I don't live in a english speaking country and its not my native language. I had a feeling what it was about and wanted to use the thread for a confirmation on it.
Okay then I apologize since I only read the last couple posts on this page.
Exactly.I'm not sure what the OP is talking about.
If you are asking in good faith, I don't think that post applies to you.
