I saw this title like when it was first created and was like
1. Damn, mods already had to put a (Read OP) tag to the title
2. I have no faith this wont go like the other similar threads in the past
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1. Damn, mods already had to put a (Read OP) tag to the title
2. I have no faith this wont go like the other similar threads in the past
The tone and the actual thread is enough to actually show that something I took for granted was actually worth a debate here.
So there's no reason to assume the best out of posters here.
And that is the reason that was just a link in the other post because I didn't want to derail the thread this way.
If you can't understand that people actually discussing my identity to myself is enough reason for me to reconsider the values of the forum, I'm sorry to say I can't help you.
I didn't assume anything.
I merely pointed out that entering with vague unsupported insinuations (and proclaiming we need laxer moderation and that everyone nerds to just chill) and then, when you get asked for clarification and specificity, refusing on the grounds of I'm talking about what my friends think... isn't good faith and really is one of the worst ways to engender benefit of the doubt
Thread is about women feeling silenced.
CLEARLY, the reasonable course of action by some is waltz in there, accuse everyone of being americacentric, then whine that one can't even use "cunt" anymore and that women need attitude adjustments.
It's just... like, it's "Proves the point of the thread: The guy".
Speaking of that, if you or anyone else happens to see LionPride elsewhere on the webs, let him know I appreciated his presence here if you don't mind.
I've also noticed how many minority community threads are filled with very active users who I never see post in any other threads.
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Yes actually. By banning people who have been proven to dog whistle. Not banning them makes it so posters who are able to recognize dog whistles are paranoid and are more likely to look for it in posts. Its kinda an entire tactic that the alt right purposely does to make people on the left look crazy and overbearing to people on the center. See: the ok sign
What does "the tone and the actual thread" mean? For someone who decries vague statements, you sure seem to like them when they benefit whatever stance you're trying to take.
I don't care how mad that thread made you feel, you shouldn't bring that shit into other unrelated threads and use it as criteria to judge other people about unrelated topics. You've basically written off the entire forum because you didn't like what some people had to say on a topic that hit close to home.
For the record, I thought Trevor Noah's "joke" was horrible garbage and he had no place to deny those Frenchmen of their status and identity as Frenchmen just because they had roots in Africa. That was some hateful shit regardless of his intentions and him doubling down on that was extremely disappointing.
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You took a seemingly non-controversial statement made about the community in general, and decided to interpret that as a specific hostility to "minorities", then proceeded to interrogate that poster as to what his ulterior motives were, because what he actually posted was not a satisfactory statement to you when taken at face value.
If you don't see how that is not conducive to civil discourse I don;t know what to say. It is the height of bad faith to assume the worst intentions of anyone who is not lock step in alignment with every thought you have.
Just as an alternative Uk perspective, even then it depends on context and the audience, it's about as strong an insult as you can get in most of the UK too. Big difference between some communities calling a friend a 'cunt' in the pub while watching the footy (and even then, personally, I find it vulgar and it's not a word I can imagine my friends and I ever using so casually) and deciding it's ok to use it in the office, to talk to public sector/retail staff or to address strangers (like on here).
There's a reason there's a vast range of insults attached to male genitalia, from dick, prick and wanker to bell-end, tosser etc, and none of them are seen as as strong as 'cunt', Ofcom ranked it as the harshest swear in UK media for a number of reasons.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....of-every-swear-word-from-worst-to-best-122544
People say 'don't be a dick' all the time and it's pretty mild comparatively as far as a reprimand goes, everyone accepts it's a pretty light version of 'you're being an arsehole right now'. It's because, in context, guys using 'you cunt' is often a mix of the raw sexism of a man calling another man a woman as the perceived height of insult, and the phonetics of the harsh 'c' that sounds like you're spitting it.
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It is the height of bad faith to attempt to paint those posters who are tired of this shit as somehow being irrational and paranoid in spite of what is very clearly an endemic problem across the entire Internet.
Miss me with that shit.
My friends are afraid to speak, we need laxer moderation here and everyone needs to just chil... is not a non controversial statement
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Nah I put the (Read OP) in myself bc mods always add them to my threads anyway RIP
You should look at how people are reacting to it rather than what you think the intention is, results-oriented thinking is difficult but it's much more illuminating than intention-oriented thinking.
Fuck! Lol
Finally caught up and all that was over that word. That dude fluffed it up good.
Well thats not the post I quoted nor anything I am referring to, so why are you pretending I am?
People are quick to assume the worst of other posters here. I'm now getting dogpiled for saying "yeah, you have a point".... to show I'm wrong about that?
Can we go back to what was actually being said? Because you may not want to omit this particular line:
If this is said in the context of this thread, then never elaborated on...it is really difficult to be charitable. And I was absolutely charitable to him, for the record.
No, I took that thread as an example of how this board see minorities.
It's far from the only one where the behavior there is present.
And again this was an aside to basically show why I'm not assuming the best out of everyone.
Kinda like how the Cavill threads and the female thread were pretty explicit in showing how some posters here view women.
I don't care how you think I feel or I should feel or whatever, at this point this informs how I view posters and I'm waiting for others to prove me wrong.
I fully expect the next cop killing thread to go the very same way all the other did or the next thread about a high profile person showing his ass for all the world to see.
If you're being vague for no reason at all, don't be mad if I'm not expecting the world of you.
And all this to show that to me this forum is not welcoming, now please continue to derail to tell me I have no reason to feel unwelcome.
e: And this relate to the topic as I can imagine what women posting on this forum can feel if I can't even feel welcomed here.
That's the same person though ... you're erasing everything that lead up to that last comment to remove all context
And you're being disagreed with bro...
Honestly I thought this thread was overkill but over in the Talking Dead thread people are falling all over themselves trying to defend an abuser.
I did not "decide to interpret" it that way. I want to be very clear with this train of thought, and you can point out any logical inconsistency.
This is a topic about women not feeling comfortable on the forum. Their post said that people need to calm down because not everything is an alt-right plot. Do you deny that in this thread designed for women to voice their concerns that a reasonable interpretation of that is that they are addressing the victims of that kind of speech?
I took their statement at face value in that they are telling people to calm down in a thread where women are saying they feel uncomfortable. I did not twist their words in any way, I have not been uncivil, I have not demanded "lockstep alignment".
People disagreeing with what you are saying is not being dogpiled. Nobody has insulted you or personally attacked you in any way, we are trying to remain civil so the thread is not locked.
Pages and hours worth of hand-wringing just because a guy really wants to say 'cunt'? Good fucking lord. Hey, ERA-men. If you ever want to see why a lot of us women just assume you're arguing in bad faith, look no further than the tragedy of Darth MJBarret the Unwise. I hope that answers your question Dr Wily
Something is not "non-controversial" just because you think it isn't. If it incites controversy, then it's controversial.
Prescriptivism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_prescription
Descriptivism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_description
Long and short of it is, stop telling other people how they should feel and dismissing their worries as the "wrong" way to feel about something. Prescriptivism is why some women feel Era (and gaming as a whole) is still hostile to them.
Prescriptivism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_prescription
Descriptivism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_description
Long and short of it is, stop telling other people how they should feel and dismissing their worries as the "wrong" way to feel about something. Prescriptivism is why some women feel Era (and gaming as a whole) is still hostile to them.
User Banned (1 Week): Inflammatory derailment surrounding race sensitivity
ResetERA is a sticker someone slapped over the word "NeoGAF". Of course things haven't changed much.
I come here mostly for news. Having any kind of real conversation here is completely out of the question. Dissenting opinions get squashed immediately.
This scene has been on my mind ever since the female thread. It is the marriage proposal of mr Collins to Elizabeth from the 1995 adaptation of pride and prejudice.
It just has it all. Seeing a woman as an object instead of a person. Failing to listen and a female remark to top it of at the 4:06 mark. Enjoy.
It just has it all. Seeing a woman as an object instead of a person. Failing to listen and a female remark to top it of at the 4:06 mark. Enjoy.
As a side note- I do listen to podcast from Australia where "cunt" is used frequently in a joking manner. I accept it because I know the pod casters are using it as a joke and they do stand for women's rights. They are not using the word in a derogatory manner- aka they are not referring to all women or men as cunts- they are targeting on person for their specific actions. They equally rip on their own personal white man colonizer privilege.
The difference on a message board like this, very few people know each other well. So they are judged on words. The choice of using derogatory words in a public space reflects on the person character.
Yes indeed. Dissenting opinions keep getting squashed by fragile men desperate to assert their dominance in every single fucking thread about women's issues. I 100% agree with you.
While not a gendered slur, when I found out what "spaz" meant in other countries, as an American, I decided I wasn't going to use that word any longer, because, while it's not a slur in the US, it absolutely is in other countries and I didn't want to seem insensitive to disabled people. I didn't view being an American as an excuse because nobody knows I'm American when reading my posts.
I feel the same way about the word "cunt"
I feel the same way about the word "cunt"
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That moment when you use a word to sound smart and then misspell it.
I knew that as soon as the knock on America came into play the cunt drop was soon to follow. It's like an itch that these dudes can't help but scratch.
1) Will let him know.
2) Good reason for that. It's bloody in these Era streets and most are sick and tired of having to fight for inches and still losing yards.
1) Will let him know.
2) Good reason for that. It's bloody in these Era streets and most are sick and tired of having to fight for inches and still losing yards.
Currently? Nothing much. That doesn't mean I don't have things to say on specific topics.
This is kind of like saying "You're funny! Tell me a joke!".
It just doesn't work that way. There has to be context.
Well you provided none when you cried about how you can't dissent here.
So...
Its just as sexist a term in Australia and the UK, regardless of how accepted and normalized it is there. "Joking" is never an excuse.
I honestly haven't seen many of these threads people are talking about, so I don't have an opinion on the way people have been handling them, but I wasn't just talking about that, it's pretty much any thread with any somewhat political topic.
If there's any lurkers still creeping this thread PM me what you think, I'm curious about your opinions.
It's just like the N-word tbh. White people really want to fucking say it because it's the one thing they can't say.
(I know they're not exactly the same, only insofar as they're both general 'forbidden' words for white men to say).
So I'm "crying" now? Do you really think saying things like that helps your cause? It doesn't. It makes you look like a petulant child with no argument.
Dark Souls 1 is not perfect, and is in fact the worst game in the soulsborne category.
Zelda: Ocarina of Time is not the best Zelda
Pokemon is boring
Mario feels faster than Sonic
I hold all of these opinions and more. So far, I have been disagreed with, but I did not get squashed, censored, sent to a gulag, nor did I get crucified, stabbed, made an example of. I wasn't even run over by skeletons on wheels.
Perhaps the problem is not holding different opinions, but what these opinions entail. It is easier to disagree on media than on who counts as a full person, for example.
If you think you can't repeat conservative talking points in political threads just say it.
Like rather than get defensive over vague assumptions and insinuations just leave your piece and we can talk about something concrete instead of taking shots at each other behind cover.
Like rather than get defensive over vague assumptions and insinuations just leave your piece and we can talk about something concrete instead of taking shots at each other behind cover.
I haven't been banned for writing dissenting opinions in political threads.
Proclaiming that no dissent is allowed here is like yes 100% crying.
Speaking of no argument... have you found yours yet?
I'm glad we're down to vague insinuations of opinions being quashed and tone policing. Pretty great that dudes can make a thread about ladies not feeling welcome about how they can't talk about certain things and it's so hard for them.
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