White = good and black = bad is more an old christianity thing.Another thing that get me is people are sub/coniuosly putting dark skin people in the same catagory as Namekians, Orcs, Kree, Nightelves, Yellow martians, etc.
That too, but I was saying the harm of fictionalizing people of color. Like you don't give much thought to orcs and evlves, why would you others you can just cosplay as?You mean, evil people are dark skinned? That trope?
Yeah, that's not racist in the slightest. *Ahem*.
People, write "race is not a costume" on the blackboard 100x please.
Ah, apologies. Both are shit really, and people who downplay this as just a costume forget both.That too, but I was saying the harm of fictionalizing people of color.
It's more complex than that I think. Racism is about belief. It doesn't need to be willful or hateful.
"The belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another."
Believing that someone else's race is yours to put on and take off like a costume seems racist to me. Discounting people's upset about it is clearly racist.
As an example of racism without intent, subconsciously clutching your valuables tighter when a black person comes near you is racist, even if you aren't aware of harboring any such beliefs or aren't aware of doing it.
I guess that's really what it comes down to: If you can believe this person had no idea that Black people find such things offensive.Racism is about belief, I agree, and its not always conscious or hateful, but I do think it needs a discriminatory belief. I don't think deciding to imitate a specific person, particularly in positive context, has that discriminatory element, and I don't think its inherently obvious that skin colour would be specifically unacceptable to imitate while other physical attributes are seen as fair game. Its not acceptable because of the wider cultural context, but this can be missed innocently, particularly if you're privileged enough not to be on the receiving end of racism.
Though I'd think people involved in cosplay on a serious basis, as seems to be the case here, wouldn't stumble into this innocently, because it seems to come up. This isn't some random kid in a Halloween costume making a mistake because they wanted to look like someone they admire.
So does racism, but people seem hellbent to keep that train rolling so if I have to put up with that than you can put up with the odd person being "cancelled".
Blackface doesn't become acceptable just because you're also painting your arms. I'd say I can't believe people are giving that argument the time of day, but...well, yeah, unfortunately I can.
Agree with this.It's a bloody good outfit, but yeah stick to your own skin colour. Even if you've done it with the most innocent of intentions, it's a respect thing. There's plenty of white characters out there for you to dress up as instead.
Why not just cosplay as your natural skin color? It's something that POC are practically forced to do considering the lack of representation and they almost always look incredible.
Their post afterwards is gross, too.
b/c everything has too any white or white skinned asians (Or League's problem whitee skinned thin female heavy and skins) you do what everyone else that's not white or asian has to do when cosplayingGaren is so laaaaaame tho; at least do Darius. Considering I presume Pike is her fave champ, I dislike the notion of just picking a different one just because her race doesn't match. If that were the case, there wouldn't have been any nonwhite/asian cosplayers in the scene for years because, prior to Lucian, there were literally 2 human champs that fit that description.
they BEEN alt'ing, 1at page even lol
is it? Because there are many example of "black holy mary" in Europe. And one of the three Wise Men has traditionally always be represented black.White = good and black = bad is more an old christianity thing.
I assume they're probably referring to light versus darkness imagery. People were generally less interested in grouping themselves and others by skin colour before we started getting into European colonization, and instead would look more at religious, tribal, citizen status lines and things like that. Like, Egyptians called themselves black, but because of the soil they lived on rather defining themslves by their skin.is it? Because there are many example of "black holy mary" in Europe. And one of the three Wise Men has traditionally always be represented black.
And Christinaity basically is from Middle East and gain immediate traction in the Mediterranean Basin.
I can't think of a canonical example of white=good black=bad in Christianity before the Slave Trade and the creation of the concept of "race".
Don't know if legit but : http://www.wou.edu/wp/exhibits/files/2015/07/christianity.pdfis it? Because there are many example of "black holy mary" in Europe. And one of the three Wise Men has traditionally always be represented black.
And Christinaity basically is from Middle East and gain immediate traction in the Mediterranean Basin.
I can't think of a canonical example of white=good black=bad in Christianity before the Slave Trade and the creation of the concept of "race".
Putting accuracy aside, a lot of the words on that particular document don't really match up cleanly to what you're saying. The first part of the symbolism of the colour black has to do with the womb, while the Catholicism and medieval Christianity who the document is specific to were big on venerating the mother of Jesus. The last part associates the colour with one of the days of the most important religious observance of the Christian calendar.Don't know if legit but : http://www.wou.edu/wp/exhibits/files/2015/07/christianity.pdf
I am really not a specialist on the matter and can be prove wrong at any time, no problem at all.Putting accuracy aside, a lot of the words on that particular document don't really match up cleanly to what you're saying. The first part of the symbolism of the colour black has to do with the womb, while the Catholicism and medieval Christianity who the document is specific to were big on venerating the mother of Jesus. The last part associates the colour with one of the days of the most important religious observance of the Christian calendar.
Not to say you're wrong overall, but that's not the best thing to demonstrate a white/black good/evil dichotomy.
Yep, but to understand that, you need to have empathy and my experience with people showed that it is not really a common quality.I think a lot of people don't grasp the concept of ( equal rules don't make everything equal ) they just see " so I can't dress up as a black person and I can't turn a black Popular character white? But poc can do the opposite and it's okay??"
the difference isn't just about offending people it's that the broader picture isn't equal even if there rules were. In this case the sheer lack of representation over all makes all the difference.
So the balance has to be shifted more in one direction for a while to really get the playing field even.
Of course... that's just in this context of " not done in hate" if anyone dresses up as a different race for hateful reasons then those people are always in the wrong.
Black-body *is* worse.Justin Tradeau literally painted his entire body black and rightfully got called out on it. BlackBody is worse. Not sure if thats even a phrase but you get what I'm saying.
Thinking of all the bans in here--*this* is the hill they chose to die on. Woof.A white woman resorting to blackface also happens to be bigoted towards non-binary people AND directs harassment towards those people, what a surprise!
The people banned in this thread should be aware of that, blackface isn't respectful of the character or of people, and it's clear she got other issues like her bigotry coming out in full display so she isn't some good person in general.
This reminds me of a recent comic, American Carnage. There is a racist hitman who wears an Obama mask while working. I now have Obama masks immediately tied to racism at first glance. Obviously, a white person wearing that would not be right. Can't see it even being worn for something other than mockery.Serious question, would wearing one of those Obama president masks be considered blackface?
Man, do I love honeypot topics!
I don't think there's a better way to clean house. lol
The people banned in this thread should be aware of that, blackface isn't respectful of the character or of people, and it's clear she got other issues like her bigotry coming out in full display so she isn't some good person in general.
could probably be from Roman times at the high of the usage of the word barbaricis it? Because there are many example of "black holy mary" in Europe. And one of the three Wise Men has traditionally always be represented black.
And Christinaity basically is from Middle East and gain immediate traction in the Mediterranean Basin.
I can't think of a canonical example of white=good black=bad in Christianity before the Slave Trade and the creation of the concept of "race".
Talk about "on the nose".
they don't always get banned there's like 15 in this thread alone that haven't yet, tho most have a short shelf lifeI never understood the point of alt accounts. Besides being the projection of a fragile ego, they always seemed to get banned and always end up also getting the original account banned too. But people keep doing it.