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dep9000

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Mar 31, 2020
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of course

Now it comes down to performance. These DF reviews are going to be interesting
 

AM_LIGHT

Member
Oct 30, 2017
3,725
Honestly native 4K is overrated . 1440p and up with good AA still looks sharp on a 4K screen . I'd rather they target something like 1800p and use the headroom for performance and visual effects.
AC Valhalla comparison is going to be exciting to watch because we will see if PS5 faster SSD can manifest real benefits in an open world game.
 

Ænima

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,513
Portugal
I would rather ultra at lower res reconstructed tbh
Same. I remember Digital Foundry mentioning that alot of games shown during the presentation looked like they were running at native 4k, and that was actually a waste of resorces since checkboard tech has evolded to the point it upscales to 4k wirh pretty much the same image quality, leaving more resorces available than pushing native 4k.
 

Tyaren

Character Artist
Verified
Oct 25, 2017
24,753
It be interesting to see what the actual resolution is for both systems. A stable native 4k 60 seems hard to believe.

Why is it so hard to believe that a cross gen game would be able to run 4K/60fps on next gen consoles? It might not be on the highest settings or with ray-tracing, that a 4K/30fps mode would offer.
 

KillLaCam

Prophet of Truth
Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,386
Seoul
So is this game actually well optimized or something? Cuz I bet Odyssey couldn't even run at 4k 60 on the new consoles.

Why is it so hard to believe that a cross gen game would be able to run 4K/60fps on next gen consoles? It might not be on the highest settings or with ray-tracing, that a 4K/30fps mode would offer.
My only reason is because of how bad Odyssey and Origins run on modern PC hardware.
 

Serious Sam

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
4,354
ERA really hates to be happy. A big sprawling open world game will be running at 4K60 on a $399 machine and people still aren't satisfied. Many concern trolls here are offshoot from "RE8 PS5 development troubles" FUD.
 

RivalGT

Member
Dec 13, 2017
6,395
Why is it so hard to believe that a cross gen game would be able to run 4K/60fps on next gen consoles? It might not be on the highest settings or with ray-tracing, that a 4K/30fps mode would offer.
Just going by past performance at native 4k. Also consoles have never run the game at 60 fps. So this would be a 1st for them.
 

xem

Member
Oct 31, 2017
2,043
Smallest power difference we have ever had between an Xbox and PlayStation. not surprised in the slightest.
 
Jul 25, 2020
340
I'll believe it when I see it. Have we seen Series X gameplay yet? I don't think there's any pc footage at 4K60. There are youtube videos at 4K60 but they look like 1080p footage uploaded to youtube at 4K.
 
Jan 29, 2018
9,390
Nice. It'll be interesting to see the direct comparison but it sounds like it'll be close enough.

Hopefully the game is good, too.
 

Zips

Member
Oct 25, 2017
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On team "fake" 4K. The last couple of Assassin's Creed games have been difficult as hell to run on even high end PC hardware at that res and framerate. But will be interesting to see once DF gets their hands on it.
 

klik

Banned
Apr 4, 2018
873
I don't understand that 4k native massive push. I would take 1440p with great graphial fidelity over native 4k any time
 

Fisty

Member
Oct 25, 2017
20,220
On team "fake" 4K. The last couple of Assassin's Creed games have been difficult as hell to run on even high end PC hardware at that res and framerate. But will be interesting to see once DF gets their hands on it.

Im not seeing what would be so hard about taking a game that will easily hit at least 1440p 30fps on Pro and getting that to 4K60 on PS5 at equivalent settings.
 

Relix

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,222
A 2080 has trouble running Odyssey at 4K/60 on Ultra. If anything I could see paired down shadows and draw distances. I am expecting a dynamic or reconstructed 4K which is fine if the aim is 60.
 

Linus815

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Oct 29, 2017
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A 2080 has trouble running Odyssey at 4K/60 on Ultra. If anything I could see paired down shadows and draw distances. I am expecting a dynamic or reconstructed 4K which is fine if the aim is 60.

odysey pc is also running on dx11 api which is completely choked by drawcalls for games this scale.
Anvil already got a vulkan patch with Breakpoint and it lifted up performance all across the board. Not dramatically, but if valhalla is built for dx12/vulkan from the get go, it could actually run better than odyssey.
 

Lucreto

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,636
I would love to see some next gen gameplay for Valhalla. We know it exists for next gen but we haven't seen anything yet.
 

Uhtred

Alt Account
Banned
May 4, 2020
1,340
odysey pc is also running on dx11 api which is completely choked by drawcalls for games this scale.
Anvil already got a vulkan patch with Breakpoint and it lifted up performance all across the board. Not dramatically, but if valhalla is built for dx12/vulkan from the get go, it could actually run better than odyssey.

Odyssey was DX11, holy cow, did not know that.
 

CrispyGamer

Banned
Jan 4, 2020
2,774
Didn't expect these responses this is great news oh well next generation launch is shaping up to be the best one yet third-party titles are looking strong
 

BoxScar

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Jul 21, 2020
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Low core CPUs have been pretty poor performance wise in recent AC games so it looks like the Devs are hitting the ground running tech wise. I think AC as a launch game is going to be quite the spectacle and a big "oh wow" for gamers who are use to 30fps. On my I5 4670k and 1080 I spent most of Odyssey at 45fps, so I'm very excited to try Valhalla out.
 

Uhtred

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May 4, 2020
1,340
Low core CPUs have been pretty poor performance wise in recent AC games so it looks like the Devs are hitting the ground running tech wise. I think AC as a launch game is going to be quite the spectacle and a big "oh wow" for gamers who are use to 30fps. On my I5 4670k and 1080 I spent most of Odyssey at 45fps, so I'm very excited to try Valhalla out.

Yeah hoping we are getting vulkan/DX12 now on PC with these engines, with better multi-threaded CPU performance out of the gate. Will love to see what a 3080 can do on this game when not CPU bottlenecking like on Odyssey.
 

Uhtred

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Banned
May 4, 2020
1,340
Of course it is. The UE 5 demo and TLoU II on Pro are here to prove it.
But I am not worried, it's a cross gen titles.

It depends though... it looks good on a TV from 8 feet away, but not on a monitor 3 feet away or on a large Tv from closer. But I think reconstruction techniques make a big difference as well. I do not know if the consopels will get something like DLSS in the future, but if they do, that's going to be the way to go for most games.
 

Uhtred

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Banned
May 4, 2020
1,340
I thought the ps5 was under powered and doomed?

This does not tell the whole story by a long shot. We do not know what sort of concessions, if any need to be made to match these two specs accors sboth consoles. Certainly on paper you would think concessions must be made, but we will not know until we can compare.

Not sure anyone here is claiming this makes the PS5 dead though, even if there are concessions.
 

Andromeda

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,846
The game is probably going to have a dynamic resolution on both machines. Both versions should have a stable framerate.
 

Thera

Banned
Feb 28, 2019
12,876
France
It depends though... it looks good on a TV from 8 feet away, but not on a monitor 3 feet away or on a large Tv from closer. But I think reconstruction techniques make a big difference as well. I do not know if the consopels will get something like DLSS in the future, but if they do, that's going to be the way to go for most games.
I am very close of my 55" 4K OLED TV
 

DieH@rd

Member
Oct 26, 2017
10,564
People should remember that AC Unity was 900p on both PS4 and Xbox One, even though PS4 had much more stronger GPU.

Ubisoft went with parity, there was a "big outrage" about it because it and Destiny were the first games to do so a year after consoles launched. We got few gold GIFs about that parity "betrayal" event on old forum. lol

AC Valhalla could be 4K on both now, with Series X leaving performance on the table because Ubisoft wanted the same presentation on both platforms. We'll see soon enough.
 

Quinton

Specialist at TheGamer / Reviewer at RPG Site
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Oct 25, 2017
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Midgar, With Love
I haven't even played an Assassin's Creed game since Black Flag, and I'm well aware that some of the critiques toward their design philosophy aren't necessarily to my taste. But if I purchase a PS5 before year's end, I think I might use this + Bloodborne as my launch titles.