Oooof PLEASE.
But tbh I would want Forza: Midnight Club Underground lol. Give me that arcadey racing in a city with drifting, nos, etc.
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Eurogamer: Layoffs at OnRush dev Evo, Driveclub director Rushy let go
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Oooof PLEASE.
But tbh I would want Forza: Midnight Club Underground lol. Give me that arcadey racing in a city with drifting, nos, etc.
The first 2 werent. But the third yes, very bad timing and i dont think that was what the majority of motorstorm fans wanted the franchise to go after the superb pacific rift.
This is going to sound stupid but, if OnRush got a Battle Royal mode it would have exploded. The game should not have had a $60 MSRP.
I keep saying this! I dont think Apocalypse is what the majority of Motorstorm fans wanted to see next after the Greatest Brutal Off road racer game "Pacific Rift" and the launch timing of Apocalypse couldnt have been worse. A new Motorstorm game could do very well right now. There is absolutely nothing like it on the ps4. I want that adrenaline feeling back!!!
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I still think the main problem was making the game for a largely non-existant audience, but it doesn't change the fact that the whole situation was handled poorly. The beta wasn't a good demo and they also should've slashed the prices quickly just like Bethesda had for Dishonored 2 and Prey when they flopped (and they weren't even games that had to heavily rely on building a userbase).
Sad news.
I've paid and played games developed by Evolution Studios since 2001. Started with World Rally Championship all the way through the MotorStorm series and DriveClub. Basically nearly all of their games. WRC II Extreme, MotorStorm Pacific Rift and DriveClub being stand-out titles for me.
I just wonder if Yoshida could give them a call and just ask...'Where do you want to go?'.
I hope it all works out for them because talent of this nature needs to be doing what they love the most.
Good luck guys/gals.
EDIT: or it would be nice for PlayGround Games to lend a hand.
I've paid and played games developed by Evolution Studios since 2001. Started with World Rally Championship all the way through the MotorStorm series and DriveClub. Basically nearly all of their games. WRC II Extreme, MotorStorm Pacific Rift and DriveClub being stand-out titles for me.
I just wonder if Yoshida could give them a call and just ask...'Where do you want to go?'.
I hope it all works out for them because talent of this nature needs to be doing what they love the most.
Good luck guys/gals.
EDIT: or it would be nice for PlayGround Games to lend a hand.
Damn, had no idea it had already dropped to $39.99 or else I would have picked it up.
Now though definitely hesitant to do so as the whole selling point of the game was the promise of what it could eventually be, not what it was. And I do think that is ultimately what really hurt it.
Best of luck to everyone affected, especially Rushy. Always came off as an incredibly good person to me.
Now though definitely hesitant to do so as the whole selling point of the game was the promise of what it could eventually be, not what it was. And I do think that is ultimately what really hurt it.
Best of luck to everyone affected, especially Rushy. Always came off as an incredibly good person to me.
I agree with this. However, it could not have kept player numbers for very long, the way the game is (from what I've seen and heard).
Rocket League would have bombed like Onrush, maybe worse without the day-1 free-with-PS+ thing, but people loved Rocket League for it's high skill ceiling and sense of getting better ever so slightly. OnRush is just refreshing dumb fun and doesn't seem to offer this long-term sense of mastery.
What I mean is, for it to have been the next Rocket League, the gameplay would have needed to be more complex and easy-to-learn/hard-to-master. Evo could not have fed off cosmetic microtransactions with a PS+/GWG deal as long as Psyonix did (still does actually) from Rocket League.
they slashed the price quickly enough, it´s still on sale on PSN for half the price with PS Plus. i think the train left the station already, even if it is going on sale for 20 bucks, not many people will bite. the market changed fundamentally in the last years and it´s not the kind of game which gets a huge userbase.
i hate to say it but the game seemed doomed from the get go when people caught wind that it isn´t a traditional racer like Motorstorm the whole thing was completely uninteresting for many people. the beta further sealed the deal for many to say "no, not for me". it was one of those times a beta did more harm than good and the game never recovered from this.
Don't, just don't it still hurts : ( BLUR was an outstanding game.
It sucks, but pretty much everyone told them from the moment they first announced it wouldn't be a traditional racing game.
Not having at least one racing orienated mode after so many months of feedback is one of the most pigheaded decisions I've seen this gen.
I think even the promise of one, as post launch DLC would have been enough.
Not having at least one racing orienated mode after so many months of feedback is one of the most pigheaded decisions I've seen this gen.
I think even the promise of one, as post launch DLC would have been enough.
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Honestly, never even heard of OnRush until the podcasts I listened to started talking about it when it released. And even then it wasn't gushing praise.
Terrible for the job losses, though. They're a very talented studio.
Terrible for the job losses, though. They're a very talented studio.
I love Driveclub but honestly, I could see Onrush disappointing in sales from miles away :/ Super sorry for the guys, ofc especially Rushy. Is he still here with us?
Released at a shitty time (really hot weather), had pretty much zero marketing and the price probably didn't help.
The audience that love them don't play on consoles anymore, if they play games at all.
Onrush feels like it came and went without any fanfare at all.
With so many options in the genre, it's not surprising the title got buried.
Meanwhile, Switch owners be like, "Please, give us anything that isn't a mobile port."
With so many options in the genre, it's not surprising the title got buried.
Meanwhile, Switch owners be like, "Please, give us anything that isn't a mobile port."
the tracks simply aren´t made for racing, they are designed as some kind of endless "track arenas", pure racing would be very boring in this game. it just isn´t made for that.
which options exactly? gimme a break, arcade style fun car games aren´t a thing anymore, there is nothing (!) like Onrush on the market.
Sure, I agree with that. I did enjoy Apocalypse, but PR is by far my favorite.
+Easy Allies 9/10. so yeah, it did well review wise
I think a lot of it was just due to the style not clicking with some reviewers, but it's worth recognizing that the meta-average settled around 76. Not terrible in any sense, but not glowing in the way you'd like for a new series. Which seeing the results behind the scenes, is really frustrating.
If some of the changes they got live pretty quickly after launch had been in place for the first stage of the public beta, I'd like to think this could have played out differently.
Yeah it's weird and OnRush has been so much fun to play. It's sad that more people didn't give it a chance.
It reviewed great, people that did pick it up have been having a blast, I guess it's just one of those really good games that just didn't sell for various reasons.
Thankfully it has a solid, fun single player, so I can keep playing if they decide to kill the online servers.
Well, sorry, someone should of been brave enough to say "umm maybe we shouldn't be ditching traditional racing entirely".
The moment the game was revealed, people were asking where the race mode was. It was pigheaded to not throw them a bone.
This is a multi-format game (PS4 & XBO) that reviewed quite well (75%ish Metacritic) from a company that has a great racing heritage (Motorstorm). To only sell 1000 physical copies is absolutely shocking. I don't think it can be regarded as a reflection of the game's quality but has everything to do with the marketing budget, PR, etc and how much the publisher pushed it. A real shame.
That sounds like a good idea. Gran Turismo & Forza is for the petrolhead's but open world racing like Forza Horizon i think is much more accessible to the masses. I'd have loved to have seen them make an equivalent game for PlayStation. As the team was totally separate from Polyphony Digital it would have had its own unique flavour, the amazing feel of Motorstorm races in an open world!
They created a game that only appealed to a fraction of arcade racing fans. It was bound to fail.
i am afraid this will be a thing in the coming weeks...it would really suck. i imagine they will launch ranked mode, see the player numbers and pull the plug for good.
They wanted to make a racing Overwatch.
But Overwatch is still a first person shooter. Even if you don't like it's approach, fans of shooters have something to latch on to.
Onrush is a racing game, with no hooks for someone into traditional racing games. You could have turned it into a third person speedrunners mod and lost none of the gameplay. For every one person they gained with that approach, they lost 5.
There is actually nothing like Motorstorm on any console nowadays. Motorstorm was fantastic with it's different vehicles and different routes on the same courses and the overall brutality and adrenaline. Outstanding games.
Totally agree with this - Apocalypse was a first big misstep. Reduced focus on interesting track layouts with an increased focus on spectacle, a hit to the visuals (probably to accommodate the increased complexity of all the deforming geometry), a totally useless story mode with awful hand drawn cutscenes (though that was very late gen Sony so probably not Evo's fault) - all these things left a sour taste coming off the arguably-greatest-arcade-racer-of-gen-7, Pacific Rift.
Having said that, Pacific Rift and Driveclub are both totally outstanding, I will enormously miss this team :(
Being a huge Motorstorm fan during the PS3 era, I was super excited about OnRush the first time I saw it, especially when I heard Rushy's team was working on it, but the minute they clarified what the game actually was, it was pretty much like all the air left my sails for it. I would have been on board Day One for even a spiritual successor to Motorstorm, but this is not that, and it's not anything I see myself getting excited for unfortunately. I feel bad that they were able to get a foothold in the gaming community with it, hopefully they land on their feet somewhere else and make something even better.
Maybe they will still release the PC version at a lower price and keep the game at a lower price on console to boost the numbers a bit, to keep it going for longer.
Fingers crossed anyway.
I am a racing game fan and pretty much like all types of racing games and this game just did not click with me at all. I really disliked the in-between racing dialogue they had going on and like others have said, it just did not seem like a well put thought out game.
Which is fine, but blaming the fans for this isn't right. We're not here to support experiments. I'd just like some solid driving with cars, nice graphics and physics that are not too hard to master like GT/FM. They didn't deliver that with Onrush so I didn't see any reason to buy it even on the PSN sale.
I did buy Driveclub Bikes on the sale though!
Pacific Rift ranks among my top 10 ps3 games. Heck i would even say top 5.
which dialogue exactly? there is only talking in the tutorial which lasts 5minutes....
Well, i said ps4 because i dont own any other console :( anyways Motorstorm Pacific Rift ranks among my top 5 ps3 games of all time. And Arctic Edge ranks among my top 5 psp games of all time, heck now that i think about Arctic Edge would have been a better successor to Pacific Rift than Apocalypse was.
Except for the fact that you can upgrade individual parts in cars, tune, turn about 15 assists on or off... none of which you could do in GRID or DC. Arcade by definition is jump-in-and-play. When you have that many customisation and gameplay-affecting options before you even drive the car, it's not arcade.
In a literal sense, think about actual reavers in arcades like Daytona, Sega Rally and Ridge Racer. You select a car, a track and manual/auto gears and that's it. What options are there in FH?
No arcade racer in any sense has that level of customisation.
It's not that it's missing a traditional racing mode. If it had that, but still had the same review scores how many more people would have picked it up? There are more people in this thread saying "Wait, this released?" or "Would've bought but too expensive" than "Should've had an racing mode".
That's purely marketing and nothing else.
I still don't get the pricing of the game... it was as much as other games Codies do, but they have fucking massive licenses attached *and* people know what they're getting.
That's pretty much what Switch mode is though, just with teams.
I agree with you that it should have been a day-1 free on PS+ thing, because I see so much parallel between the type of game this is and RL. Completely disagree about "just refreshing dumb fun" though. Keep hearing people saying that but it's not what I hear from anyone who has played the game more than a first couple of rounds. There *is* a lot of depth, and it provides ample room to build up your skills. A level 40 player will not stand up to a level 100 player. Hell even last night I was being tested as a level ~180 player going up against a level ~300 player.
That it's "just dumb fun" is patently false and very undeserving. I can see why people may reach the conclusion after just a few rounds, because the depth is not immediately apparent. It only starts sinking in once you get over the "wowness" of insane cars jumping all over each other and begin to get a feel for the underlying physics model and exploiting the nature of the different vehicles and powers.
Onrush may have failed for many reasons, but it's not because it was lacking as a game in and of itself.
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Thanks for this, the whole tuning and upgrade side of it had somehow slipped my mind. Forza Horizon is an open world driving sim. It's not quite as heavy on the sim side of things as Forza Motorsport, but it's actually pretty close. The fact it's jam packed with non-track racing activities doesn't really change that.
Ultimately, it kind of feels like the arcade racer is almost dead at this point, at least until you go to the complete extremes with Mario Kart. As much as OnRush was obviously doomed for a dozen reasons, no-one seems to know how to succeed in this sub-genre any more. The worst thing is that while I think back on various arcade racing games I've really liked over the past decade or so (Burnout Paradise, GRID, Blur, Motorstorm) I'm not sure a new version of those would actually find success. It feels like it should be kinda easy, especially given the lack of competition, but game after game is falling flat right now.
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That makes it even more sad that they didn't simply make an arcade racer. Field was wide open and they made an unforced error.
Before I start with how callous and unusually Codemasters has handled Evo, more generally I'm getting the impression that Codemasters is more content with developing games than marketing them to any acceptable level. Last year a similar pattern and fate was met for Dirt 4 where the space between reveal to release was so short and even less was shown in between the two which led to a bunch of folks not even conscious of its existence when it eventually released, people who otherwise followed the franchise. Later, it clearly underperformed and had a minuscule OT at neogaf despite rather strong critical reception.
This was all for an established franchise with past success, yet Codemasters committed all those exact errors with this, a brand new IP, which it self has much to establish for itself. Then, on top of that, it had the burden of converting skeptics based on its departure from conventional racing, failing to give it any time to change people's minds. Back in late February, there was no live, uncut gameplay revealed in any form yet, so close to release, and I recall posting in the main thread before the OT that it was baffling that so little was shared so close to release. The marketing, instead, was instead decided on a 3 month flurry of gameplay and information leading up to release. In short, the marketing and pace of information released was far too slow and limited for a new IP and it totally shot the game in the foot, and the results are clear. They approached the marketing for this game like Fallout 4 or RDR 2, leaving the gameplay late, without recognizing that new IPs need far more exposure than established and high profile franchises like that, perhaps overestimating the amount of hype that could be generated by the Evolution name and the prospect of them revisiting their pure arcade racing roots.
It's already been covered by others here but I'll reiterate how fucked up Codemasters treated Evo here and the ending of this chapter between the two is quite tragic. From where they started, rescuing Evolution from a certain death, to becoming their executioner, within two years. Seriously, what was the thinking from the Codies? It's clear Evo was handed a limited budget, an even more limited amount of marketing muscle, handed a reveal to release window of less than a year, and then effectively closed them down and stomped out their independence at the first hint of failure. It seems so poorly conceived.
I also don't buy that the timing was that key to its failure, though it definitely raised the odds. Vampyr, released on the same exact day, sold 500k within a few weeks.
I'd like to single this post out because it hits on something that I've thought for a while about such gamers who are often clamouring for innovation in games. Most of these people, either on Era or on other such dedicated circles, simply don't walk the walk on this front. They loudly proclaim their love and hunger for new experiences, implying how unconditionally they are ready to sink their teeth into them, but at the first sign of trouble or unwelcome to their expectation, start raising obstacles, setting conditions for their purchase and a host of reasons NOT to buy something ex. 'too expensive' 'no racing equals no buy' 'metacritic too low' 'not a new motorstorm?.'
The conclusion to be drawn from these posts is that the state of the racing audience is such that those who are demanding a fresh, less realistic approach have, in reality, an only passing and marginal interest in such experiences and are likely only there for a bonafide success, not one that is slightly short of the mark no matter how much short that might be, below 80 metacritic or another criteria they judge by. This excludes the alienation of the racing gaming faithful who seem to be quite exact and rigid in the kind of racing they want, a kind which is quite traditional and then naturally would want the standard racing, with at best indifference or general opposition to deviations from that core of racing lines, careful cornering, A to B racing, perfecting lap times etc. that's already been done over and over again.
This was all for an established franchise with past success, yet Codemasters committed all those exact errors with this, a brand new IP, which it self has much to establish for itself. Then, on top of that, it had the burden of converting skeptics based on its departure from conventional racing, failing to give it any time to change people's minds. Back in late February, there was no live, uncut gameplay revealed in any form yet, so close to release, and I recall posting in the main thread before the OT that it was baffling that so little was shared so close to release. The marketing, instead, was instead decided on a 3 month flurry of gameplay and information leading up to release. In short, the marketing and pace of information released was far too slow and limited for a new IP and it totally shot the game in the foot, and the results are clear. They approached the marketing for this game like Fallout 4 or RDR 2, leaving the gameplay late, without recognizing that new IPs need far more exposure than established and high profile franchises like that, perhaps overestimating the amount of hype that could be generated by the Evolution name and the prospect of them revisiting their pure arcade racing roots.
It's already been covered by others here but I'll reiterate how fucked up Codemasters treated Evo here and the ending of this chapter between the two is quite tragic. From where they started, rescuing Evolution from a certain death, to becoming their executioner, within two years. Seriously, what was the thinking from the Codies? It's clear Evo was handed a limited budget, an even more limited amount of marketing muscle, handed a reveal to release window of less than a year, and then effectively closed them down and stomped out their independence at the first hint of failure. It seems so poorly conceived.
I also don't buy that the timing was that key to its failure, though it definitely raised the odds. Vampyr, released on the same exact day, sold 500k within a few weeks.
I'd like to single this post out because it hits on something that I've thought for a while about such gamers who are often clamouring for innovation in games. Most of these people, either on Era or on other such dedicated circles, simply don't walk the walk on this front. They loudly proclaim their love and hunger for new experiences, implying how unconditionally they are ready to sink their teeth into them, but at the first sign of trouble or unwelcome to their expectation, start raising obstacles, setting conditions for their purchase and a host of reasons NOT to buy something ex. 'too expensive' 'no racing equals no buy' 'metacritic too low' 'not a new motorstorm?.'
The conclusion to be drawn from these posts is that the state of the racing audience is such that those who are demanding a fresh, less realistic approach have, in reality, an only passing and marginal interest in such experiences and are likely only there for a bonafide success, not one that is slightly short of the mark no matter how much short that might be, below 80 metacritic or another criteria they judge by. This excludes the alienation of the racing gaming faithful who seem to be quite exact and rigid in the kind of racing they want, a kind which is quite traditional and then naturally would want the standard racing, with at best indifference or general opposition to deviations from that core of racing lines, careful cornering, A to B racing, perfecting lap times etc. that's already been done over and over again.
Well, if this game winds up like the Dirt games do on PSN (constantly on sale for about $8-15), I hope more folks will give it a chance.
There's still a pretty active base of players, and it's honestly a blast. No, it's not a traditional racer, but I'd still reach for it ahead of a game like The Crew 2 any day.
There's still a pretty active base of players, and it's honestly a blast. No, it's not a traditional racer, but I'd still reach for it ahead of a game like The Crew 2 any day.
Also, I've never seen anyone use the post game chat in such a manic, rapid fashion as I did when I played a match with our own SunhiLegend this morning.