Gotcha. Must have missed that. I've been tuning in and out of the E3 coverage over the past few days from the office, so I've definitely passed over segments.
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Eurogamer: Leaks suggest Retro Studios making Star Fox racing spin-off (also heard by EG's sources)
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This. Been tryin to say it. Everyone is moving away from treating it as the Holy Grail of announcements (except "gamers", those damn mongrels that get stuck in their ways and everything new is met with wrath).
I think that this is one of the main reasons. They knew how fucking stupid people can be and they went to damage control mode with the 4 reveal.
Seriously, "gamers" have ruined the whole thing. Fucking cry babies whining all the time. Just go out and eat a carrot. Games are not that serious.
I think this is particularly troublesome as I don't think that is the ideal result of consolidation. It certainly must be acknowledged that handheld development costs were rising as well, but I don't think that the move to Switch should end the market for 3DS-quality games. Pokemon Let's Go is an example of such a game coming into HD -- please put aside production value complaints. I really really want a Samus Returns HD and a Isometric-style Zelda (like ALBW) for Switch. There are a lot of DS and 3DS games that could use a little love and polish that would be perfect on Switch.
But if all they've done is shift teams towards AAA development with maybe a 25% boost to production, that's going to be really sad...
Ah, Liam, disregarding the fact of getting the Swirch reveal completely wrong, just like LKD, he's also such a nice guy and not full of himself.
It's easy to say "oops sorry" after you've been discrediting actual true info for days with the worst attitude. Same with LKD, she was an ass about her leaks for days and even went as far as threatening Nintendo for not inviting her at an event, then it turned out 90% of what she said was completely made up.
I much prefer Emily, Zhuge and Nate here on ERA, because they can actually keep shut until they're really sure about something, which is usually days before an event or after someone else already broke the story, instead of blabbing nonsense for "clicks" or to feel self-important.
Just to give you an example, Liam could've said "that leak may be true but isn't in line with what I know", yet he was so sure it was fake and publicly posted to "disregard it"
It's easy to say "oops sorry" after you've been discrediting actual true info for days with the worst attitude. Same with LKD, she was an ass about her leaks for days and even went as far as threatening Nintendo for not inviting her at an event, then it turned out 90% of what she said was completely made up.
I much prefer Emily, Zhuge and Nate here on ERA, because they can actually keep shut until they're really sure about something, which is usually days before an event or after someone else already broke the story, instead of blabbing nonsense for "clicks" or to feel self-important.
Just to give you an example, Liam could've said "that leak may be true but isn't in line with what I know", yet he was so sure it was fake and publicly posted to "disregard it"
I think that's mostly what they're are doing. People bitch too much about $60 price tags on lower production value games. Mobile games will be their portable level games for the most part once 3DS support is completely killed off IMO.
There will be some exceptions like Pokémon Let's Go and maybe a 2D Zelda etc. but I bet those will be few and far between.
That people should lower their expectations re: Nintendo's E3. Simple.
The gaming community really does get more and more bitter and salty each year. He gets something right, it's sarcastic applause, he gets something wrong, it's hatred and death threats.
hey, i said that too
am i an insider now
can one of my fellow insiders tell me when pikmin 4 is coming out
It's time to move on from E3. Maybe if there's a strong enough outcry Nintendo will reveal Star Fox GP earlier (probably not).
Try and be adult about things. If he gets something wrong, criticise or pay less attention to him. If he gets something right, admit it like a man.
I don't know how a vague unspecific statement like that (that other people also said) is "getting something right". But okay.
I still remember that one time a friend of Liam Robertson name searched him on twitter and bumped a month old tweet of mine and then @ him on me and he confronted me because I was saying there was no reason to think Shovel Knight was in Smash...
I actually think it was Seamus Returns that forced their hand, not Federation force. Can you imagine the outrage if they only announced Seamus Returns? People would have been so furious that Metroid wasn't coming to Switch and would have taken it out on poor SR. so I think that was pre-emotive damage control. But I can't explain Pokemon's announcement. Unless you think they were hinting at Let's go. (which I definitely do not)
100%. I think insiders know about games, but they don't know when they'll be announced or when games are coming out.
Every time I see this I wonder "what do you want Retro to make?"
Because it's not Metroid Prime 4, that's another team.
The rumors said they were working on another game and had development troubles to where it might be cancelled.
This is a quality post. Gets right to the heart of the issue.
Damiani said on the latest EZA podcast he knew about the game, but it was never meant to be announced at E3, but at a later date. Insiders who told him about Starfox Grand Prix were apparently astounded that everyone automatically assumed it would be there, but given the timing it shouldn't be that surprising...
Can someone please photoshop Samus with a St Patrick's Day green hat on her head and a pint of Guinness in her hand?
Lol. Everyone automatically assumes it'll be at every upcoming Direct because it's been so fucking long since we've heard what Retro is doing. It's reached a point now where if their game isn't a masterpiece, people will be grabbing their pitchforks.
None of the insiders said it would be there. They all pretty much said it was a 2019 game. The fans thought maybe because it was leaked earlier this year, then it might Nintendo was close to revealing at this E3.
Idk why people always act like they know so much more or think they're smarter than other people. I can't stand that in this community.
Yeah I remember trying to warn people all the time in this thread and in the pre-E3 threads that it's very likely this game wouldn't be there, but no one wanted to listen to that. No idea why.
Have you played it recently?
It's garbage.
Every quest is a horrible fetch quest.
The combat never evolves and is repetitive as hell.
Then the game randomly ends before you feel it really got started.
Also, traversal is terrible. Dead ends in maps, etc.
It's not a good game at all. It's just pretty.
Yeah it sucks in general that we've gone 5 E3's without seeing a Retro game or hearing a word from Nintendo on their game.
I think after FF if they announced Samus Returns for 3DS and had ZERO Switch Metroid news the fans would have exploded. Hand was definitely forced.
Could be, but think about FF compared to Samus Returns. FF used the prime name but didn't feature the main protagonist, was multiplayer focused, and looked radically different from other games in the series. SR is a remake of a traditional 2D Metroid. I think the reaction would have been just as same as it ended up being. There was more of a stink surrounding it being the reason AM2R was D&Cd, rather than the game itself.
I don't think they thought they had to tease it early, but it could certainly seem like the safe bet.
And didn't we already have word that there were console and handheld games in development beforehand? Could be they just wanted to reveal them together all along.
I should say this isn't all the time. I think some insiders do get that information of when a game will be revealed, but going by some reactions after this E3, some seem puzzled Nintendo didn't announce games they knew about.
Nintendo already said they were gonna show 2019 games at a later date, dont know why people didnt listen, Metroid Prime 4 and Star Fox will be shown at that later date, only reason Fire Emblem was shown was due to them saying it was coming this year.
Daemon x Machina was also shown, but given that the UI and subtitles were already in english, I'm guess that's a Q1 2019 game
Fire Emblem and Dameon X Machina were shown. They never really go by what they literally say. That thing is more of a "Temper your expectations" "Be realistic" kind of thing.
There is. People want a regular (good) Starfox and you can see this by the hype Fox got appearing in that Ubisoft game.
Maybe we can have something like 10 regular on-rails Arwing levels along with the racing.
I wonder if the Starlink announcement was the cause of the leak. Like someone in the know heard that Starfox was going to make an appearance at E3, and assumed it was Grand Prix. The timing was rather odd.
That's what the rumor states. It is not like F-Zero, it's traditional star fox with shooting, but there are other players trying to reach the end of the level before you do.
So as I said, there is no reason to believe that. You're just pulling stuff out of thin air.
They did not decide to retool the game out of nowhere because of Starlink at E3.
Do you really think Retro taking 5 years to make a Starfox racing spinoff is the best in Nintendo's interests? Starfox itself has never been a huge seller, and this is a spinoff of a franchise whose last few games sold poorly.
Like it's no surprise Retro will be in serious shit if this game bombs. Nintendo may either sell them to Microsoft or shut them down.
Like it's no surprise Retro will be in serious shit if this game bombs. Nintendo may either sell them to Microsoft or shut them down.
I'll second this.
I think they wanted to give Starlink the Fox spotlight, and start promoting Star Fox Racing as a mid-2019 release.
No, there is literally zero reason besides pointless speculation and wishful(?) thinking.
This is even more reason to think it WON'T be a traditional Star Fox game. Neither Nintendo nor Ubisoft would want there to be that specific a tie in that close to separate games releasing. But if Nintendo is lending the character for a more traditional experience, while making a spin off themselves that won't directly compete it makes a lot more sense.
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