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Eurogamer - PS4 Pro's new super-sampling tested: big boosts for 1080p users
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So happy that they've added this feature. Having universal supersampling was the big reason I picked up an Xbox One X over a Pro (as a 1080p user) and this will make it much more likely that I'll grab a Pro in the future when they're a bit cheaper.
The comparison images in the article suggest however that none of the now forced supersampling looks as crisp and clear as games that supersample by default (especially visible in the The Last Guardian, Call of Duty and Metal Gear Solid images).
From my own experience supersampled games normaly have crisper textures and more detail. In these comparison pics all supersampled images look blurrier, textures have less detail. Is this system wide supersampling solution not as effective as in games supersampling on their own?
From my own experience supersampled games normaly have crisper textures and more detail. In these comparison pics all supersampled images look blurrier, textures have less detail. Is this system wide supersampling solution not as effective as in games supersampling on their own?
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resolution
Correct me if im wrong but downsampling is effectively an AA method, which sometimes makes the game blurrier, and not something thatll give you 4k sharpness on a 1080p screen.
Resolution is the only option that will give you supersampling.
Usually games look crisper as well, especially textures and texture filtering. Where's the Titanfall comparison pic that shows so well what downsampling on the Pro does when needed, lol?
Edit: Found it:
The recent Shadow of the Colossus for example too looks much crisper and less blurry in 1440p downsampled than the 1080p base PS4 version or the 1080p PS4 Pro performance version.
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You can switch supersampling on or off on a per game basis if need be.
But it seems some hiccups occur like missing graphical featires (disabling AO in Rocket League) and the best way to play PS4 Pro games is still by having a 4K HDR TV.
It would be missing AO on a 4K screen too. The software is behaving exactly as if it's outputting to a 4K screen, so there are no graphical or performance differences.
Here's a quick grab of the comparison pics of the article:
Yeah, jaggies are mostly gone, but apart from that the image quality looks worse in each supersampled image. What is going on there?
From my own experience games that downsample on their own do usually look crisper and clearer than they do in 1080p resolution. Like Horizon Zero Dawn, Uncharted 4, Shadow of the Colossus...
Yeah, jaggies are mostly gone, but apart from that the image quality looks worse in each supersampled image. What is going on there?
From my own experience games that downsample on their own do usually look crisper and clearer than they do in 1080p resolution. Like Horizon Zero Dawn, Uncharted 4, Shadow of the Colossus...
Huh? This is completely wrong in so many ways. It's the exact opposite.
Screenshots or youtube videos won't do it enough justice. It should be a lot more apparent in motion as shimmering is noticeably gone.
I agree. The difference from the screenshots is barely visible. In motion the difference is stunning.
Comparisons with screenshots (and streaming videos) are pointless.
An explanation would be wonderful unless you mean downsampling makes games jaggier and upscales them.
The only game where it not really works is FF XIV. You can literally see that it was never meant to get downsampled, the whole HUD is downsampled too which means its very small on a 1080p screen and it doesn't improves the screen that much, it also runs like crap in that mode, even in housing areas it goes down from smooth 50-60 frames to under 30, don't want to know how it is in a huge fight on 4K.
What I mean is what I said, it's the complete opposite, it makes games look razor sharp and clean as a whistle, it does gives you 4K greatness on a 1080p screen. In most occasions, it let your games look like a painting because of the perfect anti aliasing and way improved screen clearness.
What I mean is what I said, it's the complete opposite, it makes games look razor sharp and clean as a whistle, it does gives you 4K greatness on a 1080p screen. In most occasions, it let your games look like a painting because of the perfect anti aliasing and way improved screen clearness.
A picture speaks more than a thousand words. ;) Here's an image of how a downsampled image usually looks in comparison to just 1080p:
Sounds like a result from checkerboarding losing some pixel detail on the textures. That doesn't happen on non checkerboard games looking at the comparison tool.Here's a quick grab of the comparison pics of the article:
Yeah, jaggies are mostly gone, but apart from that the image quality looks worse in each supersampled image. What is going on there?
From my own experience games that downsample on their own do usually look crisper and clearer than they do in 1080p resolution. Like Horizon Zero Dawn, Uncharted 4, Shadow of the Colossus...
titanfall 2 base dropped to 720p, while pro was mostly locked 1440p. So this comparison is might be affected by that.A picture speaks more than a thousand words. ;) Here's an image of how a downsampled image usually looks in comparison to just 1080p:
so what you're saying is display resolution only acts as a detriment to the image?
I imagine the higher pixel count also results in a higher quality depth of field, which could explain some of the blurriness. But looking specifically at the last MGS V screenshot, it's almost as if there is an AF-pass missing. I guess that might also be something stemming from the resolution being 1440p (or any other non-native/non-multiplicative for other games).
Indeed you are wrong. Not all AA methods blur the image. Supersampling is the best (alas, more power hungry) AA method for IQ and it doesn't blur the image.
Good on Sony for listening to their users and implementing this feature. I use it whenever possible on my 1080p monitor.
Name change, gifting, and store refunds are what I'm hoping for still.
Name change, gifting, and store refunds are what I'm hoping for still.
Wish we had some Kingdom Hearts comparison shots.
Using driver downsampling, the oldest OGSSAA method, I never got good results downsampling from 1440p, it always looked blurry to me and worse than native, so not unlike some of these shots. Driver downsampling was only worth it to me starting from 2880x1620, but really noticeable from 3200x1800 and higher.
Then there's bicubic and lanczos, that you get through GeDoSaTo, in my experience they're always the best options and give you the best image quality from any resolution, but I doubt the PS4 is using one of them.
Depends on the scaling method. DSR for example relies on the Gaussian filter in the form of a Blur percentage slider. The only way for you to get a clear image downsampling with DSR is to set Blur to 0% and downsample from 4X the resolution, so native 4K to 1080p, for example.
Using driver downsampling, the oldest OGSSAA method, I never got good results downsampling from 1440p, it always looked blurry to me and worse than native, so not unlike some of these shots. Driver downsampling was only worth it to me starting from 2880x1620, but really noticeable from 3200x1800 and higher.
Then there's bicubic and lanczos, that you get through GeDoSaTo, in my experience they're always the best options and give you the best image quality from any resolution, but I doubt the PS4 is using one of them.
MHW has always downsampled/supersampled (when set to resolution mode) so it's a moot point in regards to this new supersampling feature.
Oh wow, so Bloodborne on a Pro renders at 1080p right even on 4K TV? So it will make the game look even better on Pro?
True, but it doesn't seem to present any texture detail loss (for me anyway)
No
It's in Beta currently.
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Yeah I dont know what the 3rd game is on the pic is but the other 2 are native res. TLG is around 1900p. Maybe just bad image compression.
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Bloodborne has no Pro support, and this isn't how supersampling/downsampling works.
So it's how I thought it'd be: the Pro is tricked into believing it's connected to a 4K display.
This means the final composited 4K output is down scaled to 1080p, and this includes UI elements.
So in the case of GT Sport, the flow is:
- 1800cb upscale to 4K, add 4K UI, downscale all to 1080p, output
Whereas the optimum would be:
- 1800cb, downscale to 1080p, add 1080p UI, output
This is pretty disappointing.
Finally, it's shitty that 1080p users aren't getting it by default. I actually ugprade to LG OLED because i'm not getting much from my Pro.
heh
Awesome! This is a fantastic feature for 1080p PRO owners (like me)! It really should've been there from the start tho.
I think you've been misinformed. PS4 games on Pro generally run better/smoother than the do on the base model. In fact, I can't think of any games, even in high res modes, that actually run worse on Pro. Boost Mode also provides ample benefits to the generates of unpatched games.
No, I don't think you understand how supersampling works. It only affects games running at a resolution higher than 1080p. It effectively takes that higher resolution, and squishes it down to 1080p, resulting in greatly improved image quality. It won't affect BloodBorne, because that game only runs at 1080p.
No, it works down rather than up.
>Render game above 1080p resolution
>Downscale that game to 1080p without changing the internal higher resolution
= awesome AA
The feature is for these select few Pro titles that lock 1080p Pro users out of downsampling/supersampling:
Why are several PS4 Pro games arbitrarily locking 1080p users out of downsampling? |2.0|
Pro patched games generally run better than games running on a regular PS4. There is maybe a handfull that run worse, Skyrim is the only one that comes to mind. But yeah supersampling by itself wouldn't make a game run worse.
Ah ok yeah I didnt understand that. Man sucks so bad, Bloodborne is one of my top games of all time and it already looks good on Pro even with no official support (boost mode seems to improve it a little). Imagines at 4K on PS4 or 1440p/60 fps on my PC...