Considering Britain sent Farage back with some new faces, I think voting went quite well in the UK. No Tommy Robinson, Carl of Swinton, Drankula and even Gerard fucking Baton got kicked out too, sorry about Farage though EU era.
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European Parliament 2019 Elections |OT| Electing the Unelected and Unelectable Since 1979
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I'm sure there are gonna be arseholes amongst the brexit meps we will know about soon though. But I share your relief.
Aye, it's pretty fucking sad they were ever in contention though, and without the Brexit party some would have made it.
It's almost certain some will be, a chunk of them are UKIP defectors afterall, but we could have sent worse a lot worse. Mogg's sister appears to be a very reserved, Conservative brexiteer. Excuse me whilst I throw up :p
They won't know what hit them when Anne fucking Widdecombe barges through the EP doors.
Them running probably helped water down the BXP vote share, Yaxley got 39,000 votes (iirc) which is frightening but not a bad result considering we had them running
I think it's because he was an independent. When you're too extreme even for UKIP 🤣
Still a travesty he got 30 odd thousand votes, but thankfully not enough for a seat.
I see, we really should make it law that you cannot run with serious offences like fraud on your record. Although maybe it's better we don't because the Tories would end up banning anyone with more than a speeding ticket.
Yeah, I think it's just left up to party policy whether a party will allow a criminal to stand, rather than it be a country-wide political red-line.
The UK govt have a lot to answer for allowing some one will like Yaxley to run and deny EU citizens the right to vote. It's fucking shameful.
From my understanding, it's the government that falls. The government is the prime minister (head of government), and all the other ministers (members of the Cabinet in US parlance). The president is the head of state, not government, and he nominates the prime minister (confirmed via parliament). (this is all of the top of my head and it's been a decade since my last French civics class, so correct me if I'm wrong).
IIRC, the president only chooses the prime minister, who then chooses the ministers. Of course, the president can still unofficially ask nicely for certain people to hold certain positions.
Edit: just checked, I was not quite right about the above. The prime minister proposes a list of potential ministers, and the president accepts or rejects each one individually.
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I hope so. It looks like it was a uk government error that stopped EU citizens voting.
Also, the French Greens are a particularly bad lot, being either idiots, scientifically illiterate, or downright toxic assholes (they had a sexual harassment scandal where the harasser had the support of the top of the party, and actually sued his victim for daring to complain). And let's not talk about the anti Vax.
I did vote for them this time because growing the green block in Europe was important and I know some of the Greens from other countries are efficient and reliable. However, I don't think I'd ever vote for them in a French only election. They can't be trusted to do anything right, they're a worse PS.
Yeah, there are brutal differences across the different Green parties. Most of them (all?) are antinuclear to an irrational degree, but Spanish and French ones are full of wifi fearing, antivax, tinfoil hatters. That's without getting into their genuinely scary views regarding international policy.
Polls 3 years ahead of an election don't make much sense, they tend to just skew towards the more mediatic figures
Macron didn't even exit in 2014 the two lead candidates were Le Pen at 30% and Juppé/Sarkozy at 30% (with Hollande at 20%, Melenchon and Bayrou at 10%), we all know how it turned out in the end.
The only certain thing is indeed that Le Pen has >20% locked and it's both sad and infuriating.
Is that enough to guarantee she will realistically get to the run off again? :(
Yeah you're right.
The gist of it is that the president nominates the prime minister which then nominates the rest of the government, all of these nominations being confirmed by the parliament.
There's a very very high chance of it happening, it's a nice scapegoat anyway and they're doing nothing to prevent it from happening again.
France effectively became a 1 turn election affair to decide who's in charge, it's whoever qualify alongside Le Pen now, it worked in 2017 and will work in 2022.
As it stands, and even if I dismissed the polls earlier, we do seem to go towards another Macron vs Le Pen for 2022 with probably an even slimmer margin, 2002 was 82/18, 2017 66/34 and it wouldn't surprise me if we end up with a 60/40.
Still hoping for some kind of surprise but I'm not holding my breath, without heavy backing no one can do what Macron did.
Basically everyone everywhere is against what AKK said and she plus her party members still support her. Even their coalition partner is against them.
Yeah, the Greens are going to have to mature a bit if they want to be seen as a realistic alternative to the center-left parties that have bled power since the Great Recession. Obviously the German Greens have done this extremely well, and there are a few other countries within Western Europe where they are serious about governing. But not all of them, so it'll be curious to see where they go from here now that there's been a groundswell for them. To use a North American example, there's a world of difference between an Elizabeth May and a Jill Stein.
Anyways, Irish update:
Dublin STV is done. Greens, FG, and Clare Daly of I4C won the first three seats (a bit of controversy if SF's votes should've been transferred, they were). FF won the 4th seat but he'll only be seated once Brexit happens. SF lost their seat here, seemingly as the Greens and I4C did very well.
Elsewhere, counting is still going. Only one MEP elected so far in Midlands-North-West, a member of FG. Looks like GEU/NGL indie will keep his seat, as will SF. The fourth and fifth seat is going to be a big tossup between FG, and Indie, and Greens. Looks like FF is locked out of this seat given the way the transfers are going.
In the South, only one MEP elected as well -- you guessed it, FG. This one will be pretty much a clusterfuck for the last few seats, since the next 4 candidates are all in a few thousand votes for each other. The Greens and I4C candidates have been the more transfer friendly, and the second FF candidate is sort of falling behind. They have 2 more Indies to get rid of and then a People Before Profit and a Labour candidate, so that might boost Greens and I4C more. SF should keep their seat here but at a much lower level than 2014. The last seat in the South will only take their seat once Brexit happens, and right now the Green candidate is getting dangerously close to passing SF. Would be another embarrassment for SF on an already terrible night for them.
Irish Update: Counting should finish today.
Dublin elected:
Cuffe (Green - G/EFA)
Fitzgerald (FG - EPP)
Daly (I4C - not sure yet, but I'm assuming GUE/NGL)
Andrews (FF - ALDE)*
The South had some drama where the last count saw the Green candidate jump dramatically from 5th to 3rd. Even though this seat will elect 5 MEPs, only 4 will be seated until Brexit. As of now, it's:
1st. Kelly (FG - EPP) (elected)
2nd. Wallace (I4C - but I'm assuming GUE/NGL)
3rd. O'Sullivan (Green - G/EFA)
4th. Kelleher (FF - ALDE)
5th. Ni Riada (SF - GUE/NGL)
Glune from FG is about to be eliminated so we'll see how her transfers go. Everyone is separated by a few thousand votes.
Less drama in Midlands-North-West. Independent Peter Casey is about to get eliminated, which and there is no hanging seat dependent on Brexit.
1st. McGuinness (FG - EPP) (elected)
2nd. Flanagan (Ind. - GUE/NGL)
3rd. Walsh (FG - EPP)
4th. Carthy (SF - GUE/NGL)
Dublin elected:
Cuffe (Green - G/EFA)
Fitzgerald (FG - EPP)
Daly (I4C - not sure yet, but I'm assuming GUE/NGL)
Andrews (FF - ALDE)*
The South had some drama where the last count saw the Green candidate jump dramatically from 5th to 3rd. Even though this seat will elect 5 MEPs, only 4 will be seated until Brexit. As of now, it's:
1st. Kelly (FG - EPP) (elected)
2nd. Wallace (I4C - but I'm assuming GUE/NGL)
3rd. O'Sullivan (Green - G/EFA)
4th. Kelleher (FF - ALDE)
5th. Ni Riada (SF - GUE/NGL)
Glune from FG is about to be eliminated so we'll see how her transfers go. Everyone is separated by a few thousand votes.
Less drama in Midlands-North-West. Independent Peter Casey is about to get eliminated, which and there is no hanging seat dependent on Brexit.
1st. McGuinness (FG - EPP) (elected)
2nd. Flanagan (Ind. - GUE/NGL)
3rd. Walsh (FG - EPP)
4th. Carthy (SF - GUE/NGL)
The actual result is
1st. Kelly (FG - EPP) (elected)
2nd. Kelleher (FF - ALDE)
3rd. Wallace (I4C - but I'm assuming GUE/NGL)
4th. Clune (FG - EPP)
5th. O'Sullivan (Green - G/EFA)
6th. Ni Riada (SF - GUE/NGL)
But there is a full recount now because Ni Riada was just 350 votes behind O'Sullivan when eliminated
Also here is the update on the pre / post Brexit parliament:
Better off without us 😥The actual result is
1st. Kelly (FG - EPP) (elected)
2nd. Kelleher (FF - ALDE)
3rd. Wallace (I4C - but I'm assuming GUE/NGL)
4th. Clune (FG - EPP)
5th. O'Sullivan (Green - G/EFA)
6th. Ni Riada (SF - GUE/NGL)
But there is a full recount now because Ni Riada was just 350 votes behind O'Sullivan when eliminated
Also here is the update on the pre / post Brexit parliament:
Wait no I read it backwards
Fuck. Am I supposed to want the UK to stay now? This is so conflicting.
Thanks for the update BTW.
Thanks for the update BTW.
Depends what you want.
Parliament without UK there is no way you can get a majority without the EPP
Parliament with UK, there is a chance for Left + ALDE
They miss 3 seats according to Politico, but would get 2 votes from "Die Partei" and VOLT will either join ALDE or the Greens.
Almost a week after the elections and the german goverment is imploding.
First poll is now coming out with greens being the biggest party on a national level for the first time ever at 27%.
CDU/CSU drops to 26% and SPD has the worst polling ever at 12%.
Meanwhile Merkel is in america and continues her IDGAF tour.
First poll is now coming out with greens being the biggest party on a national level for the first time ever at 27%.
CDU/CSU drops to 26% and SPD has the worst polling ever at 12%.
Meanwhile Merkel is in america and continues her IDGAF tour.
Kind of awesome. My whole family voted green. This never happened before.