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Who are you voting for?

  • European People's Party

    Votes: 21 2.9%
  • Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats

    Votes: 95 13.0%
  • European Conservatives and Reformers

    Votes: 20 2.7%
  • Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe

    Votes: 109 14.9%
  • European United Left - Nordic Green Left

    Votes: 72 9.8%
  • Greens - European Free Alliance

    Votes: 331 45.2%
  • Other

    Votes: 84 11.5%

  • Total voters
    732

Kaitos

Tens across the board!
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Oct 25, 2017
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But this simply doesn't reflect the grass roots labour supporters, it really doesn't.

It's indicative where labour mps, "activists" and those fully paid up members are, but that's really only half of the story.

This is why it's so difficult for labour leadership to take a position. They should be hammering the Tory mess, but instead they cannot choose a side.
I'm sorry, but how do you define the "grass roots"? I agree they're in a rock and a hard space for a lot of reasons, but Labour voters were fairly overwhelmingly remain, even if they're not quite as Remain as their MPs are.
 
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Bliman

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Jan 21, 2019
1,443
People are simply angry. Salvini saw the possibility of exploit this situation.

This is just EU fault by the way. They almost destroyed Italy with Monti.
That is the same here in Belgium. Many are not real Vlaams Belang supporters but are angry. And they are in fear of a couple of situations (migration and how to pay for it if the native people have been going backward, inequality rich poor, working longer and such, but migration and everything getting more expensive is one of the most important things). Europe must look real hard on immigration because voters are getting more and more extreme, either extreme left or extreme right.
 

16bits

Member
Apr 26, 2019
2,862
Country fulla shit as per usual.

Who's got the best coverage? BBC?

Not really, we have just had the leader of Plaid Cymru basically lying about the voting numbers and declaring Wales now a majority remain country!

(Brexit won in Wales by a country mile, getting votes from grassroots labour voters in the south)
 

Astandahl

Member
Oct 28, 2017
9,009
Going after Berlusconi for years almost destroyed Italy.
No. Austerity almost destroyed it. 13 quarters of recession with Monti. People said they did to reduce the debt/gdp but increased a lot. Internal demand killed, bank system almost collapsed with bail in disaster, unemployement rate over 12% ( youth over 20% ).

Berlusconi did way less damage than Monti and EU rules.
 

Puroresu_kid

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
9,465
So is Westminster going to continue to ignore the will of Scotland.

Scotland is a European country and in no way be dragged out of the EU against its will.
 

Shadout

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,804

What the hell :(

I'm just happy we had an amazing election in Denmark (in my opinion obviously...)
Anti-EU parties went from 5 to 2 seats. Our main nationalist "far-right" party got obliterated, going from 27% to 11% - Thank you Farage!

As an ignorant American. What do these results mean? Rise of the far right across Europe?
Actually, somewhat the opposite. Rise of far-right in some countries. But The Brexit Farce seems to have tempered the far-right a bit in other countries.
 

SuikerBrood

Member
Jan 21, 2018
15,487
As an ignorant American. What do these results mean? Rise of the far right across Europe?

For years, the Christian Democrats and Social Democrats have 'ruled' over Europe. These last couple of years we've been seeing more liberal prime ministers join the European Council (e.g. Rutte & Macron), where all heads of state make the decisions and now the European Parliament is more diverse than ever too. Where the Social democrats (S&D) and Christian democrats (EPP) had a majority together in previous years, now they need another party (probably Greens or Liberals) to get a majority.

Winners this election: Liberals, Greens and right wing populists. But, the eurocritics, populists and extreme-right are divided into different parties. Most notable one is the coalition of Salvini (Italy's vice-prime minister) and Marine Le Pen (Leader of the Front National in France).

So overall, a more diverse and interesting European Parliament. But there is so many more to talk about in this election, due to Brexit, Hungary and Romania for example. European politics can be fun. ;)
 

SuikerBrood

Member
Jan 21, 2018
15,487
That is the same here in Belgium. Many are not real Vlaams Belang supporters but are angry. And they are in fear of a couple of situations (migration and how to pay for it if the native people have been going backward, inequality rich poor, working longer and such, but migration and everything getting more expensive is one of the most important things). Europe must look real hard on immigration because voters are getting more and more extreme, either extreme left or extreme right.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for angry people who vote for racist xenophobic parties. There are other options.
 

DeltaRed

Member
Apr 27, 2018
5,746
16 million voted to remain and they weren't all from London and Scotland. The suggestion most Labour voters outside of those areas are Leave is ridiculous.
 

SuikerBrood

Member
Jan 21, 2018
15,487
Timmermans and his S&D are losing more seats by the hour. Bad news in Croatia, Czech and the UK.

Well, at least Italy wasn't as bad as expected.
 

Paquete_PT

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
5,317
Abstention here in Portugal was 70%, I'm hugely disappointed with my people. Yes, politics are mostly the same year after year, yes they focused on debating the national issues and couldn't look at the bigger picture and focus in Europe and its current challenges, yes the media are to blame, but f-you if you spend the year complaining but then don't take a few minutes to vote. We just left a dictatorship 45 years ago, a little more than 100 years ago women couldn't vote. It drives me mad.
 

16bits

Member
Apr 26, 2019
2,862
So is Westminster going to continue to ignore the will of Scotland.

Scotland is a European country and in no way be dragged out of the EU against its will.

It's part of the uk. If the uk leave the EU Scotland goes too.

If Scotland THEN decide to leave the UK, Scotland can then apply to join the EU and be in the Euro zone.

What Scotland cannot do is remain in the EU and only England leave.
 

Eolz

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
7,601
FR
What's this I'm hearing about Le Pen and Farage "winning" in France and UK respectively? What happened?
Farage leads the only clear Hard Brexit party, and since the UK is still divided, he was obviously getting a big score.
In France, it's more complicated. On top of the usual immigration/etc issues for multiple voters, Le Pen is used as a protest vote against Macron, and basically doing the National Election rematch from two years ago. She lost 2 seats compared to the previous European Election.
 

Puroresu_kid

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
9,465
It's part of the uk. If the uk leave the EU Scotland goes too.

If Scotland THEN decide to leave the UK, Scotland can then apply to join the EU and be in the Euro zone.

What Scotland cannot do is remain in the EU and only England leave.

So the only solution is give Scotland another referendum as soon as possible. Its ridiculous to think Scotland should not be having an independence referendum when so much has changed since the last one.

That deal Theresa May come up with had no reference to Scotland at all. No matter how many times Scotland has said they are reliant on freedom movement and singles market access.

Scotland cannot allow there economy to to be ruined due to the mistakes of England.
 

Boy Wander

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Banned
Oct 29, 2017
2,126
UK
I'm sorry, but how do you define the "grass roots"? I agree they're in a rock and a hard space for a lot of reasons, but Labour voters were fairly overwhelmingly remain, even if they're not quite as Remain as their MPs are.

Again, it's not true that Labour voters were overwhelmingly remain anywhere outside of London. "Grass roots" in Labour terms will generally mean former industrial and manufacturing heartlands where the majority of Labour voters would be working class families who have traditionally always voted Labour.
 

AztecComplex

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,371
For years, the Christian Democrats and Social Democrats have 'ruled' over Europe. These last couple of years we've been seeing more liberal prime ministers join the European Council (e.g. Rutte & Macron), where all heads of state make the decisions and now the European Parliament is more diverse than ever too. Where the Social democrats (S&D) and Christian democrats (EPP) had a majority together in previous years, now they need another party (probably Greens or Liberals) to get a majority.

Winners this election: Liberals, Greens and right wing populists. But, the eurocritics, populists and extreme-right are divided into different parties. Most notable one is the coalition of Salvini (Italy's vice-prime minister) and Marine Le Pen (Leader of the Front National in France).

So overall, a more diverse and interesting European Parliament. But there is so many more to talk about in this election, due to Brexit, Hungary and Romania for example. European politics can be fun. ;)
Ok so Le Pen's win isn't as catastrophic as I thought then? I hate seeing Info Wars idiots being happy about her win, ugh
 

RulkezX

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Oct 27, 2017
1,342
"Please don't celebrate how happy you are your councils aren't going far-right/No deal Brexit, it's cringe".

Some of the stuff I'm reading is great. Just checked FollowFollow and they're spinning it (somehow) as a massive win for Farage and proof that the desire for independence is dead
 
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