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Who are you voting for?

  • European People's Party

    Votes: 21 2.9%
  • Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats

    Votes: 95 13.0%
  • European Conservatives and Reformers

    Votes: 20 2.7%
  • Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe

    Votes: 109 14.9%
  • European United Left - Nordic Green Left

    Votes: 72 9.8%
  • Greens - European Free Alliance

    Votes: 331 45.2%
  • Other

    Votes: 84 11.5%

  • Total voters
    732

dragonbane

Member
Oct 26, 2017
4,585
Germany
Is the green party left wing in Germany? I'm guessing yes, but how left wing are they? Socdem?
They are mostly what the SPD should be, but failed to be for the longest time, so yeah. Many disappointed SPD voters went Green, including me finally. Plus the additional focus on the environment is very welcome in these times. They are also good on copyright bullshit, e.g. Article 13, so they don't embarrass the young voters either
 

Acorn

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,972
Scotland
They are mostly what the SPD should be, but failed to be for the longest time, so yeah. Many disappointed SPD voters went Green, including me finally. Plus the additional focus on the environment is very welcome in these times. They are also good on copyright bullshit, e.g. Article 13, so they don't embarrass the young voters either
Good to hear, thanks!
 

Kaitos

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Oct 25, 2017
14,707
just waiting on Scotland and NI. my guess is 1 BP seat in Scotland and then NI is like the DUP/SF/someone else. Scotland will probably be like 3 SNP/1BP/ then who knows? 1 LD? 2? idk.

 

Simon-chan

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Oct 27, 2017
2,044
Italy

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Deleted member 34788

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Not to mention McDonnell - the other guy on his shoulder - has admitted that they should've taken the Remain wing of the party more seriously than they did, so there will be more impetus for Corbyn to swallow his pride and push for a second ref, even if the result will be the same.


Yep, and he is closer to Corbyn then Milne is, known him decades longer and a very close friend.


The good thing for remainers now is the fucking big surge for Libdem, snp and even greens will now narrow the option labour have. The remainers and lab voter base has spoken. The leaver base should have performed better,, they didn't.

I predict the next ge will be shortly after the party conference, and the grassroots and lab membership will force the party to accept a confirmatory vote. However, moves will be made toward this direction in the coming weeks and months. A no deal PM and avoiding that disaster will see to that.
 

Acorn

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,972
Scotland
I'm in the odd position of hoping the EU stick to saying fuck off no more negotiations just to show these cunts up for what they are. Chancer bigots in a nice suit. I say it's odd because that means I'll be fucked with no deal.
 

Bliman

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Jan 21, 2019
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In Flanders, the PvdA also talks about immigration. It talks about issues many people face, with increasing prices for gasoline, groceries, health insurance, etc. It talks about the ever growing gap between the rich and poor.

Immigration is something people are angry about, but most of the times it's not the actual reason. It's a lack of progress, a lack of social justice and respect. Voting for xenophobes will not help you when you are in need. Voting for people who want to help the people in need actually helps.
Do you know what is funny. There were many voting tests you could do here. And I have done one. And I came out with PvdA and do you know what was second Vlaams Belang. Those are total opposites of parties and it was one and two.
But one thing is very very clear to me, if you want to stop the right then you have to start talking seriously about immigration. In almost all the countries where right wins or is big immigration is one of the biggest topics, even Brexit was started by this. If you solve the immigration problem then the fire out of the right parties would go out. But the traditional parties and the media don't want to acknowledge this. But it lives under the people. Ones you solve this, right will go back in the margin.
 

16bits

Member
Apr 26, 2019
2,862
Once in a lifetime it is not when subsequent events change the game.

Lets not forget the unionist campaign in Scotland was arguing that if Scotland wanted to remain in the EU then remaining in the UK was the best option.

Indeed, if they want another vote, and parliament lets them, they will have to leave the EU first and reapply.

It's by no means a forgone conclusion that they would be accepted back. The process would take years.

They would ironically have to give up more power to the EU and of course join the euro zone,.

This is a really important part, it cannot be just Scotland remaining and England leave.
 

Deleted member 7051

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Oct 25, 2017
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Change UK haven't won a single MEP, so they won't have any say at all.

Riiiiiiiight. So it's Labour then who will have the most say in Europe? They're part of S&D, who got like 20% of the vote across Europe, and they still have some MEPs left.

Trying to find a silver lining here because if we don't leave in October, and I really hope we don't, the last thing we need is basically no say in how Europe is run.
 

Acorn

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,972
Scotland
Indeed, if they want another vote, and parliament lets them, they will have to leave the EU first and reapply.

It's by no means a forgone conclusion that they would be accepted back. The process would take years.

They would ironically have to give up more power to the EU and of course join the euro zone,.

This is a really important part, it cannot be just Scotland remaining and England leave.
We know.
 

Aleh

Member
Oct 27, 2017
16,298
Italy is a shitshow... but I'd rather those people vote for Berlusconi than Salvini or Meloni at least.
 

Puroresu_kid

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
9,465
Indeed, if they want another vote, and parliament lets them, they will have to leave the EU first and reapply.

It's by no means a forgone conclusion that they would be accepted back. The process would take years.

They would ironically have to give up more power to the EU and of course join the euro zone,.

This is a really important part, it cannot be just Scotland remaining and England leave.

I don't see how parliament has any argumentto not allow it. Brexit is too big of an issue to ignore Scotland if they feel a referendum is needed.
 

tuxfool

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,858
You come across as arrogant when you make statements like that. Just because you don't like the result doesnt make everyone else an idiot.
Eh.

I think I'm in a fairly strong position to call them idiots. That is, assuming they aren't racists, xenophobes or disaster capitalists. The latter of which are absolutely make their votes perfectly coherent with their worldview.

The former would piss all over themselves and then claim that they were rich because it was raining gold.
 
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SuikerBrood

Member
Jan 21, 2018
15,490
Do you know what is funny. There were many voting tests you could do here. And I have done one. And I came out with PvdA and do you know what was second Vlaams Belang. Those are total opposites of parties and it was one and two.
But one thing is very very clear to me, if you want to stop the right then you have to start talking seriously about immigration. In almost all the countries where right wins or is big immigration is one of the biggest topics, even Brexit was started by this. If you solve the immigration problem then the fire out of the right parties would go out. But the traditional parties and the media don't want to acknowledge this. But it lives under the people. Ones you solve this, right will go back in the margin.

But still, is immigration the real problem? Or is it the government not being able to provide decent care for it's citizens?

Europe should protect their borders, it's a shame that many people in Dutch and Belgian immigration centers are from 'safe countries' such as Albania, Morocco and sub-Saharan countries. It puts the whole immigration system to a halt.

But most of all, it's up to the government to provide good care for their citizens.
- Having enough houses on the lower segment of the market (Currently, people get angry because immigrants get free housing or receive a home before local people do.) solves a lot of problems.
- Improving the efficiency of the integration and immigration services

If you want to go further, solving the 'immigration problem' becomes really difficult. The problem is subjective. For some people, nobody should enter their country. Some people think only refugees should temporarily come into the country. And some people want to stimulate economic immigration because of a population becoming older and older.

So yes, immigration is a big topic, but I don't believe voting for the extreme right solves any issues. I do believe it has made political parties in Europe more aware of the negative effects of immigration. Both from the EU and outside the EU.
 

Kaitos

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Oct 25, 2017
14,707
So at 80% it's:

UKIP: 3.3%
Labour: 14.1%
Tories: 9.1%
Green: 12.1%
LibDem: 20.3%
SNP: 3.5%
PC: 1.0%
Brexit: 31.6%
ChUK: 3.4%

Hard Brexit Parties (UKIP+Tories+Brexit): 44.0%
Labour lol: 14.1%
Hard Remain Parties (Green/LD/SNP/PC/ChUKlol): 40.3%

Hard to really make out anything from that because it solely comes down to who still voted Labour.
 

SuikerBrood

Member
Jan 21, 2018
15,490
I must say I'm a bit disappointed in the Uk results. Strong remain parties only getting 40%..

This will not solve any problem and will not give any answers. What a shit show.
 

Eolz

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Oct 25, 2017
7,601
FR
I must say I'm a bit disappointed in the Uk results. Strong remain parties only getting 40%..

This will not solve any problem and will not give any answers. What a shit show.
Whatever happens, half of the population will be angry with the Brexit's results. Not even counting what happens with the details when it finally comes to it.
It didn't change in 3 years.
 

Boy Wander

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Oct 29, 2017
2,126
UK
So at 80% it's:

UKIP: 3.3%
Labour: 14.1%
Tories: 9.1%
Green: 12.1%
LibDem: 20.3%
SNP: 3.5%
PC: 1.0%
Brexit: 31.6%
ChUK: 3.4%

Hard Brexit Parties (UKIP+Tories+Brexit): 44.0%
Labour lol: 14.1%
Hard Remain Parties (Green/LD/SNP/PC/ChUKlol): 40.3%

Hard to really make out anything from that because it solely comes down to who still voted Labour.

This issue really has divided us down the middle. Despite all the talk of a shift towards remain, it's still pretty evenly split. Even another referendum might not solve a lot.
 

Kaitos

Tens across the board!
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Oct 25, 2017
14,707
The UK results probably are a bit tilt Remain tbh because the majority of Labour voters are probably Remainers and not every Tory is a Brexiteer, especially the ones who bothered to vote today when there was a Brexit Party on the ballot. But I don't know.
 

Boy Wander

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Oct 29, 2017
2,126
UK
He really shouldn't say that considering how poor those results were for his party.

Weak ass statement from a weak ass leader. The worst PM in living memory has made a total shitshow of the main issue of the day and Corbyn has taken literally zero fucking advantage of it. If you still think he's fit to govern, you need your head examining.
 

Acorn

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,972
Scotland
This issue really has divided us down the middle. Despite all the talk of a shift towards remain, it's still pretty evenly split. Even another referendum might not solve a lot.
I'm a cynical dour Scottish cunt by nature so always believed a second ref would just end up with the same result. Only way away from this downward spiral into a tory dreamland is independence.

Don't believe that would be won either, because I'm still a cynical dour scot. I've watched enough games at Hampden that backing a lost cause is a habit.
 

Kaitos

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Oct 25, 2017
14,707
Yeah, the SPD really collapsed, but they aren't completely vanished yet.
problem for them is the youth flocking for The Greens.

They've been able to stay out of the fray as a legitimate opposition to CDU/CSU by not being in the grand coalition. They are soaking up the youth vote who sees climate change as a #1 issue. And they're even getting a few center-right votes because they're not SDP.