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EVO Japan 2019 main line-up revealed
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This is a great precedent set by EVO. Hopefully they see how well they do with no smash and it carries over to main EVO from now on. A smashless EVO is something everyone can get behind.
No DBZ is a bummer, although the matches can get a bit repetitive.
No DBZ is a bummer, although the matches can get a bit repetitive.
If we can have competitive puyo puyo tetris and competitive Catherine at Evo (Vegas Evo, not Evo Japan) then we can have competitive smash. There's plenty of room as a side tourney. My problem is that it has to fucking be both melee AND the last game up on the main stage. Fuck that noise. Waste of a good slot. Smash people need to get their shit together and pick their 1. coughultimatecough
But the "Smash people" is not the one choosing to have both games tho?
I need to let people know I play REAL fighting games though
how else will I feel better about myself?
Do people in this thread just not see the "Japan" part of the OP, or are they so blind in their Smash hatred that they're tripping over themselves to post their hot takes?
Yeah at the end of the day Mr. Wizard is the one making the decisions and since Melee brings viewers and participants it has been one of the games of choice. Hell if games like Third Strike had people playing it more than many recent fighting games it would still be there.
EVO has been more about the tournaments as long as the game has those elements, otherwise you would see *insert random niche fighter that got forgotten here* being kept for more years.
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I'm pretty sure everyone in this thread knows this is EVO japan, not sure what posts make you think otherwise?
DBFZ isn't there, so if allowed permission it could've snuck in
As others have stated, I'm sure this has something to do with rights management. Japanese IP law is extremely strict. Music rights probably contribute directly to Smash's absence, and DBFZ is a casualty of the Bamco Rights Circus
There's also the fact that Gambling in Japan is illegal, so there might be "brand image" issues with having a tournament with a prize pool that makes publishers wary. In the case of DBFZ and Smash, it is probably a huge factor in how the rights owners want their games portrayed in the home market.
There's also the fact that Gambling in Japan is illegal, so there might be "brand image" issues with having a tournament with a prize pool that makes publishers wary. In the case of DBFZ and Smash, it is probably a huge factor in how the rights owners want their games portrayed in the home market.
MVCI missed Evo USA but made it to Evo Japan only in the Berenstein Bears universe.
You should probably read some more replies cause some are mentioning Melee, which they wouldn't be if they knew it was Japan Evo.
The FGC isn't that big or complicated. I would think that someone who is that significant in the scene, enough to be the subject of a documentary, would be an acceptable barometer.
On top of that, Team Spooky literally streams Smash the night before NLBC. You can only schedule so many titles on one weeknight. Pretty sure WNF ran Smash this week.
Yeah, I wonder if his opinion has changed now that he's on the grind to beat ZeRo in 3 months.
Also I prefer taking Sakurai's (the actual creator of the franchise) view:
https://www.sourcegaming.info/2018/06/20/smash-is-special-part-1-sakurais-famitsu-column-vol-557/
It's not like he himself brings any elaboration on that notion tho
I didn't ask for "X doesn't think it's a fighting game" but for actual proof or non-idiotic argument for Smash not being a fighting game
Since when do publishers have to grant approval for a tournament?
There's your proof.
"Fighting games" are 1v1 with healthbars.
There's your proof.
I hope it's sarcasm because this is comically obtuse
So would stamina matches in 1v1 count or the fact that health is represented with a number at the bottom instead of a colored strip on top of the screen disqualifies that too?
So, Magic: The Gathering is a fighting game. Good to know.
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Are stamina matches how Smash is played at tournaments?
Look, I totally respect Smash for the technical requirements needed to be good at it (I'm having a miserable time with it right now because it's so weird and difficult), but "fighting game" means a specific thing. And yeah, generally it means a game that somewhat resembles Street Fighter. There's typically not a lot of overlap between people who are really good at fighting games and people are who are really good at Smash. It's one or the other, they're totally different animals. Which is fine. But people who are into fighting games (and have been for many years) have no interest in seeing Smash at Evo.
Especially since there are always two of the shits clogging up the game line-up. Smash already has its own competitive scene, it doesn't need to be at Evo.
Its been almost 2 decades since Smash 64 released. What makes a game a "fighting" game is no longer "its gotta be like street fighter". You don't need health bars because at the end of the day its the same damn thing. 2 fighters looking to KO each other. No overlap? Get real. Evo's viewer counts beg to differ on who wants to see Smash at Evo. CONSTANTLY has far more viewership than most other fighting games and I expect Smash Ultimate to be even larger now that we have a Smash on a successful console.
Oh, you actually weren't being sarcastic.
Show the receipts for "Fighting games are 1v1 with healthbars" first. I'm not sure where to look for this for sure written rule of fighting games. Is there some kind of bible of fighting games?
Why are you speaking for everybody? There's no exclusivity thing going on here. I love Smash just as I love seeing Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat/Injustice at EVO. Just like there are people who likes Street Fighter and also likes seeing Smash at EVO. Both can coexist.
It's not the Smash community to decide, if you're going to be mad about this, be mad at the TO of EVO, Mr.Wizard himself. If he thinks both games bring enough revenue to warrant two main spots, so it shall be. This has nothing on us.
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Who, Arturo? Is that a counterpoint? So another prominent member of the FGC designates a separate event for Smash. It's not like Spooky would disagree and want Smash there.
SonicFox's comments follow the same thinking. Smash is not a fighting game, and it makes sense that he would perceive it as the hardest game to master- he is one of the best at fighting games, and Smash is so different that his skillset doesn't really apply that much.
Art doesn't run it either. Using what games they stream *at a local* as some sort of barometer for the FGC as a whole is a poor argument.
Real clever. Your only contribution to this thread has been shitting on Smash and the community non-stop. This should be bannable offense.
This isn't the thread to have the same old discussion about Smash being a fighting game or not. Please stay on topic.
Never said the Smash community was smaller than the FGC. Clearly tons of people are into Smash. All the more reason to stick to their own circuit instead of forcing into the already niche FGC tournaments.
I can definitely blame the Melee community for refusing to move on. TO's wouldn't be in this position if the community wasn't so goddamn stubborn.
NLBC is streamed worldwide and brings in a lot of viewers to both Spooky's and Arturo's streams. It's one of the most popular weekly FGC streams.