I dunno, for some reason I doubt youre out there in other threads calling out entire scenes when Twitch chat does its usual Twitch chat thing
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Evo Japan stream temporarily cut after overly inappropriate Dead or Alive segment; Evo head apologizes (Read Staff Post)
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I dunno, for some reason I doubt youre out there in other threads calling out entire scenes when Twitch chat does its usual Twitch chat thing
I know right? Check out this white boy club, how dare they try to claim diversity!
Count how many women are in the picture though. That's what I was getting at.
Because I am part of the FGC and I want them to do better? I don't really play other games I mostly play fighting games. Twitch being a cesspool doesn't excuse the behaviour.
If they play fighting games semi regularly then they are definitely part of the FGC.
There's a pretty big audience of people who take wildly inappropriate pictures/videos of models in bikinis at public events. If you think things like booth babes were bad at their peak in the west you should check out what happens at Japanese auto-shows.
Alright. It's a video game community. There are relatively few women. No big surprises there.
Can you name another community with numerous high profile female players, including several trans women? The only other example that comes to mind is Scarlett from Starcraft 2.
I can understand the outrage at this for Americans.
And while I'm not defending the practice at all... people have to understand that we are not a homogenized society. Each country has very different views on a multitude of subjects. In the same way this is totally abhorrent in many American's eyes, it's nothing particularly distasteful in the context of the Japanese market.
For instance, in American culture, Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian had their careers jumpstarted by their sex tapes.
A few years ago, a prominent Hong Kong movie star had some personal sex tapes and photos leaked. I remember the sentiment of Americans who caught whiff of the new story making comments like "OH! Phfbt, it's just young people trying to advance their careers by probably self leaking this!"
Nah.
In Chinese culture, sex is overly taboo. Practically every celebrity involved in the leaks lost their careers. Edison Chen was at the top of his game and was immediately gone from the spotlight.
The point here is, before getting into an uproar about stuff like this... stop and think and try to understand why this happened in the first place. Sure, kudos to the stream for cutting out but at the same time, nobody in that audience in Japan was batting an eye since this is something that's still ingrained in their culture.
I mean, this was where E3 was for a looooong time. It wasn't until fairly recently booth babes were totally dropped.
Anyway, my two cents.
And while I'm not defending the practice at all... people have to understand that we are not a homogenized society. Each country has very different views on a multitude of subjects. In the same way this is totally abhorrent in many American's eyes, it's nothing particularly distasteful in the context of the Japanese market.
For instance, in American culture, Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian had their careers jumpstarted by their sex tapes.
A few years ago, a prominent Hong Kong movie star had some personal sex tapes and photos leaked. I remember the sentiment of Americans who caught whiff of the new story making comments like "OH! Phfbt, it's just young people trying to advance their careers by probably self leaking this!"
Nah.
In Chinese culture, sex is overly taboo. Practically every celebrity involved in the leaks lost their careers. Edison Chen was at the top of his game and was immediately gone from the spotlight.
The point here is, before getting into an uproar about stuff like this... stop and think and try to understand why this happened in the first place. Sure, kudos to the stream for cutting out but at the same time, nobody in that audience in Japan was batting an eye since this is something that's still ingrained in their culture.
I mean, this was where E3 was for a looooong time. It wasn't until fairly recently booth babes were totally dropped.
Anyway, my two cents.
Team Ninja just shot themselves in the foot.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about American culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in Japan where you can become successful by releasing a porn game. If you have sex in the United States, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is the american public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase DOA for either system, nor will they watch any EVO tournaments. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Team Ninja has alienated an entire market with this move.
Team Ninja, publicly apologize and cancel DOA or you can kiss your business goodbye.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about American culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in Japan where you can become successful by releasing a porn game. If you have sex in the United States, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is the american public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase DOA for either system, nor will they watch any EVO tournaments. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Team Ninja has alienated an entire market with this move.
Team Ninja, publicly apologize and cancel DOA or you can kiss your business goodbye.
meanwhile...
(mortal kombat community manager)
who knew mortal kombat would be fighting game to move away from over sexualization
Can you blame them after how horribly stripperific MK9 was?
I don't think it's true that relatively few women are in game communities so it's only fair that communities feel safe for them too. Actually, just from past experience and sales data that's false, but it's not like I have any data on me so =/
Fair enough. If you have the PC version I think there is a mod/cheat engine table that allows you to manipulate the camera freely during matches.
The fact they didn't show any gameplay and went on this route on stage is not a good way to advertise your product when people in the community already considers DOA a joke. Which is far from the truth. Mr.Wizard will learn from this experience for something like that not happening again. And saying is "a Japanese thing" is bullshit. It has nothing to do with sexy outfits. You had one model jump up and down to show her boobs jiggle and the other grabbing her ass cheeks. If it was a different event where that type of content is known for, sure no issues. But at an eSport event, no.
Unless they are lesbians .... nope.
Some anime troopes are made by guys for guys.
meanwhile...
(mortal kombat community manager)
who knew mortal kombat would be fighting game to move away from over sexualization
Maybe they started to noticed how the most sold games don't do it ... and even by MKX/Injustice 2 standards it can still basically make a graph with a straight line of sales on one axis and less objectification in the other with DBFz, Tekken, MKX, Injustice2 and Smash
Whether or not they're part of the FGC seems to be an eternally flipping coin, the results of which depend on whether or not they're misbehaving or reflect poorly on the FGC.
But the atmosphere of FGC twitch chat is 100% an extension of the live crowd at events large and small.
Well at least I'll know what kind of person someone is if they use the "Core Values" meme. Only good thing to come out of this.
You do realize that the anime cliche of girls massage each other's breasts out of jealously is not actually true right?
They had plenty of gameplay. There was a pro player exhibition before that. This presentation was mainly to show the pc version and some other stuff (photo mode, more deluxe outfits)
i haven't been to an fgc event in years, but i'm assuming the answer still is
nah
I don't get the problem with the "core values" thing? Is it because it's hypocritical of him specifically saying that?
...ok, maybe this will come as a surprise to you but porn is not an accurate representation of how women greet each other.
I'm not so sure a SICK BURN! by some anime avatar twitter idiot is something you want to be throwing out there.
They wouldn't be tuning in to a fighting game tournament unless they were fans of the genre - the genre isn't a mainstream hit like it was back in the 90's. The chat monsters, for better and for worse, are FGC.
I won't deny girls do that but let's be honest, these two girls are models working and getting paid to do that, not random girls that happened to be there and started to fondle themselves.
I suppose as a man, you feel comfortable if someone just grabs your junk as well?
You're probably real proud of this "satire." This shit is almost as embarrassing as the clips themselves.
Just in case... it's copypasta fam.
what
I mean, neither I or you know what they like to do outside of their jobs, maybe they do, maybe don't, it's useless to speculate that because we will never know, and the only thing we know for a fact is that these are 2 girls working for a promotion.
Team Ninja know exactly what market they are playing too and it's not the people on this thread who are rightfully disgusted by that video. They wouldn't be making a 6th version of this game if the franchise didn't keep making money. As sad as that realisation makes me.
...Is your point that wanton objectification of women is fine...because lesbians exist?
Woof...that ain't it chief.
You're not wrong, but I really hope they're okay with their subset of whales, because it's gonna be TOUGH marketing this game with these kind of antics to a casual market.
"The game you'll be embarrassed to play in front of your female friends, IT'S DOA6! NOW WITH MORE ASSES" Is a bad look.
I haven't been to one in probably 5 years. Maybe now they really are just a bunch of idiots spouting memes and acting like children, being racist as fuck, and freaking out every time there's a woman in sight.
It wasn't streamed only in Japan though and the game is launching worldwide. Can't be excused with cultural differences. Check the comments in the twitch stream, it's really embarassing to witness. The erotic posing is one thing but that camera pause thing was a frat party hurr-hurr moment that went on for far too long with far too many people on the stream cheering on.
Your copypasta dismisses concerns about female objectification as American prudishness. You ain't slick. You ain't funny.
You're putting way more thought on this than I did. Lighten up, I agree with you.