Peter Parker is part of the deal, not just the Spider-Man suit.
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EW: Kevin Feige and Tom Holland talk Spider-Man
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Peter Parker is part of the deal, not just the Spider-Man suit.
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No I mean just have him show up and be called "kiddo" or something, just straight up not say his name and not use his regular Spidey outfit. But everyone still knows who he is.
It would be a very hazy legal gray area and almost definitely get them sued.
They could give Tom a new part in the MCU if they wanted to be supremely petty, but using the same character and just not referencing who he is would be transparent and obvious and destroy any chance of a reconciliation with Sony in the future.
No clue.
Popular belief is that she's owned by Sony ... but then again EVERYONE has gone out of their way to make it known that she is not "Mary Jane" but a completely different character that goes by MJ in this MCU movie.
We don't know what her contract looks like or what the full nature of Marvel's deal was so there's not telling.
Some would argue that it would be stupid for her character to not belong to Sony ... I'd argue it's stupid for Sony to have pushed for such heavy integration with the MCU that all the key elements in this SM's universe are people/ events/ things that they legally can't have or speak of now.
Regardless Zendaya can still catch a role in the MCU so that's good and with how things are I'd think Sony would just suck Tom's SM into Venom-verse to act as a soft reboot so he can get away from all the stuff he can't talk about which would mean no friends or w/e anyway.
I would love to see the MCU writers try to tap-dance around using "Spider-Man" and its characters for two hours.
"Why hello, my arachnid friend!"
"You're my favorite web-slinger!"
"Go get 'em, large feline!"
"Doctor Squid has really got the web-crawler on the ropes!"
I think Tom Holland loves being Spidey period. I think he really enjoyed being part of the MCU but to think he would bail on the character now... I just didn't see it happening. Still a huge deal to be Spider-Man.
Huh...do they have the rights to Ben Reilly/Scarlet Spider?
I can't actually remember the movie rights. I know Sony doesn't actually have the *Entire* Spider-Man mythos. Apparently a lot of Spider-Verse only got made due to the deal with Marvel at the time allowing them access to a wider variety of characters.
Spiderman warps somehow to the Tobey maguire spiderman universe, during the Doc Op timeline.
Thats Spiderman 2-2 for you.
I think they do have access to the full Spider-Man mythos. They can probably even use King Pin? (Kingpin- "He actually was a Spider-Man Villain first, and later became a daredevil villain.")
Also (May 2017 article)
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Also (May 2017 article)
"While rumors that Sony might eventually snatch Spider-Man back are still floating around, the company is still trying to put together a shared cinematic universe out of ancillary Spider-Man characters, such as Venom, Black Cat, and Silver Sable. While it's not known whether these movies will reference the Friendly Neighborhood Wall Crawler in any significant way, it's worth assuming that, at least while Sony's deal with Marvel is still in place, Peter Parker won't be showing his face in any of these films.
So what's Sony to do? They're trying to build a cinematic universe around the Spider-Man franchise, without having access to Spider-Man himself. While this might sound like a hopeless scenario, there are a lot of excellent stories connected to the Spider-Man mythos that are ripe for the picking, and characters which, with a little tweaking, would easily be able to carry their own movie within this shared universe."
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"Sony Pictures owns rights to the Spider-Man and his Spider-Verse although most of their characters are now crossing into the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Sony foolishly passed up on deal where they could of owned most of the Marvel universe, but the company decided to just go after Spider-Man. She-Hulk is solely owned by Universal Pictures. Here is the updated visual guide after the Disney-Fox deal is completed. "
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Regarding kingping. From leaked docs
. Non-Exclusive To SPE. SPE and Marvel share the following:
"Kingpin" and related characters listed on the attached Schedule 7B, but SPE may not use any of these until after Fox's production rights to Daredevil expire. Marvel's use of Kingpin is restricted to use in connection with Daredevil and other characters with which he appeared prior to 9/15/11.
. Non-Exclusive To SPE. SPE and Marvel share the following:
"Kingpin" and related characters listed on the attached Schedule 7B, but SPE may not use any of these until after Fox's production rights to Daredevil expire. Marvel's use of Kingpin is restricted to use in connection with Daredevil and other characters with which he appeared prior to 9/15/11.
I get that this is PR talk, but you ended the latest movie on a cliffhanger, my dude.
I have mixed feelings here. I loved Holland's Peter and thought he was wonderful in the ensemble movies with all the characters but I hated his solo movies. If this means this nukes the new "MJ" for exemple or we don't have to suffer Happy's presence in the movies then it's fine.
They should call it What If ... we still had the rights to Spider-Man?
Having none of the MCU stuff in the third Spider-man movie makes zero sense. The MCU is such a big part of both Homecoming and Far From home
Kinda hard to believe this when the end and post credits of FFH set so much up and they were building to Sinister Six. I'd find it easier to swallow this exit if it did feel like the story had a natural ending point, but it didn't.
Idk as far as I'm concerned Tony Stark was the only important mcu character in both Spider-man. And he's dead. Happy and Nick Fury were just side characters. Tony's death, the snap, and its after effect is already solved in FFH. I mean ofc having none of the MCU stuff will feel a bit jarring, but it is what it is.
I agree.
Holland's Spidey can return to standalone adventures easily, he has big rogue gallery, likable set of friends around him, he can interact with other Spiderverse film heroes/villians. There's' really no rush to come back to MCU, which can eventually happen if they iron out the new deal.
Unlike Ed Norton it's possible for Holland to pick this up where he left off. :)
I agree, kinda. At least the set-up is there that the third movie won't be hurt being outside of MCU.
In a sense, making Peter and Spider-Man, and every single character, so connected to the MCU world at large was a brillant business move.
It really puts the pressure on Sony; they have now a hollow franchise without vital themes and settings. I wouldn't want to be part of the team for this third movie.
It's gonna be seen as an illegitimate child in a family reunion at the beach :'v
It really puts the pressure on Sony; they have now a hollow franchise without vital themes and settings. I wouldn't want to be part of the team for this third movie.
It's gonna be seen as an illegitimate child in a family reunion at the beach :'v
It was actually Sony's idea to heavily integrate MCU elements (Tony Stark) into the Spidey films.
So it's actually a self-inflicted wound by Sony.
Sony owns the movie rights for any character introduced in Spider-man comic books (and mostly associated with him, to exclude some characters that might have debuted there, but branched out later, like the Punisher) based on their old contracts, so it'd be odd if they don't own characters introduced in Spider-man movies that are basically owned by them. Although it is possible that there was some kind of catch in the specific contract for these collaborations making originals non-Spider characters, but there's no reason to assume that yet.
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The next Spidey movie will be weird to watch.
Like JL cgi stache Cavill. But it's gonna be the whole movie like that.
Shame they couldn't agree. I don't really put blame on anyone, it's an interest game, but we all lose in the end.
Like JL cgi stache Cavill. But it's gonna be the whole movie like that.
Shame they couldn't agree. I don't really put blame on anyone, it's an interest game, but we all lose in the end.
That's how I feel too. One of the biggest points of difference with the Holland movies is that they give an on-the-ground view of the MCU that you don't really get in the other movies, and it would suck to lose that. But, it's also not like it's impossible to continue the story from FFH without MCU references. Homecoming/FFH's main tether to the MCU was Peter's relationship with Tony, and FFH felt like an epilogue to that dynamic.
I'm certain all of the characters, excluding the guest stars like Stark and Fury, are Spider-man centric. The only one who might have a loophole is Michelle Jones and that's not certain since she's linked to MJ.
Aww maan.
They wanted the worldbuilding and good will without the hard work :p
Welp, they played themselves...
It's about the general world building , scene setting, and character development that happens related o the MCU in those 5 movies prior to the bust, which was a LOT
It's definitely not as simple as which MCU characters can and cannot now appear in the film! Wow.
Look, you want to make a statement: don't go and see Sony's next Spidey movie. Don't watch it 'ironically', just stop giving them your damn money. If it's a flop, or even mediocre financially, it'll push them back towards making up with the MCU. Maybe.
I'll never forgive you weirdos for paying to see Venom.
I'll never forgive you weirdos for paying to see Venom.
I think if Morbius flop, that could be a wake up call for Sony. How's the creative team behind Morbius? Any chance the movie is actually good?
Looking at the director and screenwriter credits, lol no.
The screenwriters were responsible for Dracula Untold, Gods of Egypt and the new Power Rangers film.
They're making MCU She-Hulk as a Disney+ show. Pretty sure Jennifer is just like Bruce and Namor.
How would you feel about scattering the DC properties from Warner Bros to other studios?
Can't believe I'm defending a billion dollar company here, but from a business perspective Disney was investing way more in Spider-Man then they should while Sony got a boatload of money for nearly no work.
Both should just meet halfway.
Regardless of how easy it could be to write a follow up to FFH that's not in the MCU (it isn't), I just don't get why anyone would want that. Either continue the MCU story or reboot again.
I know Holland's Spidey exists in the world. If they try and do some elseworlds, non-canonical shit with the same actors, what the hell would I even be doing watching it?
That is definitely not what he said lmao
I know Holland's Spidey exists in the world. If they try and do some elseworlds, non-canonical shit with the same actors, what the hell would I even be doing watching it?
That is definitely not what he said lmao