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Excited George R. R. Martin promises we will get an ending to A Song of Ice and Fire
- Thread starter Gigglepoo
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What books? There are no books for what is being covered in the show at this stage.
Judging from the leaks that I know, it definitely won't be a mediocre end but it'll be so damn controversial that many will hate the show or love the show for flipping things on its head at the very end.
That includes who gets killed and the person that ends up king/queen at the end.
It's gonna be a weird ending not a predictable one.
At least they break the mould of everything being so predictable. I hope It isn't just shocks for shockfactor sake but I have little faith in D&D.
In terms of spectacle, I have no doubt it will be.
But I really hope the writing improves. But given how the last few seasons went and the lower episode count, I doubt it will.
Stuff will be coming out of left field but will not be as shocking if you had read the books.
There is set up for things that D & D removed.
While the show has definitely turned out quite cartoonish, it's still entertaining as hell and a visual spectacle like nothing else on TV. Meanwhile, the latter two books very quite disappointing, IMO, so I'm now more invested in how the show ends than the books.
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I mostly agree with your thesis and know Game of Thrones wouldn't be nearly as popular if it spent hours ruminating about the horrors of war, the qualities the make a good leader, and regret for a life filled with bad choices.
But if you're going to focus on action, at least make the action makes sense. D&D undercut the incredible Loot Train episode with a fake-out death that defies any previous show logic. Or the laughable wight hunt that was doomed from the start.
When they skimp on the connective tissue, the action sequences their building toward are seriously neutered.
Yeah Season 7 was.... not great. Haha. Hopefully Miguel Sapochnik brings it home in the final season!
What's he gonna be able to do when the scripts turn out to be of similar quality?
The same thing he did in the previous seasons he worked on. Don't underestimate how much of bad plotting on paper can be covered up with good direction on screen. The biggest reason why the wright hunt in Season 7 got so much shit isn't actually because it was a dumb idea and Jon was written as an idiot. It was because for a big setpiece episode with tons of hype, the director failed to sell it as a truly dangerous, suspenseful, and exciting excursion. If it had been handled like Hardhome, even with the same dialogue and sequence of events, it would have gone over much better. The evidence is that even when people critique the fake out death nonsense in the loot train episode, the actual episode is remembered as one of the highlights of the season and a kickass battle. And that's because it was well directed.
...but that was the reason? The quality of the direction is the least of S7's problems. Sapochnik isn't going to salvage whatever mess D&D end up writing.
Not in the long run but he can make it very fun in the moment.
Battle of Bastards is the prime example of what Duck is talking about.
Battle of the Bastards was a big salvage by Sapochnik, but that it needed such herculean salvaging speaks equally to D&D's ineptitude even at the managerial level.
Apparently George agreed to them becuaee they knew Jon's parents
If only i was much older " was like 10 when this show started production"and had experience in tv i could have done the same
I don't think it was the least of the problems at all. Look at S6 for example. There was that laughable episode with Arya and the footrace fight. Lots of people hated it - because of the poor direction failing to distract the audience from how ill conceived the entire underlying plot mechanics of it was. But what happened after that? We got the one-two punch of Battle of the Bastards and Winds of Winter. Possibly the peak of GoT in terms of direction ever. Season 6 is remembered as a highlight of the series for those still following it because of that. With Season 7 it peaked at Loot Train and never recovered from the downward spiral after that. The poor direction in the climatic episodes meant fans were left with a disappointing feeling rather than an uplifting hyped feeling. That's the difference. I think most people tend to be more emotional than logical when it comes to stuff like entertainment. Yes good writing is important, especially if you want to be able to break it down and analyze it and appreciate the construction of it later. But for general entertainment, good direction is the most important thing for making people feel the things they need to feel without thinking too much about the smaller details.
D&D really shouldn't direct, period.
I shudder at what their Star Wars films are gonna be like...