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Exclusives suck (unless developed with a specific hardware limitation/use case in mind)
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Beat me to it.
I'll take a Mechwarrior HD collection on PS5, too. So much money being left on the table with those pesky PC exclusives.
Yo, CDPR! Toss a coin to your Witcher fan and put the first two games on the PS machines, why doncha??
You know? Fair. Exclusives are the result of competition and that's brought us to a pretty good point. Hell, it's gotten me to a point where all platforms can reasonably play everyone's game instead of something being truly unique. I suppose a better argument would be to bring down the walled garden between the platforms and make cross-play a thing across MP games.
Get off that high horse. Gatdayum, son.
not art that makes you lose money - thats the logical bussiness difference
as a platform holder you are willing to lose money with your first party games if it mean you cover certain areas in your line up
as a third party publisher you make games to make money with them, simple as that (the lower the audience, the lower the budget)
...it is for the platform holder. third party exclusive pretty much don't exist anymore
can you see outside the box and realize that for them maintaining their "ecosystem" is a far bigger priority than the 70%cut they would get on selling their games on other platforms?
You create content to sell your product, no surprise there. You partner with third party to gloat and create anymosity.
Talk about moving goalposts. Holy shit.
YOU get off your horse "son".
It's not about high horse it's about how many times are we getting hot takes as threads. This is what this thread is.
Which is also hilarious because I remember a time during the Wii, Wii U days when people wanted Nintendo games on everything. Gamers are wild as hell
Except they're awesome because they typically get the kind of resources and time only platform holders hoping to add value to the platform will afford.
Breath of the Wild, God of War, and the like don't happen unless they're exclusive.
Breath of the Wild, God of War, and the like don't happen unless they're exclusive.
There's no reason I shouldn't be able to watch the Mandolorian with my Netflix sub. It's anti consumer.
Came to say this. Well put.
This veiled console warring is so entertaining.
The alternative to Sony developing or bankrolling PS4 exclusive games is not Sony developing multiplatform games, OP; it's Sony not developing any games. The alternative to exclusive games being exclusive is not these same games being multiplatform; it's these games not existing.
There will always be exclusives, but if you look at the way things are now there are a lot less of them compared to the previous generations of hardware. Most third-party games are multi-platform these days whereas back in previous generations, many of those games were locked to one platform.
If you hate them so much then don't play them.
You, the consumer, have basically all the power.
You, the consumer, have basically all the power.
The sweet sound of corporate bootlicking apologism. The funny thing is, Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo pay people to do that, but you do it free.
For one, you just need to look at the movie industry to see that plenty of entertainment giants invest massive sums of money in the development of their media, without locking it behind arbitrary gates to prevent consumers from experiencing it how they want (eventually at least). I can buy a copy of Avengers: Endgame and watch it however the fuck I want. I can't with Bloodborne. So it's not at all necessary to promote 'competition', not that locking media behind gates is competition in the first place.
Yes, it is. Do I need to put an "In my opinion" in my argument to denote that I know this is a "me" problem?
You can have PC ports of Sony's exclusives if I can have PS <number> ports of all those neat horror games that never see a release outside the PC platform, as I can't be arsed to fork out $400+ for a PC just to game on it (I do essentially everything else on mobile and tablet anyway). Deal?
Seriously, this idea that Sony would be making the exact same games but for more platforms is completely absurd and not based in reality. If Sony isn't using exclusives to set their console apart from the competition they wouldn't be making games at all.
If you want multiplatform games, that's what third party games are for. That's the POINT.
Ms isn't releasing their games on PC because they have suddenly discovered they make a PC OS.
Ms is releasing them because they know they can't win the coming war bound to a console, the same reason Sony will start doing it (already does).
This pretty much this is a new way of console warring , i rather the thread telling me how you really feel because this whole narrative bit is ridiculous.
Your "stans" and "wants" don't put food on the table of directors, programmers and artists. Someone has to pay for these, and sometimes that someone is megacorps.
I don't care about games that aren't on the platforms I don't own so exclusives are fine to me.
Right. And the movie industry does it because it's the morally right thing to do or something? Out of the good of their hearts?
Also, movies do get made exclusively for particular platforms, what are you on about.
Like I said, myopic.
Only if it is Sony.
I mean he didn't rant about MS games not being available on PlayStation for example, or Nintendo (he edited it later because it made no sense at all).
There are also games exclusive to PC that aren't available on consoles. No comment on that either.
Next step, stranger things on hbo and GoT on Netflix please. Lol
Seems one of those threads trying to paint a certain platform holder as the bad guy, just at the roller next gen is starting to superar in the horizon
Well you have to subscribe to multiple streaming services to get their content, it's the same thing. This will never change. People should let go.
I agree wholeheartedly. There should just be FAQ page for takes like these. Imagine Disney+ subscribers complaining there's no Netflix Originals and blaming Netflix.
Lot of electricity in the air the past couple of days, especially since Microsoft said no exclusive games for the Series X for the first two years and Schreier confirmed Playstation to have PS5 exclusive games on launch, and I am really not a fan of the hostility that was sparked by that.
In a perfect world I agree with that exclusivity is not a great thing for customers if you look at it in a vacuum, but there is so much more to it than just that.
However I think that we, as gamers, would be worse off if we only had games that came out for each and every platform. A deep dive into it would be required in order to convey my point, but in essence I believe that many amazing AAA exclusive games simply wouldn't exist.
(A good example of this would be Bayonetta 2 on the Switch where Nintendo helped fund the game. Or Bloodborne on the PS4 where Sony was involved and approached FROM Software to make that game. A bad example of exclusivity would be Microsoft going to Square and buying exclusivity for Rise of the Tomb Raider for a set amount of time, which was basically locking out Playstation and PC gamers from playing it then.)
This is just my flawed subjective perspective of the matter though. Of course I would love to play Playstation exclusive games on my PC.
Time will tell. Microsoft/Xbox have a chance now. Scarlett and their approach of universal play is where they can show they have what it takes. Phil Spencer had enough time by the end of next gen (lets say around 2025-2027) to be properly judged if it was worth it or not from a gamers perspective (I am not talking financially).
Maybe my feelings on the matter are completely off and within the next 5-7 years the best games during that time are mostly Xbox games that I have enjoyed playing on my PC.
Maybe Xbox is on the right way.
At the end of the day I am just a gaming lover. I want the best possible games and many of them. I do gain nothing from having exclusive games that others can't play. However I will always prefer quality in games over accesibility. What the best approach to that is I do not know, but we will know a lot more soon.
In a perfect world I agree with that exclusivity is not a great thing for customers if you look at it in a vacuum, but there is so much more to it than just that.
However I think that we, as gamers, would be worse off if we only had games that came out for each and every platform. A deep dive into it would be required in order to convey my point, but in essence I believe that many amazing AAA exclusive games simply wouldn't exist.
(A good example of this would be Bayonetta 2 on the Switch where Nintendo helped fund the game. Or Bloodborne on the PS4 where Sony was involved and approached FROM Software to make that game. A bad example of exclusivity would be Microsoft going to Square and buying exclusivity for Rise of the Tomb Raider for a set amount of time, which was basically locking out Playstation and PC gamers from playing it then.)
This is just my flawed subjective perspective of the matter though. Of course I would love to play Playstation exclusive games on my PC.
Time will tell. Microsoft/Xbox have a chance now. Scarlett and their approach of universal play is where they can show they have what it takes. Phil Spencer had enough time by the end of next gen (lets say around 2025-2027) to be properly judged if it was worth it or not from a gamers perspective (I am not talking financially).
Maybe my feelings on the matter are completely off and within the next 5-7 years the best games during that time are mostly Xbox games that I have enjoyed playing on my PC.
Maybe Xbox is on the right way.
At the end of the day I am just a gaming lover. I want the best possible games and many of them. I do gain nothing from having exclusive games that others can't play. However I will always prefer quality in games over accesibility. What the best approach to that is I do not know, but we will know a lot more soon.
Sure! Let's put games on Playstation hardware too. My only qualm with the PC argument is that a lot of PC-exclusives are developed by (comparatively small) companies, or the barrier to entry to putting a game on consoles is simply too high for some developers. There's not much keeping a game on PC outside of resource constraints that exist on the console-end or a developer just not wanting to (see; FTL). Would be awesome if they could put those games on console too.
Movies don't make money by selling hardware. Your logic is deeply flawed.
All my favorite titles across the past several years have largely been exclusives, so I'm not exactly keen to jettison them. One unified product is never good for any sort of marketplace as it becomes a monopoly that the corporation can easily leverage for whatever purposes they so desire. Competition (in a mostly fair market mind you, which is a larger topic to debate on and has issues as well) breeds innovation and forces competitors to adapt, so the one platform isn't great. And games being on every platform gets more messy because it requires more and more resources from developers that could just be putting their effort towards the game (and probably directly inspires more crunch if the model of Fortnite is anything to go by in this regard).
Not to mention, there's a lot more inspiration in developing a diverse library of exclusives when you have a console to support, so you as a console manufacturer are probably more willing to take risks to develop an impressive game portfolio for your customers. Without the incentive of selling your own console product, there's less risk taking in the industry as well.
I just don't think the eradication of exclusives is going to go the way people think it is. In some way, exclusives are one of the few areas where companies are incentivized to put more effort and less bullshit into their games to showcase their hardware. So, once again, taking away that incentive might not be for the best.
Also, just saying, but Windows PC as a "platform" has a fuck ton of exclusives or "best versions" of titles out there that aren't available on consoles too, but I'm not going to call for every one of those to be ported. Hell, sometimes different consoles inspire different bases at that, which is also a good thing as we end up with a wider range of products available to customers to choose from.
Not to mention, there's a lot more inspiration in developing a diverse library of exclusives when you have a console to support, so you as a console manufacturer are probably more willing to take risks to develop an impressive game portfolio for your customers. Without the incentive of selling your own console product, there's less risk taking in the industry as well.
I just don't think the eradication of exclusives is going to go the way people think it is. In some way, exclusives are one of the few areas where companies are incentivized to put more effort and less bullshit into their games to showcase their hardware. So, once again, taking away that incentive might not be for the best.
Also, just saying, but Windows PC as a "platform" has a fuck ton of exclusives or "best versions" of titles out there that aren't available on consoles too, but I'm not going to call for every one of those to be ported. Hell, sometimes different consoles inspire different bases at that, which is also a good thing as we end up with a wider range of products available to customers to choose from.
Exactly. There's no functional difference between these two beliefs in how they completely misunderstanding (or more likely don't really care) how and why games are made.
I would love it too if I could play all MS and Nintendo exclusives on PS5 so that I wouldn't have to buy different hardware but I can't. Damn this anti-consumerism.
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So, you're willing to admit that there outside circumstances that lead to titles being exclusive and that's perfectly fine?
platform holders are in the business of selling people on their platform (whether it's a physical box that plays games or it's an OS or just a storefront). it makes sense why they would then make exclusive content that makes people gravitate towards those platforms. a lot of times, these exclusives wouldn't even be possible without the financial and technical support of the platform holder.
personally i have no problem with first party exclusives from any platform holder (MS, Nintendo, Sony, Valve, Epic, Oculus, etc). what i hate is bullshit timed-exclusivity deals and moneyhats and stuff like that, which is basically spending money so that a game that could very well be released on all possible platforms becomes an exclusive. that's just yucky imo.
personally i have no problem with first party exclusives from any platform holder (MS, Nintendo, Sony, Valve, Epic, Oculus, etc). what i hate is bullshit timed-exclusivity deals and moneyhats and stuff like that, which is basically spending money so that a game that could very well be released on all possible platforms becomes an exclusive. that's just yucky imo.
Lol I don't know what to say about this mentality. You WANT this or that on pc.
How about choosing as a consumer to support Sony or not?
How about exercising your right and forget they have exclusives. Enjoy MS's on PC.
But unfortunately, Sony doesn't seem to care for the minority that will agree with you. They're a hardware company first and foremost, they are making what supports their hardware.
Man... first world problems. I want this, I want that.
Support the company whose practices you support. Easy.
How about choosing as a consumer to support Sony or not?
How about exercising your right and forget they have exclusives. Enjoy MS's on PC.
But unfortunately, Sony doesn't seem to care for the minority that will agree with you. They're a hardware company first and foremost, they are making what supports their hardware.
Man... first world problems. I want this, I want that.
Support the company whose practices you support. Easy.