Yeah, the painting elephant is probably some animal cruelty on display. It's not displaying any creative skill or process, it's highly likely just replicating something that the trainers conditioned it to replicate, skinner box style. That head bop the elephant does at the end of the painting is not natural behaviour and points towards it being stressed. But hey, everything for that tourist money and YouTube views.
that's not always true. like i have literally no idea if the elephant in the video above was subject to animal cruelty. but conditioning an animal to perform a sequence of behaviours is typically never animal cruelty; it's literally just a positive reinforcement schedule where the animal gets a reward for doing the right thing, and no reward for doing the wrong thing. the animal never gets punished for doing the wrong thing - it just doesn't get the reward (usually treats).
you can teach animals to do all sorts of cool shit by knowing the bare minimum knowledge of psychology.
that's not always true. like i have literally no idea if the elephant in the video above was subject to animal cruelty. but conditioning an animal to perform a sequence of behaviours is typically never animal cruelty; it's literally just a positive reinforcement schedule where the animal gets a reward for doing the right thing, and no reward for doing the wrong thing. the animal never gets punished for doing the wrong thing - it just doesn't get the reward (usually treats).
you can teach animals to do all sorts of cool shit by knowing the bare minimum knowledge of psychology.
As reported in the UN Report Gone Astray, in Myanmar and Thailand the "kraal" or "training crush" method involves placing an elephant in a strong, large stall or cage, tied with ropes to keep the elephant from moving, including being unable to kick, raise or swing its head. This method is supposed to crush the elephant's spirit. Proponents argue that this allows the elephant to properly and safely learn the basic command "Still!" or "Quiet!", and enable it to adapt to its new environment.
National Geographic reports on the use of nails and sticks stabbed into the ears and feet of an elephant, the subject of a crush, in Thailand. Other reports cite the use of beatings with sticks, chains or bullhooks, sleep-deprivation, hunger, and thirst to "break" the elephant and make them submissive to their owners. It is not clear whether all training crushes involve the use of corporal punishment.
Wild elephants are being captured in Burma and mentally broken through savage beatings as traffickers seek to profit from a lucrative trade to Thai tourist parks, claims a new report.
According to wildlife-advocacy group TRAFFIC, poachers in Burma, officially known as Myanmar, corral elephants into jungle pits, after which older animals are slaughtered and the more valuable young ones tortured into submission before being trafficked over the porous border to entertain tourists vacationing in the self-styled Land of Smiles. (Formerly, elephants in Burma might have been put to work in the logging industry, but recent curbs have put this trade under threat.)
Except they don't do that in Thailand at all for example. So I can see his point. Which is his point. Elephants get punishment for training.
as i said, no idea about that specific animal. and the fact that it is painting such a choreographed picture (likely over and over) is a bit suss. i'm just pointing out that 'elephants painting' is not always an indicator of cruelty, and is used in a lot of zoos as a form of enrichment. however, when it's enrichment the paintings are usually random blobs of paint, so take the video in the op as you will i guess
I'm not sure about cruelty or not, but there is a group of these elephants in Chang mai (or nearby) and besides painting, they also play soccer and will put hats on people's heads. It looks cute still.
I assume not cruelty though, also reminds me of the monkey circus I saw on monkey island in Vietnam. They don't look scared of people
I was explained that the easiest rule of thumb is "does this place allow tourists to ride elephants?". If they don't have a strong stance against riding, it's another animal cruelty circus and should be avoided.This group in Chang Mai is changed daily so that people don't notice them being sad or looking like shit. There is exactly one rescue sancutuary that is not shit and is watched by the government. The other ones are just exchange places so that people don't complain about the elephants getting handled like shit. It breaks my heart that nothing is getting done to solve that over there, but tourism money is too good.
Scam is probably a stretch. The places I've seen the a have dozens of these paintings in the gift shop for you to buy. They're all vaguely the same with different colors or arrangements. No one thinks the elephants are just being creative.Iirc the elephants are trained to paint specific things and dumb tourists are charged to see this "amazing" display of intelligence. They're not actually picking up a brush and painting from their imagination. It's basically a scam.
There's lots of elephant cruelty in Thailand, but there's definitely more than one non shit sanctuary in (northern and all of) Thailand. Many run by Western animal rescue organizations.This group in Chang Mai is changed daily so that people don't notice them being sad or looking like shit. There is exactly one rescue sancutuary that is not shit and is watched by the government. The other ones are just exchange places so that people don't complain about the elephants getting handled like shit. It breaks my heart that nothing is getting done to solve that over there, but tourism money is too good.
Aww that's unfortunate. I did go on the ride too and it was a really cool experience. A pity they aren't treated betterNobody is saying you can't train animals without punishment as you said yourself. This topic is about Elephants and it's a big known problem.
This group in Chang Mai is changed daily so that people don't notice them being sad or looking like shit. There is exactly one rescue sancutuary that is not shit and is watched by the government. The other ones are just exchange places so that people don't complain about the elephants getting handled like shit. It breaks my heart that nothing is getting done to solve that over there, but tourism money is too good.