If monolith is involved this is definitely more than just a higher resolution remaster. Probably on the level of Xenoblade Definitive Edition.
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Aw that's lame. Would be amazing if they had like an entire English track with those VA's locked away in the vault they can revive in the remake. Would likely save a fuckton of money, unless they'd want to redo it anyway.
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BTW, I would certainly expect Motoi Sakuraba to come back as he did out of nowhere remixed Origins' battle theme in Smash:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZluXMYxQqQA
Now would tri-Crescendo come back though? Wasn't Sakuraba the founder of it even?
If this happens I fear we will never get Xenosaga anything ever again especially if this BK remake doesn't sell well.
If it's a faithful remake, I don't think you need to worry about it selling too well.
I'm just confused why this would get picked for a remaster (if there is even any truth to this) over Xenosaga.
I just have to believe Xenosaga is coming too then.
This. Unless some NIntendo[?] bigwig is some HUGE closet Baten Kaitos fan, I'd be shocked if this series gets its due before something with Xeno- in the title.
Xenosaga is pretty crazy looking, haven't played BK myself but it looks a lot more straightforward
That one shareholder who asked about Baten Kaitos last year really got them thinking.
It's easy, one of the Monolithsoft heads championed it and after the success of XBC2/1DE they had the flex for Nintendo to green light it
I mean one of the heads of Monolithsoft, the main guy behind the 2 games, Honnes, has not only been championing the series but has been roughing out the concept for a third and hasn't headed a game since BK Origin. Also unlike Xenosaga it's not a messy 3 parter with an aborted vision. They also may think the overall feel is more marketable too
one of the co-owners of Monolith Soft directed Baten Kaitos. he lead the Kyoto studio until recently
It'd be exciting to see what modern Monolithsoft can do that isn't Xenoblade. Yes, they've helped with a number of games, but I mean a game that visually/aesthetically looks fairly different, not to mention its battle system being drastically different
I feel the exact same way. Only way i'd believe this is if both were in the works. I also dont understand why they didn't opt to remake Baten Kaitos Origins instead since it is arguably the better game in the BK series. Until this is verified i'm honestly just going to assume this is fake.
Adding onto this, Xenosaga has different art styles and radically different battle systems per entry to consider if you were trying to remaster or remake it. There's fewer shortcuts than they could pull with, say, the Crash and Spyro remake trilogies, you'd almost be making 3 separate games.
Baten Kaitos stands well enough on its own to not have to worry about making the prequel alongside it.
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I mean I even if Xenosaga could have a higher revenue potential, Namco doesn't want it and I doubt that Takahashi even wants it. And Nintendo wouldn't want MonolithSoft to do it unless it's exclusive, which Namco probably wouldn't do (even if they wanted to do it, which they don't).
If it's really Monolith themselves doing it, I'm sure they'll do an actual proper job.
Let Honne make his game, it has been 17 years. Xeno got the red carpet, let this man who has been a pillar of the company finish his series
it feels cruel to me that this man is still passionate about it, and even 17 years later we just discuss about how xenosaga somehow deserves it more. Xenosaga is complete, Baten Kaitos isn't.
it feels cruel to me that this man is still passionate about it, and even 17 years later we just discuss about how xenosaga somehow deserves it more. Xenosaga is complete, Baten Kaitos isn't.
Let Honne make his game, it has been 17 years. Xeno got the red carpet, let this man who has been a pillar of the company finish his series
it feels cruel to me that this man is still passionate about it, and even 17 years later we just discuss about how xenosaga somehow deserves it more. Xenosaga is complete, Baten Kaitos isn't.
Will definitely be picking up these Baten Kaitos games, I'm super curious about the series!
They're going to get rid of those beautiful pre-rendered backgrounds aren't they? Eh who am I kidding, I'm still going to buy this.
Always thought a Baten Kaitos 3 would dive into (Major Spoilers) whatever the heck was going on with Geldoblame at the end of Eternal Ocean. Such a strange post-final boss to include if the intent was only to kill him off after he'd already been seen falling into a volcano an entire disc ago, and then they went and gave him backstory in Origins. Did the English translation miss anything that'd make EO's ending clearer?
They better learn to animate some fluffy fucking 3D clouds!! 🤣 I need the game to be beautiful (or heck, can you even imagine Mira?)
I'll definitely miss pre-rendered backgrounds. I was hoping some nostalgic indie RPGs would have done something with that by now haha
Xeno2 had very fluffy clouds as well...They better learn to animate some fluffy fucking 3D clouds!! 🤣 I need the game to be beautiful (or heck, can you even imagine Mira?)
I'll definitely miss pre-rendered backgrounds. I was hoping some nostalgic indie RPGs would have done something with that by now haha
Getting rosbif the backgrounds would be killing this alleged remake in the wombThey better learn to animate some fluffy fucking 3D clouds!! 🤣 I need the game to be beautiful (or heck, can you even imagine Mira?)
I'll definitely miss pre-rendered backgrounds. I was hoping some nostalgic indie RPGs would have done something with that by now haha
When (if) stuff like this happens it's usually because somebody inside the company is championing it and managed to propose a business case for Nintendo. Like how Metroid Dread is revived after Yoshio Sakamoto managed to convince Nintendo through MercurySteam's work on Samus Returns.
However this also works in reverse--if nobody is championing a project we're unlikely to see any initiative from Nintendo to revive it. Xenosaga will probably only happen if Takahashi wanted it enough, and I have no clue about that.
Huh. Kind of shocking, but I'd be very pleasantly surprised if this ever came to fruition. I'm honestly not sure if I'd want to revisit BK, but I would probably revisit BKO.
I remember, both one and two, the OST is baked into my soul
the games were kind of evil and perverse for completionists.
... those who know how everything works, are you gonna get all those once-chance, one-spot, available-for-a-split second magnus cards if left as it was in the priginals?
... those who know how everything works, are you gonna get all those once-chance, one-spot, available-for-a-split second magnus cards if left as it was in the priginals?
the splendid hair thing, the couple of cards in that space-ship mini-game, the pictures of some bosses, etc
I've always heard good things about this series and iirc the battle system was ahead of its time.
What can I say, if not that my body is ready?
What can I say, if not that my body is ready?
I'm not quite sure what you mean, but I'd say Xenosaga is a more straightforward series of games than Baten Kaitos.
As much as I love Baten Kaitos.....
I'm really dumbing it down, but I find this scenario hard to believe........
- "Hey, I want this really obscure series that barely anyone's played or heard of to get a fully funded remake/remaster. And it probably won't sell very well."
- "SOLD."
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- "I want the Xenosaga series, which has had petitions and high fan demand for years, to get a remaster and will likely sell reasonably well since interest has gone up from the success of it's spiritual successor series Xenoblade. What do you think?"
- "Nah."
I know bizarre situations like this do happen, but with the official reasoning being Xenosaga wouldn't be profitable enough, I'm calling some kind of bullshit here.
Let Honne make his game, it has been 17 years. Xeno got the red carpet, let this man who has been a pillar of the company finish his series
it feels cruel to me that this man is still passionate about it, and even 17 years later we just discuss about how xenosaga somehow deserves it more. Xenosaga is complete, Baten Kaitos isn't.
Technically Xenosaga was never fully realized and cut into 3 episodes. The DS version of I and II had Takahashi's vision for episode II and so many removed scenes from the ps2 release. While the whole thing was supposed to be 6 episodes long and cut short I do wonder how a Xenosaga 1-3 remake would look today/in a few years with numerous added stuff Takahashi thought about for the original release.
That is not to say that BK doesn't deserve this. I just feel Xenosaga has been asked for a ton more and it's bizarre it has come to this if true. I can't think of any large scale fan asking project to get BK remade/remastered like with what happened with Harada and Xenosaga too which makes it even more of a head scratcher here. Again, id be excited about a BK remake but I hope if this is true that they cover why they chose this over Xenosaga.
Xenosaga is a 3 games massive high budget cinematic rpg series that would have to get pretty much all redone due to the inconsistent styles between the games and this is not counting all the extra material they'd have to include.
BK is one game and it still looks fine today due to the backgrounds and art style used. BK1 is also self conclusive.
Not really hard to see why they'd go back it nowadays using Monolith 's newly acquired prestige.
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I don't think Takahashi wants to remake Xenosaga into a 6-parter epic at 55 anyway, the timing is too different from when he was 35 for it to make as much sense. And Baten Kaitos Origins was published by Nintendo so there is a partnership that exists there. Not to mention Honne is at Monolith Kyoto as far as I know so it's not like it's the only main project they'd have currently.
They better learn to animate some fluffy fucking 3D clouds!! 🤣 I need the game to be beautiful (or heck, can you even imagine Mira?)
I'll definitely miss pre-rendered backgrounds. I was hoping some nostalgic indie RPGs would have done something with that by now haha
Damn, everytime I see some gorgeous screens of that game I ask myself: "How the fuck did you miss that gem back in the days?"
Then I search for a used copy and forget about it again, just a bit too expensive for my taste. I hope the remake manages to retain its charm.
It was expensive back then! I wanted to play it, but the one game store that had a copy wanted like 2022 money it.
It's not like Nintendo hasn't funded niche as hell games destined to sell poorly. And MonolithSoft does a lot for Nintendo, with a premiere rpg series, major assistance on the legend of Zelda, and asset assistance on other games. If anyone earned a small budget for a passion project, it's them. Not to mention one of the founders directed Baten Kaitos and desired to return to it.
Meanwhile, Bamco says Xenosaga wouldn't be profitable; and they don't want to do it without Takahashi, who doesn't even want to return to it