Seems like Reddit is already in panic mode.
https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/c...justice_is_targeting/?st=jm5qsv5g&sh=9482f7c8
https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/c...justice_is_targeting/?st=jm5qsv5g&sh=9482f7c8
Iirc medieval 2 got a patch over something a year or two ago, so anything is possible really when it comes to PC gamesWell, that was quick. I don't even know why they are worried, it's a decade old game, it's not gonna get patched. Even so, it's still important to bring these kinds of things to light, so we can improve as a community and industry.
Some people seem incapable to understand that some things are just not okay anymore, like, you know, making fun of queer folk, or normalizing harmful stereotypes.
Like I said, there response to woman being able to have major roles in Rome 2 as generals and politicians was very negative, and alot of their content creators (Legends of Total War and such) associate with the alt right and have done some stupid jokes.Well, that was quick. I don't even know why they are worried, it's a decade old game, it's not gonna get patched. Even so, it's still important to bring these kinds of things to light, so we can improve as a community and industry.
Some people seem incapable to understand that some things are just not okay anymore, like, you know, making fun of queer folk, or normalizing harmful stereotypes.
As usual, their crying over persecuted classes of people demanding people acknowledge their humanity is going to likely be the thing that stirs the pot enough that Sega takes notice and gives CA the money to patch it in the first place.Like I said, there response to woman being able to have major roles in Rome 2 as generals and politicians was very negative, and alot of their content creators (Legends of Total War and such) associate with the alt right and have done some stupid jokes.
True, I just find it hard for old games to get patches that are not bug fixes and small balance patches. I guess there is a chance that the descriptions could be changed, but I still doubt it.Iirc medieval 2 got a patch over something a year or two ago, so anything is possible really when it comes to PC games
Hell system shock 2 got a patch like 6 months ago
I will take your word for it, since I don't play these games. I did notice some of the posters on that thread are also posters in less than savory subreddits.Like I said, there response to woman being able to have major roles in Rome 2 as generals and politicians was very negative, and alot of their content creators (Legends of Total War and such) associate with the alt right and have done some stupid jokes.
Seems like Reddit is already in panic mode.
https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/c...justice_is_targeting/?st=jm5qsv5g&sh=9482f7c8
Watch out, Reddit! We're here to ruin your fun and take away all your games by making you recognize blatant homophobia when you see it in games!Seems like Reddit is already in panic mode.
https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/c...justice_is_targeting/?st=jm5qsv5g&sh=9482f7c8
I set Google Translate to English->Latin and typed in "fruitcake". The result it gave me was "fruitcake".Foreign Fruitcake?
Lmao is that really period accurate language?
Hahaha they're so fucking shook by us! What a bunch of snowflakes lol!
Watch out, Reddit! We're here to ruin your fun and take away all your games by making you recognize blatant homophobia when you see it in games!
Boogity boogity boo!
Foreign Fruitcake?
Lmao is that really period accurate language?
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Don't use ableist slurs.And it was a way that was historically accurate too; Roman and Greek females couldn't be Generals, and it was relegated to Barbarian, Eastern, and African factions only. They don't care about accuracy, they just want there Gamergate hugbox.
It's been dropped in later games, thankfully, I never saw anything of the like...besides the Last Roman Campaign which portrays Belasarius as a cuckhold to his wife (which is historically accurate)Seems to be in the past though, I looked through the trait list of Rome 2 and the only one related to sexuality I could find was one that spoke more about if a character was interested in "weird sex".
Seems like they have dropped the sexuality traits since Medieval 2? Which is good, but yeah it's kinda big levels of awful in those old games.
I havent played either of these games.
If it is historically accurate I cant find fault with this.
Medieval takes place during the Middle Ages correct? If so, I cant see how homophobia isnt historically accurate, I mean that was the most shameful era in the history of human race... homophobia sounds like nothing compared to the rest of the atrocities that took place.
But again, I havent played these games so my opinion isnt as solid on this one.
I'm not sure you're remembering correctly.This has nothing to do with historical accuracy. Those descriptions are pure modern homophobia. It's also disingenuous to say 'back in the days of early gaming' as some posters are doing. It's was 2006 Ffs. I'd been gaming for 15 years at that point. That language was absolutely not acceptable in most places outside of the Deep South in the west.
You are being delusional if you think that in 2006 things like that were not normal, we've seen more progress in the last few years then all past decades combined.So you have no understanding of the period, don't play the games, and haven't actually read the original post or the thread at all. Congratulations for this sterling effort and commentary.
This has nothing to do with historical accuracy. Those descriptions are pure modern homophobia. It's also disingenuous to say 'back in the days of early gaming' as some posters are doing. It's was 2006 Ffs. I'd been gaming for 15 years at that point. That language was absolutely not acceptable in most places outside of the Deep South in the west.
Yeah, but not really. Most comments are saying ERA comments are balanced, reasonable and calling out the Reddit poster for stirring shit.
You can listen to people you disagree with without shattering. Try it!
So you have no understanding of the period, don't play the games, and haven't actually read the original post or the thread at all. Congratulations for this sterling effort and commentary.
You are being delusional if you think that in 2006 things like that were not normal, we've seen more progress in the last few years then the all past decades combined.
it genuinely infuriates me that you think this way, only in the deep south in the west? in 2006?? jesus christ.
People in this topic - most of them anyway - are discussing the levels of homophobia a game could have at that time. A game is a product of it's time, and bringing this kind of thing up is important, at least to me, since it gives an outlet to see how much the industry has improved and how much the community surrounding it still has to get better at treating fellow human beings. That there are people defending or deflecting this kind of content should serve as an example to how some still hold backwards view of queer and transgender folk.Oh wow, so we get angry in retrospect nowadays?
This is similar to James Gunn (or whoever that director person was who was sacked by Disney). It is history, company has clearly learned from their mistakes by not including that stuff anymore.
Or is this a case of "if you ever do anything wrong, you are bad for the rest of your life"? Does it apply to former prisoners too? Do you think that there can be no salvation for humans, they are what they are always, they can't grow as a person?
I wonder if anyone has actually read the thread they're linking. Reddit isn't in "panick mode", they're saying this thread is reasonable and that that content was problematic.
The descriptions are completely unnecessary and homophobic. People being homophobic in the past does not justify a game being now. The malus the characters get for being homosexual are more than enough to show how society treated them, you don't need to add a joke at their expense.Allow me to believe that you have no understanding of the period if you think that back then being homosexual was not frowned upon and that you werent in serious danger if other people knew about it. Also your aggressive and ironic tone makes it feel like we are "enemies" or something. We arent.
Edit: for silly typo
Whats your problem? That post is downvoted to hell, and the comments are supporting the argument against the game. Quit creating your false narrativeSeems like Reddit is already in panic mode.
https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/c...justice_is_targeting/?st=jm5qsv5g&sh=9482f7c8
Hahaha they're so fucking shook by us! What a bunch of snowflakes lol!
You guys seem like fools for not even checking the thread. Read my previous post.Watch out, Reddit! We're here to ruin your fun and take away all your games by making you recognize blatant homophobia when you see it in games!
Boogity boogity boo!
I havent played either of these games.
If it is historically accurate I cant find fault with this.
Medieval takes place during the Middle Ages correct? If so, I cant see how homophobia isnt historically accurate, I mean that was the most shameful era in the history of human race... homophobia sounds like nothing compared to the rest of the atrocities that took place.
But again, I havent played these games so my opinion isnt as solid on this one.
I really want to know what other games people were playing in 2006 that used language like this.
I mean seriously, did an entire genre of games skip the UK? Because I don't recall a single game from that era using language and homophobia like that.
It's not that it's not accurate, it's just that some of the descriptions are stereotypical and, yes, homophobic. I mean, the "Shameless Queen" and "Foreign Fruitcake" descriptions are pretty bad by today's standards.
But, as even the OP has suggested, it's a product of its time and the company and series has evolved beyond that. No one is saying "burn your copies of Medieval", it's more like "look where we were and how much things have changed" IMO.
I dont think there's nothing wrong, considering how homophobic some cultures in the past was.
but, those descriptions are indeed horrible and there should be a disclaimer how while those things were the norm in some places back then, it doesn't fly in today's modern age.
The person you quoted said the should put Ellie and her girlfriend from the Last of Us in breeding camps because there lesbians in the Apocalypse
The person you quoted said the should put Ellie and her girlfriend from the Last of Us in breeding camps because there lesbians in the Apocalypse
Yeah, it's pretty interesting and this thread made me read a few articles on homosexuality in past civilisations.Well the Ancient Greeks were not homophobes that's for sure, those Spartans loved some man on man time
Even the Ancient Macedonians had a "Great" leader who was openly gay
Alexander wasn't gay, he was bisexual.Well the Ancient Greeks were not homophobes that's for sure, those Spartans loved some man on man time
Even the Ancient Macedonians had a "Great" leader who was openly gay