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Politico: The President's personal attorney Michael Cohen has dropped his lawsuits against Buzzfeed and Fusion GPS over the publication of the Steele dossier https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/19/michael-cohen-drops-buzzfeed-fusion-lawsuit-537327 …

8:11 AM - Apr 19, 2018


Luke Harding @lukeharding1968

Michael Cohen has abandoned his suit against Fusion GPS and Buzzfeed. Which means Fusion's lawyers won't be able to examine Cohen's claim that he was never in Prague, as per Steele dossier ... https://twitter.com/joshgerstein/status/986938490620440577 …

8:21 AM - Apr 19, 2018


Politico: Cohen drops libel suits against BuzzFeed, Fusion GPS

Embattled attorney Michael Cohen has dropped a pair of much-touted libel suits against BuzzFeed and the private investigation firm Fusion GPS over publication of the so-called dossier detailing alleged ties between President Donald Trump and Russia.

Cohen abandoned the suits late Wednesday as he continues to fight to recover documents and electronic files seized from his home, office and hotel room last week by federal authorities as part of what appears to be a broad criminal investigation into his conduct.

"The decision to voluntarily discontinue these cases was a difficult one," Cohen's attorney David Schwartz said. "We believe the defendants defamed my client, and vindicating Mr. Cohen's rights was — and still remains — important. But given the events that have unfolded, and the time, attention, and resources needed to prosecute these matters, we have dismissed the matters, despite their merits."
 

LL_Decitrig

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So he just confirmed he was in Prague as stated, basically.

No. His dropping the case is still consistent with being overwhelmed by the weight of contesting the recent search and seizure. If the seized material provides evidence that Cohen visited Prague and met Russian agents, we'll see that soon enough in future indictments.
 

Stinkles

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No. His dropping the case is still consistent with being overwhelmed by the weight of contesting the recent search and seizure. If the seized material provides evidence that Cohen visited Prague and met Russian agents, we'll see that soon enough in future indictments.


Sure, that's definitely true, but both things can be. Here's why Prague is a problem. To date, all Cohen has ever shown as evidence he wasn't in Prague, is a passport. The front of a passport in fact, but lets give him the benefit of the doubt that he'd open every page to show entries (and in some countries, exits). Cool, no Prague stamp. But here's a list of problems with that "defense" in order of giant-ness:

1. An absence of stamp is meaningless, and doubly meaningless when you realize an American citizen is legally entitled to two passports - for people who travel often enough that one passport can be in transit receiving a visa (Russia, China and others). So you're allowed a second to enable continuous travel. I have this and I'm a random bastard.
2.Prague is a city in the Czech Republic, not a country. He keeps saying "Prague" but never Czech. Not a huge deal, but curious.
3. You can drive, train or walk into the Czech Republic from Germany. It's trivial to do, in fact.
4. Almost everyone on this forum could much more visibly and easily prove where they were on any given day, in exquisite detail, by showing a couple of pages of bank and purchase activity. Which he also hasn't done. He could do it right now, take a screenshot, redact the porn and backpage.com charges with a Sharpie, and put the whole matter to bed once and for all. He has not.
 

Ether_Snake

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He says he showed Trump his passport when Trump repeatedly asked him if he had been in Prague, and Trump saw there was no stamping showing he had been there. But I bet Trump saw the stamp for Czech and didn't even know Prague was part of it.
 

Stinkles

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I do understand that there is no evidence that Cohen wasn't in Prague. I'm just rejecting the drawing of a hard inference. I can't prove I've never been to Prague, either, it doesn't mean I have.

Oh I get it - I was just outlining why that item from the dossier is still very much in play, since McClatchy's reporting was never further verified and the right did a pretty good job of deadening the story. And that's the number one item on Cohen from the dossier.
 
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Prostitute Problem?
Phone Cohen!
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Sleeping with your staff?
Phone Cohen!
Attain an Abortion?
Phone Cohen!
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Phone Cohen!

For all your presidential needs.
 

Cochese

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I wonder how seriously the aspect of a pardon is being considered, either by Trump or his TV cronies. Yes, we all know how it would look. They don't really seem to care about that, or future consequences.
 

SpottieO

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Concerns that Cohen will flip essentially confirm (not that we didn't already see the smoke) that Trump is/was involved in illegal dealings?
 
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Cohen is the worst target to pardon as literally everything he's done except for Prague has a state level offense corrolary, and particularly since all happened in new York
 

BWoog

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So wait, if Trump pardoned Cohen for Federal Crimes, wouldn't that essentially mean he would be found immediately guilty of state ones?
 

phisheep

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Sure, that's definitely true, but both things can be. Here's why Prague is a problem. To date, all Cohen has ever shown as evidence he wasn't in Prague, is a passport. The front of a passport in fact, but lets give him the benefit of the doubt that he'd open every page to show entries (and in some countries, exits). Cool, no Prague stamp. But here's a list of problems with that "defense" in order of giant-ness:

1. An absence of stamp is meaningless, and doubly meaningless when you realize an American citizen is legally entitled to two passports - for people who travel often enough that one passport can be in transit receiving a visa (Russia, China and others). So you're allowed a second to enable continuous travel. I have this and I'm a random bastard.
2.Prague is a city in the Czech Republic, not a country. He keeps saying "Prague" but never Czech. Not a huge deal, but curious.
3. You can drive, train or walk into the Czech Republic from Germany. It's trivial to do, in fact.
4. Almost everyone on this forum could much more visibly and easily prove where they were on any given day, in exquisite detail, by showing a couple of pages of bank and purchase activity. Which he also hasn't done. He could do it right now, take a screenshot, redact the porn and backpage.com charges with a Sharpie, and put the whole matter to bed once and for all. He has not.

The other possibility is that was not his only passport. Wasn't the Prague thing 'debunked' by showing it was some 'other' Michael Cohen travelling on an Israeli passport with coincidentally the same DOB as our Cohen? What's the betting the Feds now have Cohen's Israeli passport?
 

Greg NYC3

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I wonder how seriously the aspect of a pardon is being considered, either by Trump or his TV cronies. Yes, we all know how it would look. They don't really seem to care about that, or future consequences.
Seems like bait. Everyone assumed that this case was a NY State case because why would Mueller refer this to another federal prosecutor when Trump could just pardon Cohen... unless that's exactly what Mueller wants. If Cohen gets pardoned he can no longer plead the 5th and would still be subject to state charges later that Trump can't pardon, it's the perfect trap if you're dealing with someone stupid and impulsive.
 

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In an interview with CNN last week, Cohen called the raid "unsettling to say the least." But he also said in the same interview that the federal agents were "extremely professional, courteous and respectful" — a dramatic departure from his usual combative style.

Those comments raised eyebrows among some in Trump's inner circle, who noted that one of the president's most ferocious attack dogs seemed unusually taciturn.

"When anybody is faced with spending a long time in jail, they start to re-evaluate their priorities, and cooperation can't be ruled out," said one Trump ally who knows Cohen.

This is feeding my soul.

I have recently finished Slow Burn - The Watergate podcast and this shit is playing out exactly the same.
 

Stinkles

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The other possibility is that was not his only passport. Wasn't the Prague thing 'debunked' by showing it was some 'other' Michael Cohen travelling on an Israeli passport with coincidentally the same DOB as our Cohen? What's the betting the Feds now have Cohen's Israeli passport?

See item 1. Yep, he could in fact have two other passports - a spare US passport (you can easily apply for a second one if you travel a lot) or an Israeli one.
 

androvsky

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Sure, that's definitely true, but both things can be. Here's why Prague is a problem. To date, all Cohen has ever shown as evidence he wasn't in Prague, is a passport. The front of a passport in fact, but lets give him the benefit of the doubt that he'd open every page to show entries (and in some countries, exits). Cool, no Prague stamp. But here's a list of problems with that "defense" in order of giant-ness:

1. An absence of stamp is meaningless, and doubly meaningless when you realize an American citizen is legally entitled to two passports - for people who travel often enough that one passport can be in transit receiving a visa (Russia, China and others). So you're allowed a second to enable continuous travel. I have this and I'm a random bastard.
2.Prague is a city in the Czech Republic, not a country. He keeps saying "Prague" but never Czech. Not a huge deal, but curious.
3. You can drive, train or walk into the Czech Republic from Germany. It's trivial to do, in fact.
4. Almost everyone on this forum could much more visibly and easily prove where they were on any given day, in exquisite detail, by showing a couple of pages of bank and purchase activity. Which he also hasn't done. He could do it right now, take a screenshot, redact the porn and backpage.com charges with a Sharpie, and put the whole matter to bed once and for all. He has not.
Your points are still mostly true, but Cohen has shown more than the front of his passport. He showed the inside of that one passport to Buzzfeed, and he's talked about receipts for a few things he's bought in a couple instances around the time in question. He was in the Schengen area for two weeks in July, but his exit time is marked also.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/anthonycor...passport-heres?utm_term=.siYQ1RdL6#.ah2PXjAno

Still doesn't discount the possibility of him having a second passport despite his denials, Manafort lied about how many he had to the feds.
 

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So wait, if Trump pardoned Cohen for Federal Crimes, wouldn't that essentially mean he would be found immediately guilty of state ones?

There's a NY double jeopardy rule, which is inactivated in most cases where a federal investigation is dropped but not in the case of a pardon. The NY Attorney General is trying to get this changed so that state charges can be brought after a federal pardon.

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The NYAG has asked to add 'presidential pardons' to the list of exemptions to their double jeopardy rule. Meaning that if Cohen, Manafort, or others are brought up on federal charges and Trump pardons them, NY can charge them with the same crimes. NY is the backup plan!
3:05 pm · 19 Apr 2018

 

lenovox1

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And he will be punished with a supreme court nom too

Where's that analysis coming from? The only one that seems even sort of loyal to Trump from my work research is the Assistant AG for the Anti-Trust Division, and we don't know where he is in the line of succession that the AG set or that he would do anything beyond what the other people have done.
 

GameShrink

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If the rumors about Russian mob ties are true, I hope Cohen is being kept safe.

This all ties back to Russian Oligarchs & Putin, even Trump is a pawn here. What I'm wondering is: Can the FBI and DOJ purge these hostile foreign interests while the president is sabotaging them?

They've taking on organized crime and sitting presidents in the past and won, but never have they needed to contend with both at once.
 

Tapeworm

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Russian sleeper agents are already within the FBI and DOJ. They've won. All we can do now is hope the Marvel Universe and Playstation Nation are enough to keep us distracted/entertained from our world crumbling around us.
 

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The other possibility is that was not his only passport. Wasn't the Prague thing 'debunked' by showing it was some 'other' Michael Cohen travelling on an Israeli passport with coincidentally the same DOB as our Cohen? What's the betting the Feds now have Cohen's Israeli passport?

Same birth yeah, different birth date.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/report-...a-different-michael-cohen-who-visited-prague/

Sorry for the lame source, there's a vid of Tapper saying it at least, it's hard finding old Cohen/Prague stories b/c of the new developments.
 
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Concerns that Cohen will flip essentially confirm (not that we didn't already see the smoke) that Trump is/was involved in illegal dealings?
Feels like it confirms three things. Cohen did illegal stuff, Trump did illegal stuff, and Cohen knows about Trump's illegal stuff.

Otherwise I don't see why you'd be concerned about someone "flipping" on you.
 

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There's a NY double jeopardy rule, which is inactivated in most cases where a federal investigation is dropped but not in the case of a pardon. The NY Attorney General is trying to get this changed so that state charges can be brought after a federal pardon.





Wouldn't that just invalidate like 90% of presidential pardons then?
 

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Business insider article on the NY AG attempting to change the double jeopardy rule: http://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-attorney-general-state-law-trump-pardon-2018-4

Schneiderman wrote that the country's founders argued that the pardon power would be used "by presidents with 'scrupulousness and caution.'" He suggested that while previous presidents used that power with caution, Trump may not.

Adding that he was pleased New York law protects criminal defendants from facing "successive punishments for the same acts," Schneiderman said those same protections could result "in the unintended and unjust consequence of insulating someone pardoned for serious federal crimes from subsequent prosecution for state crimes — even if that person was never tried or convicted in federal court, and never served a single day in federal prison."

A spokesperson for Cuomo said in a statement Wednesday that the governor believes "the federal legal system should not provide a basis for any wrong doers to escape justice. To that end, we are reviewing the proposal and look forward to working with the Attorney General on the issue."

Letter is here: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4440708-Eric-Schneiderman-Letter-to-Lawmakers.html

Will probably start a new thread for this.
 
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