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F.B.I. Raids Office, Hotel, and Home of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Cohen. Update: Hannity 3rd client
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The thought is that it would prevent cops from forcing a false confession out of someone.
Fifth amendment is about the right to not bare testimony against yourself in a potential criminal probe/lawsuit. In other words it is up to the prosecutors to prove him of being guilty rather then risk potential incrimination (like lying in a court room or against police, likewise they can't force testimony).
I'm no legal expert, but these things tend to go at the speed the court chooses basically. If it's a high priority case (which this is) the defense can only slow it down a few weeks at most through all these tactics.
It is generally seen that way and looks really really bad, but there are reasons beyond guilt why you might plead the 'Fif.' Therefore, you generally aren't advised to assert this privilige unless you would assuredly face contempt or perjury charges as a result. You can't say one thing publicly and then say something else to the court. Given the public nature of this investigation, it's the only choice he has to try to protect himself while protecting Trump at the same time. Probably won't protect him from whatever is coming for him, but it probably will protect him from facing federal perjury charges, at least. Puts a real wrench in the gears of the process, too.
It isn't technically an admission of guilt, but in the court of public opinion it is. Basicall it forces the prosecution to find evidence against you rather than intimidate you into incriminating yourself or (potentially) forcing a false confession. I think it needs to be expanded to some degree, because prosecutors still get alot of false confessions via threats.
So, it's basically means he is saying nothing, you can't ask him questions, no cross examination but everything else is fair game? As long as they have him dead to rights with evidence that doesn't need his corroboration he is screwed and it also means he can't object or defend himself to anything they bring up either ?
That's what a lawyer is for, the lawyer speaks on your defense. Its why the saying goes "A man who is his own lawyer has a fool for a client." You want someone who isn't under criminal liability arguing your case should charges be laid against you.
I agree. Before it's too late and we have more people who Trump aims to beat down start praising him. It's like Stockholm syndrome for a country.
Yeah good luck with that. He has the attention span of a gnat, hates reading and unless it's a drawing or printout he in's t interested.
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Do you actually have any confidence left in the system to make this right though?
I'm losing mine.
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I suppose the short answer is yes I do, I have been hearing for over a year that "nothing will happen" and that has been and continues to be untrue.
I'm seeing a lot of bed-wetting on this thread. Not necessarily referring to the above, but it does seem to be indicative of the confusion at the heart of it.
Cohen doesn't pick the Special Master. The judge has the final say. That's how the law works. She may well decide that given the importance of the case, she herself will take a close hand in scrutinising claims of privilege. She's only responding to the Cohen filing to request a Special Master because that's not a bad way of proceeding. If she does go along with it, this will be because she's satisfied that the nominee is trustworthy and will save her a heap of tedious work.
Also, a special master will add a second check to ensure the FBI doesn't fuck up and include evidence that should be privileged. It's not a bad thing. At all. The judge isn't going to just roll over for Cohen.
It's not an admission of guilt. Long video but worth watching if you're interested in the fifth.
My thinking is that the Special Master is bad simply because she's willing to consider Cohen's request.
The taint team is apparently good enough for almost all situations like this.
Seems like the judge is caving to the pressure that the FBI is "biased".
Of course nothing is decided but hopefully they don't choose someone Cohen nominated.
The taint team is apparently good enough for almost all situations like this.
Seems like the judge is caving to the pressure that the FBI is "biased".
Of course nothing is decided but hopefully they don't choose someone Cohen nominated.
Twist - he's only able to focus if his name is constantly mentioned, and given what they're about to sort through...!
It's gonna be like when you strap a slice of buttered toast on a cat and drop it, just starts spinning in mid-air since it can't not land on its feet but it can't not land on the buttered side. Trump's head'll start spinning so fast it'll pop clean off his neck.
I hope you're right. I'll vote and try to correct stuff I hear and see but... yea I hope you are right.
We couldn't get this lucky. But I'd settle for his head literally exploding as a proper conclusion to all this.
The ruling coming out of this is very high stakes. Cohen and Trump's lawyers are asserting they should be allowed to determine which documents the federal prosecutors are allowed to investigate... they even suggested the President himself would be involved in the review process.
If that is allowed to stand, it would make investigating Cohen's crimes, and any Trump involvement, very difficult.
Surely they know (even the judge) this cannot be allowed to happen.
Just to make a short point here - I know it's been used to refer to US presidents in the past and she's using it for an exaggerating effect here, but that leader of the free world ship has sailed for the current US presidency. If you say "leader of the free world", people outside of the US will most obviously be thinking of Macron, maybe possibly Merkel. Not Trump.
As I understand it, the desired comprise is to have a neutral third party chair these review sessions. The defense has suggested some names for that role that don't seem neutral at all, so maybe they think the process can be gamed even if they don't get their big ask.
Macron's domestic approval is at 40%, and his highest profile international accomplishment is sucking up to Trump. I don't see it. What's your reasoning?
I mean if you want to bring approval ratings into it.........
I'd say something here following that but I think the punchline is obvious.
Later during his speech before the congress he shat all over Trumps political "strategy" but I guess few people noticed because Donnie wasn't around to make the public pay attention with his clown-antics.
Yeah, Trump is fucking terrible, and his approval is down there, as well, which was the correlation that I was intending to point out. I certainly don't mean to defend him. I'm more interested in the question of, in a vacuum of American leadership, who is the leader of the free world? Does it have a leader?
I think Merkel is probably a more accurate choice than Macron, but I don't think either of them really fit the bill. In fact, I think it's still Trump, because of inertia and resources. It's just that he happens to be leading in the wrong direction.
Edit: I tried to quote Kitsunelaine 's post, as well. I don't know why I'm never able to get multiquote to work!
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Well, it's by the logical extension as the unofficial head(s) of the EU, as Germany and France are the dominant financial forces that people outside of the US are looking towards for direction. Macron especially has formulated his plans for the EU and their place in the global community while Merkel has (characteristically) been more conservative in that regard.
Also, I disagree with the "sucking up to Trump" wording - while one might have correctly categorised such actions in the past when previous, strong US presidents were in power and in control of the situation, it doesn't really fit today when Macron is doing a fairly obvious psychological manipulation of the moron in the white house.
Oh, I absolutely agree with you that the position doesn't have an consensus successor yet. I do think that most people agree on Trump having abdicated the position, though.
Calling the US president the leader of the free world is more a force of habit at this point than an accurate depiction of the current reality in terms of power/status/respect.
Trump still is it mostly because of the military and economic power of the USA. But maybe that won't be for long. It's somes sort of historic irony that the mightiest nation in the world has become so decadent that they voted a complete idiot as their leader who could destroy their global power by using said power itself.
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No comment or meme I post here could possibly convey how fucking hilarious I find this.
Mmm smoochy smoochy how do you manage to smell like fritos but taste like cheetos I love it, let's bomb some more countries together.
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