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Piecake

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Supercharged by powerful and widely available artificial-intelligence software developed by Google, these lifelike "deepfake" videos have quickly multiplied across the Internet, blurring the line between truth and lie.

But the videos have also been weaponized disproportionately against women, representing a new and degrading means of humiliation, harassment and abuse. The fakes are explicitly detailed, posted on popular porn sites and increasingly challenging to detect. And although their legality hasn't been tested in court, experts say they may be protected by the First Amendment — even though they might also qualify as defamation, identity theft or fraud.

In September, Google added "involuntary synthetic pornographic imagery" to its ban list, allowing anyone to request the search engine block results that falsely depict them as "nude or in a sexually explicit situation." But there's no easy fix to their creation and spread.

A growing number of deepfakes target women far from the public eye, with anonymous users on deepfakes discussion boards and private chats calling them co-workers, classmates and friends. Several users who make videos by request said there's even a going rate: about $20 per fake.

"It's like an assault: the sense of power, the control," said Adam Dodge, the legal director of Laura's House, a domestic-violence shelter in California. Dodge hosted a training session last month for detectives and sheriff's deputies on how deepfakes could be used by an abusive partner or spouse. "With the ability to manufacture pornography, everybody is a potential target," Dodge said.

The media critic Anita Sarkeesian, who has been assailed online for her feminist critiques of pop culture and video games, was inserted into a hardcore porn video this year that has been viewed more than 30,000 times on the adult-video site Pornhub.

Sarkeesian said the deepfakes were more proof of "how terrible and awful it is to be a woman on the Internet, where there are all these men who feel entitled to women's bodies."

"For folks who don't have a high profile, or don't have any profile at all, this can hurt your job prospects, your interpersonal relationships, your reputation, your mental health," Sarkeesian said. "It's used as a weapon to silence women, degrade women, show power over women, reducing us to sex objects. This isn't just a fun-and-games thing. This can destroy lives."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/tech...-target/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3de2d78f82c8
 

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That's not even the final form of this pandora's box. Duterte (or his allies) used it against a female politician from the opposition party to destroy her image. This is one russian farm away from global chaos. Being able to create inflammatory videos about your opponent with such a level of realism will wreck people's trust in the media / etc even more.
 

Dongs Macabre

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When this stuff first popped up I didn't think it would be a widespread issue because who would have time to assemble hundreds if not thousands of pictures for training, but I guess I sorely underestimated how fucked up these people are.

I wonder if it's possible for Nvidia to do something about this, since it's all done on their hardware.
 

higemaru

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When this stuff first popped up I didn't think it would be a widespread issue because who would have time to assemble hundreds if not thousands of pictures for training, but I guess I sorely underestimated how fucked up these people are.

I wonder if it's possible for Nvidia to do something about this, since it's all done on their hardware.
Porn is always the leading charge when it comes to visual media. If Star Wars is making CGI insert faces for Peter Cushing, you can be sure Ted from six blocks away is making deepfakes in their basement.

It is stuff like this that makes me think the internet needs to be securely regulated. idk in Manwin's ability to self-regulate content across their network of porn sites, let alone thousands of seedier sites. This stuff is absolutely abhorrent and fosters a sex culture defined by fear and sinister power dynamics.
 

JLP101

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I fail to see how this can be protected under free speech of any sort. This is flat out lying, deceit and abuse.
 

BassForever

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I kind of want to see some side by sides of the real thing and this deepfake porn. Like are these deepfake videos that convincing? Or do they fall apart under a moment of scrutiny? I get why people are rightfully upset and fuck people who are using this to abuse others, but this news is just blowing my mind.
 

Pankratous

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Makes you wonder if you've seen a deepfake and not even realized if the tech is that convincing.
 

Dr. Monkey

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Yep, been waiting for this from the minute I started hearing about faceswapping and how easy it was starting to be. Zero percent surprised.
 

Actinium

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It's going to be a rough couple years but my hope is once knowledge of the tech becomes wider spread it will lose a lot of its power to influence lives since everyone will know that any illicit video can be faked. So ideally trying to oppress a woman by creating deepfake porn of her will be about as damning as drawing a picture of her would be.

Which is to say, still deeply deeply creepy and fucked and invasive, but in no way reflecting negatively on the woman.
 

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The fake video evidence bit from the running man is happening. This is going to make the future very confusing....and scary.
 

samoyed

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"hurr durr look at me I'm a gamer durr what's wrong with gamer gate hurr hur I'm just asking questions bro derp"
 
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So creeps on the internet are using it to harass and shame women, yet not a single person has made a deep fake of me? I'm never gonna get cyberlaid at this point.
 

Hackworth

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I kind of want to see some side by sides of the real thing and this deepfake porn. Like are these deepfake videos that convincing? Or do they fall apart under a moment of scrutiny? I get why people are rightfully upset and fuck people who are using this to abuse others, but this news is just blowing my mind.
The point of this kind of shit isn't for them to be perfect, it's to be used as a justification of hatred and/or fantasy.
 

Zoc

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Is it wrong that I immediately thought that this phenomenon might be useful in providing plausible deniability for women with real or fake videos they want to forget about?
 

Eggiem

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...gtfo with this. So wildly not at issue, and never at issue. You're really gonna stroll into a thread about people creating content that attempts to destroy the lives of others to say WAIT IT ISN'T ALL MEN! NOT ALL MEN! like that's the problem here?
Ok. I take that back. Sorry for offending anyone.
 

Mona

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It's going to be a rough couple years but my hope is once knowledge of the tech becomes wider spread it will lose a lot of its power to influence lives since everyone will know that any illicit video can be faked. So ideally trying to oppress a woman by creating deepfake porn of her will be about as damning as drawing a picture of her would be.

Which is to say, still deeply deeply creepy and fucked and invasive, but in no way reflecting negatively on the woman.

once it becomes wide spread enough, not even real videos will be able to have impact because you wont be able to tell if its real or not

the latest pop-star could accidentally have a real video or her leak and nobody will care or notice, a silver lining i suppose
 

Gamespawn

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I kind of want to see some side by sides of the real thing and this deepfake porn. Like are these deepfake videos that convincing? Or do they fall apart under a moment of scrutiny? I get why people are rightfully upset and fuck people who are using this to abuse others, but this news is just blowing my mind.
it really depends on how many pics were used for ML. the more images used at different angles in different lighting the better the result. there was a thread here about it earlier in the year and some of the results were very convincing.

Edit: yup deepfakes
 

Rendering...

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Realistic video editing is the next evolution of photoshopping. This was always coming and it's unfortunate to say the least.
 

Conal

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once it becomes wide spread enough, not even real videos will be able to have impact because you wont be able to tell if its real or not

I don't think we're that far from 'reverse video searches' at this point. Having the technology to determine wheather a video is unique or based on existing sources is going to be more and more important in the next few years.
 

TheKidObi

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Men sure are something else.

The hatred some men have for women is mystifying.
Thanks for using some men, but be careful you might catch heat, for not saying all men.

Anyway that's some crazy stuff, espacally when they use it to target women or any other individual for that matter. Also no way it should be Protected by the first amendment claiming someone did something that they didn't could fuck up their image
 
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DrArchon

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It's going to be a rough couple years but my hope is once knowledge of the tech becomes wider spread it will lose a lot of its power to influence lives since everyone will know that any illicit video can be faked. So ideally trying to oppress a woman by creating deepfake porn of her will be about as damning as drawing a picture of her would be.

Which is to say, still deeply deeply creepy and fucked and invasive, but in no way reflecting negatively on the woman.
And then people trust the news even less than the already do.

You think "Fake News" is bad now? Just wait for this shit to become popular.
 

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It's always been sad to me that having sex or being in porn can indeed be something that lowers others' opinions of a woman. It doesn't make sense in a vacuum whatsoever and only makes sense in the context of a misogynist, sex-shaming world, which is something we should move away from.

More on topic, it's definitely scary to think someone can portray you in a way you don't give permission for them to even more realistically than before. Even more scary that people use them as revenge. Bad enough to lust after someone who doesn't want to be listed after by you or strangers, even worse to try and take advantage of society's judgmental nature against sex as a weapon. I feel sad for women affected by revenge porn as is, this is almost worse given it never happened.
 

BLEEN

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once it becomes wide spread enough, not even real videos will be able to have impact because you wont be able to tell if its real or not
This is absolutely not true. I say it in every thread; it's very easy to analyze the vid and see it's doctored. The layman can do it currently on short clips (or photos) uploaded to a website. If you know how to read the analysis, you can tell.

Now, it goes without saying that most people won't give a hoot. But at least it can easily be proven and dismissed or otherwise if one even bothered to care.

Realistic video editing is the next evolution of photoshopping. This was always coming and it's unfortunate to say the least.
Yep, and just like photoshopping, tools have been created to ascertain if the files are indeed doctored.
 
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That's not even the final form of this pandora's box. Duterte (or his allies) used it against a female politician from the opposition party to destroy her image. This is one russian farm away from global chaos. Being able to create inflammatory videos about your opponent with such a level of realism will wreck people's trust in the media / etc even more.

On top of this, there's the risk that people won't be able to trust what may be legitimate video evidence.

It's damaging on both sides... fake videos will be passed off as real, and the existence of fake videos will be used to push back against real videos.

Just watch: if the pee tape is ever released, the same types of people who make this fake revenge porn will be the ones claiming the tech was used to insert Trump's face on a double.
 

Conal

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This is absolutely not true. I say it in every thread; it's very easy to analyze the vid and see it's doctored. The layman can do it currently on short clips (or photos) uploaded to a website. If you know how to read the analysis, you can tell.

Now, it goes without saying that most people won't give a hoot. But at least it can easily be proven and dismissed or otherwise if one even bothered to care.

Now, sure. Next year? Maybe. In 5 years? Who knows.
 

Couchpotato

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Realistic video editing is the next evolution of photoshopping. This was always coming and it's unfortunate to say the least.

As someone who literally spent the last 2 days rotoscoping for a freelance client, this type of technology would be life changing from a process perspective. But I haven't met a single editor or designer in my field who thinks this would be worth the tradeoff for public good. It's absolutely crazy. All of us know where this is heading. It's like watching a train wreck as it becomes easier and easier to use by anyone with basic editing software skills.
 

Titik

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The best way to counteract this is to publicize about the existence of fake porn. If everyone is aware of it, then just say that a video that came out, even if its real, is well, fake. Makes the whole thing toothless. It's the same strategy that populists use when they scream fake news.
 

Dr. Monkey

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This is absolutely not true. I say it in every thread; it's very easy to analyze the vid and see it's doctored. The layman can do it currently on short clips (or photos) uploaded to a website. If you know how to read the analysis, you can tell.

Now, it goes without saying that most people won't give a hoot. But at least it can easily be proven and dismissed or otherwise if one even bothered to care.
No, most people won't care - and if you search someone, and the first thing that comes up is someone talking about a smut video of them, or the actual video, and the refutation of it comes later in the search, you're not even getting there. That's the problem. You can get stuff taken down, but it just comes back.