No, nobody is. That's just silly.How do you PC gamers feel about this? It doesnt seem like its a trend thats going away anytime soon. It just gonna get worse. Anyone thinking of switching to consoles instead because of this?
No, nobody is. That's just silly.How do you PC gamers feel about this? It doesnt seem like its a trend thats going away anytime soon. It just gonna get worse. Anyone thinking of switching to consoles instead because of this?
Feel free to migrate to PCEra if you can't handle the scathing critiques from the console proletariat.
This doesn't make any sense at all.How do you PC gamers feel about this? It doesnt seem like its a trend thats going away anytime soon. It just gonna get worse. Anyone thinking of switching to consoles instead because of this?
Then other companies should actually start competing.
I have rather small hands and the Steam controller is by far the most ergonomic I've used.Jesus I was really gonna call you a troll for liking the steam controller but you got some monsters there buddy haha.
You don't want to have a conversation about it. You're not addressing anything I'm saying and just focusing on some percieved slight so you don't have to.I didn't quote it because I couldn't get beyond the condescension of your opening statement.
We can agree to disagree, because your feigned disbelief and continued use of subtle condescension derail an otherwise interesting conversation of the launchers and why folks are choosing to align with certain platforms.
In this thread:
People not playing on PC talking about gaming on PC.
In this thread:
People not playing on PC talking about gaming on PC.
Competition is usually good.
Valve makes games tho...Yea i hope more devs will do this. I played on pc for almost a decade and switched to console because i didnt want support a company that dont make what i care about(games).
Yea i hope more devs will do this. I played on pc for almost a decade and switched to console because i didnt want support a company that dont make what i care about(games).
what the fuck are you talking about??Yea i hope more devs will do this. I played on pc for almost a decade and switched to console because i didnt want support a company that dont make what i care about(games).
Makes sense. Why the hell would they pay 30% to Valve (+interest as they wait for Valve to get some interest before transfering the funds) for pretty much nothing.
For a dev that makes billions year over year, the output is shit at best even if the games themself are good.
30% cut is an industry standard. Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft also take a 30% cut and you don't see people stop buying games on those digital stores for some blind crusade because Valve doesn't make the games they want anymore.Makes sense. Why the hell would they pay 30% to Valve (+interest as they wait for Valve to get some interest before transfering the funds) for pretty much nothing.
How do you PC gamers feel about this? It doesnt seem like its a trend thats going away anytime soon. It just gonna get worse. Anyone thinking of switching to consoles instead because of this?
30% cut is an industry standard. Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft also take a 30% cut and you don't see people stop buying games on those digital stores for some blind crusade because Valve doesn't make the games they want anymore.
Valve even offers more than any of those three storefronts in terms of support; Steamworks is both publisher and developer friendly, and in terms of feature sets is far more complete than any other digital storefront period.
"One area where the contrast is stark, however, is in multiplayer accessibility. While the PlayStation 4 version had its hiccups with getting the squad together, those aren't present at all in the PC version, which makes the most of its integration with Steam to get you playing together in under a couple of minutes. It's refreshingly simple compared to laboriously typing out a string of numbers, or fiddling with the PlayStation 4's subpar native interface."
There is one reason that consoles are getting away with it. Doing your own store is a alot cheaper than making your own console Every pub would make their own client if the gamers would accept more than one store.
You don't want to have a conversation about it. You're not addressing anything I'm saying and just focusing on some percieved slight so you don't have to.
It means they want it on steam, and they like having their things on steam. It can be on any other platform as well, whether that means consoles or (in PC land) gog, origin, uplay, Bethesda launcher, battle.net, whatever they don't care. They just also want it on steam so they can use the features they care about that other platforms don't have.
They themselves can be steam exclusive players, whatever thats their choice good for them. No one gives a shit if a game is steam exclusive though. Put it on everything go nuts it's not console wars. Then you can buy it on uplay if you like that. That's real competition. Forcing you to use a crappy launcher to launch an exclusive game in an attempt to get bigger and more popular, instead of making their client better and people actually wanting to use it (like steam as you just saw) is bad for everyone.
This isn't competition.
this is the silliest post in this thread yet. I hope you don't get any of your games from Amazon or best buy.Yea i hope more devs will do this. I played on pc for almost a decade and switched to console because i didnt want support a company that dont make what i care about(games).
How would you know what it costs for their infrastructure? You think CDN storage is cheap? Your ignorance is so clear, it's actually blinding.
Feel free to migrate to PCEra if you can't handle the scathing critiques from the console proletariat.
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You're right, making a console is something that Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft do out of the goodness of their hearts. Every time you buy a Xbox, Phil Spencer personally loses 50$ and gets kicked in the chin. What good Samaritans.Do you think making a console is cheap. Bethesda would ditch Sony, ms and Nintendo if they could.
But Valve canceled Ricochet 2, therefore this doesn't count.just another reason why steam is good
https://www.gamespot.com/reviews/monster-hunter-world-review-deadliest-catch/1900-6416842/
Yes not denying these are great for smaller devs. However, Bethesda will have to develop most of these themselves anyway on account of it being a big multiplatform game.Nothing?
You can ask some devs what they get:
Free Downloadservers.
SteamAPI for matchmaking.
SteamAPI for VAC (Cheating).
SteamAPI for Cloudsaves.
Ability to earn more money with trading cards as a dev.
Free Steam Workshop API and tools.
Free Steam Streaming servers to promote your game.
A free analytics tool.
A way to sell OSTs without any hassle.
Translation of parts of your game thanks to Steam Translation efforts.
SteamAPI for achievments.
A SteamAPI for all controllerconfigs.
Thats just from the top of my head that Valve offers to devs/pubs.
I was saying it makes sense for Bethesda, not its customers. I have a slight preference for everything being on Steam, but it ultimately doesn't matter to me if I want the game. I'm sure over time they will release it on Steam if they feel there are still many people who do. It makes sense for Bethesda to pay the 30% to console owners because it opens up their game to 140M players they wouldn't get otherwise. Steam doesn't have that luxury of a monopoly. Steam is necessary if you want exposure. But it's becoming poorer at it and arguably Fallout doesn't need it.30% cut is an industry standard. Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft also take a 30% cut and you don't see people stop buying games on those digital stores for some blind crusade because Valve doesn't make the games they want anymore.
Spot onjust another reason why steam is good
https://www.gamespot.com/reviews/monster-hunter-world-review-deadliest-catch/1900-6416842/
Considering they are all sold at a profit, i don't see what your point is supposed to be here. The consoles don't offer even half of the advantages Steam gives to developers, they have ridiculous royalties fees on top of the standard cut, and then they also basically get free money for blocking online behind a paywall despite them not actually hosting shit.Do you think making a console is cheap. Bethesda would ditch Sony, ms and Nintendo if they could.
Why is it that 30% is only brought up when it involves Steam/Valve?
Why don't any of the other console/digital storefronts get the same attention?
Bethesda is stopping it. Nobody is asking for sympathy. We are just airing grievances at having to use inferior launchers time and time again with absolutely no benefit to us.So what is stopping everyone here from just adding the Fallout 76 executable to Steam? Am I missing something can't all game be added regardless if they actually exist in the storefront?
Even if you cannot, do you guys actually use Steam this much vs just having the current game(s) shortcut in your desktop?
I keep trying to sympathize but this is very trivial. A non-issue?
Tried running Bethesda.net version of Quake Live through Steam just now and... Looks like you can't even use the add bethesda.net titles as non-steam games and use the overlay.
Fallout Shelter has similar message.
I'm aware both of these games are on Steam btw. But when I can I like to launch games through steam and use the overlay.
i did last time , similar thread appeared ... my head hurds even tday from itAnybody else want to play a drinking game where we take a shot every time somebody says valve has a monopoly in this thread?
*Gets to page 3*
If you really cared about discussion, you could have tried reading the thread. There are tons of posts answering your questions and addressing the stuff that non-Steam games are missing. But of course you don't care about that, do you?So what is stopping everyone here from just adding the Fallout 76 executable to Steam? Am I missing something can't all game be added regardless if they actually exist in the storefront?
Even if you cannot, do you guys actually use Steam this much vs just having the current game(s) shortcut in your desktop?
I keep trying to sympathize but this is very trivial. A non-issue?
I really don't understand these posts. Like Steam, other launchers are just another folder for your games. It's not really hard to have a shortcut to different launchers on your desktop.
I really don't understand these posts. Like Steam, other launchers are just another folder for your games. It's not really hard to have a shortcut to different launchers on your desktop.
you don't think anyone believes that that was your actual reasoning behind switching over, do you? I certainly hope not.Yea i hope more devs will do this. I played on pc for almost a decade and switched to console because i didnt want support a company that dont make what i care about(games).