I'm prety sure the OP knows exactly what they are, he's not someone who doesn't come into MC threads. I still don't understand why he went ahead and posted this though after the previous mod warning about Famitsu numbers
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Famitsu estimates that MH World is the highest selling game in Japan in 2018
- Thread starter Rodjer
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Did MHW not release on PC in Japan?
Since the OP only says PS4.
I don't expect that to be huge numbers, but given how massive the game is and the fact that larger games like PUBG had non-negligible Japanese presence back when we had data on such things I guess it could be six figures.
Since the OP only says PS4.
I don't expect that to be huge numbers, but given how massive the game is and the fact that larger games like PUBG had non-negligible Japanese presence back when we had data on such things I guess it could be six figures.
I believe it was PS4 only in Japan. Capcom didn't even release the XBO version despite releasing the XBO SKUs for their other games.
Neither did Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and Super Mario Odyssey, to be fair.
Why are you comparing sell-in numbers with sell-through numbers?Good for the Famitsu random number generator...
I guess?
It's pretty amazing that somehow they lost 500K Smash sales with their methodology
Digital sales might be higher than what Famitsu estimates but it's not like there were zero copies on storeshelves especially since the game sold 267.432 copies the week after.
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I'm aware of your bullshits that's for sure, i litterally posted 5 comments on MC threads in 13 months
"I often post on MC threads"
https://www.resetera.com/threads/me...019-jan-28-feb-03.98022/page-12#post-17785175
https://www.resetera.com/threads/me...019-jan-28-feb-03.98022/page-11#post-17783430
https://www.resetera.com/threads/media-create-sales-week-43-2018-oct-22-oct-28.78117/post-14419421
https://www.resetera.com/threads/media-create-sales-week-43-2018-oct-22-oct-28.78117/post-14419507
https://www.resetera.com/threads/media-create-sales-week-43-2018-oct-22-oct-28.78117/post-14419879
Relax, I agree "often" isn't accurate .
And I don't want to impute motive, my apologies.
Just know that these estimates are almost as bad as VGchartz's and don't constitute an healthy base for discussion.
MH had over a year to sell, Smash didn't even have a month lol. Also according to some people in here the numbers are incorrect anyway lol.
Famitsu numbers that include digital sales should be not allowed here, like the other infamous "chartz" sales site.
Damn Smash is a beast! in less than a month, on one platform, almost dethroned the best selling game of the YEAR.
We don't know because Famitsu's data includes a garbage digital estimate which has already been proven wrong for Smash. It is incredibly off, at the very least by like 200k.
The open hostility against VGChartz is funny, seeing as how this community started with the fallout from GAF. After Aqua got her account closed, she posted in the chartz forums quite a bit and many NPD discussions stemmed from that. Zhuge also posted there after his ban iirc. I'm not saying their posted numbers are reliable at all, but the negativity is a bit over the top.
We don't know for sure either way.
We don't know for sure either way.
Well, people aren't deriding the community, they are deriding the numbers. I don't know the community, but I don't see a reason to dislike/deride them, but the numbers are useless, regardless.
These are retail sell through numbers + extremely poor polling data derived numbers. Famitsu digital estimates are trash.
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One is a number you can bring to investors under penalties of law for any misinformation, the other is strictly entertainment...
Thanks for trying to be a total fucking dick though!
What are you talking about?
Do you not understand the difference between sell-in and sell-through?
Do you understand the difference between reliable and unreliable? Between good and bad data?
This has nothing to do with reliable vs unreliable. Read the previous replies before butting in.
VGChartz actually started on NeoGAF because the founder, ioi, decided that Famitsu/Media-Create/NPD were all under-tracking sales due to a supposed systematic error with their sampling, point of sale, and extrapolation methods. They started producing their own numbers that "corrected" this issue and started advertising their site in those old threads on NeoGAF before getting banned and fully expanding upon the concept.
The issue is that there is no rational methodology behind the numbers produced and shown initially. Then the numbers get updated without documentation to make them look more accurate in retrospect once shipment data and official tracker data is known. It is skeezy and inaccurate.
I don't know much about the community, but they do prop up bad data, so I don't really appreciate that.
Of course it has. Sell-in data from Nintendo is reliable
Sell through data including digital from Famitsu isn't. You butted in calling someone's data incorrect because it's sell-in versus the fantasical numbers presented here.
There's a reason those numbers are banned in MC threads which you know perfectly well anyway but you had to make a point about Nintendo's numbers in order to discredit their use now, didn't you?
Title needs a change since Smash is several hundred thousand copies ahead of MHW, in less than two months no less lol.
A few things... in this case, there are pretty much two fairways of comparing the numbers.
1. Shipment data vs. shipment data
2. Physical retail sales vs. physical retail sales
Since we don't have option 1 because Capcom doesn't provide shipments for just Japan, that is not a viable option. You brought up the point that Smash sold 200k+ the following week, which is true and that 200k+ is probably factored into Nintendo's shipped number. It would still be more than the number there for Monster Hunter. It would be close though. The conclusion from it is that since we don't have reliable digital sales or reliable head to head shipment numbers, we revert to option 2.
Everyone knows that Famitsu digital numbers are straight tales from the ass. People who advocate them know exactly what they're doing and they ain't slick.
Believe me, I don't care for their BS either, but the am I unt of hostility is a little overblown IMO.
We don't actually know this for sure though. There don't seem to be reliable digital numbers anywhere, so the ones for MHW could be undersold just like the Smash ones.
You really don't understand so I'll explain.
The person I replied to compared a sell-in number by Nintendo of 3.17m (which of course is accurate, who said differently?) to a sell-through estimate by Famitsu of 2,669,884 and then said "It's pretty amazing that somehow they lost 500K Smash sales with their methodology". The person implied that Famitsu wrongly missed 500k of sales even though Famitsu reports sell-through numbers and not sell-in numbers. The sell-in number by Nintendo includes every copies shipped to retailers or on store shelves on December 31st and that obviously wasn't zero. So no Famitsu did not "lose 500K Smash sales with their methodology".
Which is why is asked "Why are you comparing sell-in numbers with sell-through numbers?".
We shouldn't be. I don't think there is any directly comparable data available so at this time a factual conclusion as to which sold better in 2018 is impossible.
Famitsu's Data cannot be proven true. Nintendo'd data is true but isn't sell through.
Obviously Smash has outsold MHW at this point so I am not sure why we are splitting hairs about 2018.
This thread should probably not have been made until we had facts to go with it.
Well we know by sell-through numbers that Smash did better, don't we? They were just pointing out the flaw in the Famitsu Digital by showing the Smash shipment discrepancy.
We know all of that and yet the only tangible number for 2018 that we have is Nintendo's. Otherwise it's MC/Dengeki/Famitsu retail sales which showed Smash handily outsell MHW.
In other words, the thread premise is wrong, the conclusions are wrong and this is one pointless thread about numbers that have been explicitly banned and your nitpicking over Nintendo's numbers when you've been using famitsu's digital numbers in the past and even gave them a free pass because "it'S better than no numbers" fools no one here.
So it's cRiMiNAl to post Famitsu digital estimates but it's all right to compare sell-in numbers to sell-through numbers? I think you're the one not fooling anyone here.
Sell-in numbers to sell-through numbers should not be directly compared. Nor should Famitsu digital estimates. But again it's all moot. Smash outsold MHW by a large and growing margin. What it sold in 2018 (a few weeks in for Smash, 11 months in for MHW) which isn't even a financial year, only exists for console wars brownie points. Again, MHW may have indeed outsold Smash in 2018 but we can't, at this time, know for sure and it's not very important.
