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nemoral

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Oct 25, 2017
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Watching terrible man babies with the literary sophistication of a bad anime whine about other people's writing is usually amusing for the sheer misplaced arrogance of it. But seeing the same crappy losers whine about Star Wars for decades has sort of taken the bloom off the rose.
 

Remember

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
2,484
Chicago, IL United States
You all are not pulling any punches in this thread in regards to your feelings on the matter.

All of the thread's jokes, insults, and circlejerks aside, if they want this to be successful, they just have to fix the few issues with the movie and not rewrite everything.

Fix the few plotholes, fix the slow space chase partly by writing that the rebel general revealed her plan to the crew so there was no unnecessary mutiny, or leave the unnecessary mutiny in but fix the side quest with Finn and Rose to not involve leaving to a completely far away casino planet while their comrades are fighting for their lives being shot into oblivion. Add about 10 to 15 minutes of a Snoke flashback or at least add him saying who he really is and where he is from to Rey so we can at least know that story. Also on a smaller note fix the two scenes where people were not affected at all by the vacuum of space(not talking about Superman Leia).

That's it. Leaving Luke alive or dead after that force projection is something I don't really care about. The more you change, the more Rian fans will make fun of your project for being too fan-fictioney. Keep it simple and to the point.

Doing this and not the prequels is pretty telling...

Someone actually did make director's cut versions of the prequels that take out a ton of unnecessary scenes, add in dvd-cut scenes that added to the plot in some way, and get more to the point so things are more cohesive and paced better. They were on YouTube for a long while, called the no-cheese edits. They managed to cut 40+ minutes from each movie and after watching them I thought they were pretty good cuts.
 
Oct 26, 2017
8,055
Appalachia
Add about 10 to 15 minutes of a Snoke flashback or at least add him saying who he really is and where he is from to Rey so we can at least know that story.
I agree with everything you said but this specific change undermines one of the themes of the film which is that sometimes you don't get the answers you expected and sometimes you don't get any answers at all (same with Rey's parents) and that sometimes it's better to just let the past go and look ahead.

I mean I get that a core group of fans really really really needs to know Snoke's back story for some reason, but I just can't agree that this is a necessary change that would benefit the film for anyone outside of aforementioned core group of fans
 

Kin5290

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Oct 26, 2017
3,390
You all are not pulling any punches in this thread in regards to your feelings on the matter.

All of the thread's jokes, insults, and circlejerks aside, if they want this to be successful, they just have to fix the few issues with the movie and not rewrite everything.

Fix the few plotholes, fix the slow space chase partly by writing that the rebel general revealed her plan to the crew so there was no unnecessary mutiny, or leave the unnecessary mutiny in but fix the side quest with Finn and Rose to not involve leaving to a completely far away casino planet while their comrades are fighting for their lives being shot into oblivion. Add about 10 to 15 minutes of a Snoke flashback or at least add him saying who he really is and where he is from to Rey so we can at least know that story. Also on a smaller note fix the two scenes where people were not affected at all by the vacuum of space(not talking about Superman Leia).

That's it. Leaving Luke alive or dead after that force projection is something I don't really care about. The more you change, the more Rian fans will make fun of your project for being too fan-fictioney. Keep it simple and to the point.



Someone actually did make director's cut versions of the prequels that take out a ton of unnecessary scenes, add in dvd-cut scenes that added to the plot in some way, and get more to the point so things are more cohesive and paced better. They were on YouTube for a long while, called the no-cheese edits. They managed to cut 40+ minutes from each movie and after watching them I thought they were pretty good cuts.
If they want to make this "remake" at all they'll need the rights, which they will never get. That's how divorced from reality these people are (or, more likely, how open to being scammed these idiot fanboys are).
 

Osahi

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Oct 27, 2017
5,936
You all are not pulling any punches in this thread in regards to your feelings on the matter.

All of the thread's jokes, insults, and circlejerks aside, if they want this to be successful, they just have to fix the few issues with the movie and not rewrite everything.

Fix the few plotholes, fix the slow space chase partly by writing that the rebel general revealed her plan to the crew so there was no unnecessary mutiny, or leave the unnecessary mutiny in but fix the side quest with Finn and Rose to not involve leaving to a completely far away casino planet while their comrades are fighting for their lives being shot into oblivion. Add about 10 to 15 minutes of a Snoke flashback or at least add him saying who he really is and where he is from to Rey so we can at least know that story. Also on a smaller note fix the two scenes where people were not affected at all by the vacuum of space(not talking about Superman Leia).

That's it. Leaving Luke alive or dead after that force projection is something I don't really care about. The more you change, the more Rian fans will make fun of your project for being too fan-fictioney. Keep it simple and to the point.



Someone actually did make director's cut versions of the prequels that take out a ton of unnecessary scenes, add in dvd-cut scenes that added to the plot in some way, and get more to the point so things are more cohesive and paced better. They were on YouTube for a long while, called the no-cheese edits. They managed to cut 40+ minutes from each movie and after watching them I thought they were pretty good cuts.

Not pulling punches is the only thing you can do. From their tweets alone you see they haven't got a clue how movie making works. I mean, one of their arguments is 'a team of writers is always better then just one who thinks every idea he has is the best'. Disregarding how having a lot of writing credits isn't really an indication of the quality of a movie (more often and not it's an indicaton of how awful it probably is), they really think a screenwriter pops out a screenplay and the studio just gives it a go, without notes/meetings and multiple drafts?

And sorry, but you're ideas wouldn't turn TLJ in a better movie. Not by along shot.

Holdo not giving her plan to Poe? Yeah, from their first moment together it is pretty clear she doesn't trust him at all. And he is demoted and has no business knowing of the plan, which depends on secrecy above all. Yeah, it all goes horribly wrong because of this, but people make mistakes, and it's those mistakes that ensure conflict, which is the thing you need in your movies. It's way more intesting having your hero's get themselves in a pickle, than having goodie goodshoes being thwarted by just badguys. Having Poe realise he fucked up and growing into the leader he has to be, in stead of someone who thinks everything is solved by blowing stuff up, is actually a character arc you know.

The 'side quest' is again integral to the main character going on this 'side quest'. That it is on a faraway planet doesn't mean shit. He is there BECAUSE his friends are dying and because this is the best plan they have at that moment. It's also a plotline that again serves the character and the story of that character, not a plot for the sake of being plot.

Having a Snoke flashback or having him say 'oh, for the record, I'm Darth Plagueis's clone's brother-in-law' is a terrible idea. It wouldn't serve anything. Screenwriter's actually try their best to avoid having too much exposition. The least of this shit you have, the better, because it only holds the story up. Exposition is the thing that is constantly being trimmed down in new drafts, and often lots of it ends up on the editing room floor too. So what would it serve? An itch some fans have given themselves (because Snoke is not set up as a mystery in TFA. He's set up as the man pulling the strings in the FO, and none of the Hero's wonder 'who is Snoke?', they all just acknowledge his supreme commander role). Also, the big cameo/reveal in Solo pretty much proves how awful these kind of unessecairy reveals can be.

Don't worry, there will definitely be a comic or a novel at some point digging into Snoke's backstory. But for the story of the movie? It doesn't mean shit.

The Last Jedi isn't without it flaws. It has some pacing issues and the Leia space-thing doesn't really work in how it was filmed (I do believe it wouldn't be such a devisive moment if Carrie was still alive though, it kinda grades with me because I thought they had found a beautiful way of writing her out when I first saw it). But overall it's an incredible movie, that has the kind of clear authorial vision so many contemporary blockbusters lack. It's actually memorable, because not one of the main characters get out this movie the same way they get in. It's a character-driven blockbuster, trying to find the most interesting story to tell, in an age where having fan serving set pieces are all the rage. I'll take this over any of the Marvel-movies for instance, even though I sit my ass down at the first showing of every MCU, like I do with every Star Wars.
 
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Nerrel

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Oct 31, 2017
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Add about 10 to 15 minutes of a Snoke flashback or at least add him saying who he really is and where he is from to Rey so we can at least know that story.

No.

Unless you also thought the original films needed to be edited to have the emperor go on an irrelevant 15 minute monologue about how he killed Plageus and corrupted the senate right in the middle of his climactic scene with Luke and Vader. And while you're at it, edit in an explanation for why Vader is in that fucking suit to begin with, because the original films never bothered to explain any of that. And he was one of the very first characters you saw! Is he even a human? You didn't even know until halfway into the movie. If you hate how TLJ handled Snoke, you must have loathed the originals for their even poorer storytelling and larger oversights when it comes to such vital details.

Thank god the prequels came along and finally corrected that mistake by filling in all that necessary information. I rest a little easier now knowing who built C3P0, and how a gungan ruined democracy for everyone in the universe.

But seriously, move along and look forward to some other movie coming down the line.
 

Osahi

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Oct 27, 2017
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He's the whole origin of:

The First Order
Kylo turning to the dark side
Luke losing his main student, and becoming a hermit for decades
Han Solo dying

Doesn't everyone care about him? He's the driving force behind the entire sequel trilogy.

He is not the driving force. He is at most the inciting incident. He sets everything in motion, but it's Kylo and Rey who actually drive the events. It is them making the nessecairy choices and change as a character. Snoke is the man in the shadows like the Emperor was.

The whole point of the rebellion in Episodes IV, V and VI was to take out the Empire, and the dark side force users.

They clearly missed one of the most powerful guys, and he was alive during that period. How can the characters themselves not care? If you watch Episode VI and then watch Episode VII, how can anyone not care? It literally makes no sense. The motivations of every character in the entire series would care.

What are you talking about? Leia cares enough to start a new Resistance, because she believes the New Republic has become complacent and doesn't realise the danger the FO poses. It's literally in the opening crawl of TFA.

But no, they don't really care if he's some old extended universe dude in disguise. He's someone who hs become strong in the dark side of the force, in the wake of the Empire's demise. That's all the backstory you and the characters need to understand the real story: that of Kylo and Rey.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Holdo not giving her plan to Poe? Yeah, from their first movie it is pretty clear she doesn't trust him at all. And he is demoted and has no business knowing of the plan, which depends on secrecy above all. Yeah, it all goes horribly wrong because of this, but people make mistakes, and it's those mistakes that ensure conflict, which is the thing you need in your movies.
When you say "first movie" do you mean TFA? I don't remember Holdo being in there.

My main issue with Holdo in TLJ was that the conflict between her and Poe seemed awful sudden. Maybe I missed her somewhere else, but from what I recall she just stepped to the front after the Leia thing and copped an attitude. I mean I get it on a technical sense, she is taking Leia's role in her absence and Poe was demoted, but in terms of film language there wasn't anything there to really give that dynamic much importance on-screen until the redemption moment. Holdo came off like a plot device so Poe could do some Poe stuff and disobey orders.

But that's my main complaint when it comes to the issues I have with TLJ. The outline is great, I love the actors, I don't think the plot beats should change really, but certain arcs seem to not have had enough time in the oven to portray the character development with as much weight as other arcs. I would just like to see characters like Rose and Holdo get more moments like their introductions and departures, respectively.
 

BronzeWolf

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Nov 3, 2017
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I loved TLJ!

Such a beautiful movie, and the message was quite clear. Being youself is ok, you don't need to be some kind of uber reknown hero to do good in the world.

At least that's my take on it
 

SaviourMK2

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Oct 25, 2017
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You CANNOT remake the Last Jedi, Fisher is no longer with us, the movie trilogy is continuing on. Fuck off with this Last Jedi nonsense. It's here to fucking stay.
 

Keldroc

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Oct 27, 2017
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He's the whole origin of:

The First Order
Kylo turning to the dark side
Luke losing his main student, and becoming a hermit for decades
Han Solo dying

Doesn't everyone care about him? He's the driving force behind the entire sequel trilogy.

In the same way the Emperor was the driving force behind the original trilogy, I suppose. You know, that guy who made one phone call in the second movie and didn't even appear in person until the third, had no backstory whatsoever and didn't even have a name beyond his title. I guess the OT is trash now, too.

TLJ haters are so, so bad at this. Every time. It's astounding. You didn't like a great film. It's okay. Move on already. Solo proves that generic reheated nonsense is alive and well in the Star Wars franchise, you'll get plenty of what you like along with the ones that try to make you think once in a while.
 

Osahi

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Oct 27, 2017
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When you say "first movie" do you mean TFA? I don't remember Holdo being in there.

My main issue with Holdo in TLJ was that the conflict between her and Poe seemed awful sudden. Maybe I missed her somewhere else, but from what I recall she just stepped to the front after the Leia thing and copped an attitude. I mean I get it on a technical sense, she is taking Leia's role in her absence and Poe was demoted, but in terms of film language there wasn't anything there to really give that dynamic much importance on-screen until the redemption moment. Holdo came off like a plot device so Poe could do some Poe stuff and disobey orders.

But that's my main complaint when it comes to the issues I have with TLJ. The outline is great, I love the actors, I don't think the plot beats should change really, but certain arcs seem to not have had enough time in the oven to portray the character development with as much weight as other arcs. I would just like to see characters like Rose and Holdo get more moments like their introductions and departures, respectively.

Sorry. I ment to type 'from their first moment together'. Blame it on being early morning here and my brain not injected with cafeine yet.

I understand the criticism that some stuff could have used just a tad more depth or development. It's pretty obvious TLJ is very packed as it is (every main character has it's arc now), and that in the edit (screenplay edits or movie edit) lots of stuff had to go or didn't have room to breath. Personally I don't have a problem with how Holdo reacts at all. We meet her as someone who is very ware of 'flyboys' like Poe, and him having fucked up with his rash action just before, was enough for me to understand she is very distrusting of him.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Sorry. I ment to type 'from their first moment together'. Blame it on being early morning here and my brain not injected with cafeine yet.

I understand the criticism that some stuff could have used just a tad more depth or development. It's pretty obvious TLJ is very packed as it is (every main character has it's arc now), and that in the edit (screenplay edits or movie edit) lots of stuff had to go or didn't have room to breath. Personally I don't have a problem with how Holdo reacts at all. We meet her as someone who is very ware of 'flyboys' like Poe, and him having fucked up with his rash action just before, was enough for me to understand she is very distrusting of him.
Hey no worries!

I am a self-described film snob (my friends say I "hate all movies") so I'm going to nitpick stuff like this. I watched TLJ at 2am during a SW marathon right before going to see Solo so maybe upon a rewatch I'll appreciate the dynamic a bit more, or at least be able to describe my critique better. This is the kind of talk best had while watching the movie together over a beer or something, though, you know?
 

CaviarMeths

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
10,655
Western Canada
Reading through that Kelly Marie Tran Instagram thread and seeing several people actually insist that Paige was a "better character" than Rose (I'll wait while you google who Paige was), I think it's pretty clear the quality of how a fan-sourced TLJ rewrite would go.
 

Owarifin

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
1,741
If someone spent a quarter billion on an unauthorized Star Wars movie,
I'd probably watch it out of curiosity.
 

Muad'dib

Banned
Jun 7, 2018
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A fool and his gold are easily parted I guess.

It would've been nice to know where Snoke came from and how he managed to rally the imperial remnants, tho I guess it would be for another backstory movie or a comic tie in.

In the same way the Emperor was the driving force behind the original trilogy, I suppose. You know, that guy who made one phone call in the second movie and didn't even appear in person until the third, had no backstory whatsoever and didn't even have a name beyond his title. I guess the OT is trash now, too.

TLJ haters are so, so bad at this. Every time. It's astounding. You didn't like a great film. It's okay. Move on already. Solo proves that generic reheated nonsense is alive and well in the Star Wars franchise, you'll get plenty of what you like along with the ones that try to make you think once in a while.

To be fair there's quite a distinction between the original and the new trilogy. In the OT there was no established universe, there was a generic space empire with a generic space emperor and his evil enforcer vs generic rebels.

Jump to the the new trilogy with decades of established lore behind it and it becomes understandable to expect a short explanation of how Snoke managed what he did.
 

Barn

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Oct 27, 2017
3,137
Los Angeles
"Our team of producers," hahahahahahahahaha.

Okay.

As a lifelong nerd, I gotta say fuckin' nerds are getting really insufferable these days. I don't think these people understand how being an audience member works.
 

Osahi

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Oct 27, 2017
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Hey no worries!

I am a self-described film snob (my friends say I "hate all movies") so I'm going to nitpick stuff like this. I watched TLJ at 2am during a SW marathon right before going to see Solo so maybe upon a rewatch I'll appreciate the dynamic a bit more, or at least be able to describe my critique better. This is the kind of talk best had while watching the movie together over a beer or something, though, you know?

Hah, I'm a 'film snob' too, and I write screenplays for a living so I like to analyse stuff. (I'm the oposite of you though, I kind of enjoy movies so much I most of the time can watch them on an 'entertaining' level) When I saw TLJ first I came out confused, as it was not at all what I had expected. I went back a few weeks later with me nephew, and the movie had grown on me. Discussing the criticisms online has made me form an even clearer opinion and analysis. The fact you can actually talk about TLJ and what it does in storytelling, and how it handles characters and themes; made me love this film even more. Yes it is flawed, but it's actually a blockbuster that sticks with you and has something to tell.
 

TheBryanJZX90

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Nov 29, 2017
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A fool and his gold are easily parted I guess.

It would've been nice to know where Snoke came from and how he managed to rally the imperial remnants, tho I guess it would be for another backstory movie or a comic tie in.



To be fair there's quite a distinction between the original and the new trilogy. In the OT there was no established universe, there was a generic space empire with a generic space emperor and his evil enforcer vs generic rebels.

Jump to the the new trilogy with decades of established lore behind it and it becomes understandable to expect a short explanation of how Snoke managed what he did.

why
 

Psittacus

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Oct 27, 2017
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The somewhat patchy history of the First Order is a problem that TLJ inherited from TFA. If it was actually mentioned in that movie where it made sense the problems people have with TLJ would cease to exist.

Snoke's backstory is not important though.
 

Plasma

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Oct 25, 2017
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Jump to the the new trilogy with decades of established lore behind it and it becomes understandable to expect a short explanation of how Snoke managed what he did.
I think it's just that he is a powerful force user very much in the mould of Palpatine that the remnant of the Imperial thought they could rally behind.
 

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I think it's easy to understand the why of it, we've had 6 movies Prequels - OT which in part showed the rise and dominance of Palpatine, then we've had the cartoons which spanned what 40 odd years? Again during that time we Saw Palpatines power and control grow across the Galaxy.

We've also had books and comics set before during and after that time which again show his power and control, not once as far as I can remember is Snoke mentioned as a threat or even his existence.

I'd love to know where he was during his time and what was he doing, where did he get these resources, how did he manage to avoid being hunted down by the Inquisitors Vader etc.
 

Osahi

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I think it's easy to understand the why of it, we've had 6 movies Prequels - OT which in part showed the rise and dominance of Palpatine, then we've had the cartoons which spanned what 40 odd years? Again during that time we Saw Palpatines power and control grow across the Galaxy.

We've also had books and comics set before during and after that time which again show his power and control, not once as far as I can remember is Snoke mentioned as a threat or even his existence.

I'd love to know where he was during his time and what was he doing, where did he get these resources, how did he manage to avoid being hunted down by the Inquisitors Vader etc.
I'm pretty sure you'll get this in some form or another down the line, being it a comic series, a novel or maybe the Resistance tv-show. But just as all that Palpatine-backstory wasn't nessecairy to the OT, Snoke's backstory isn't to the ST. The only reason why it was such an issue was because fans had been theorising about him for two years, and got it in their heads they would get an answer to a question TFA didn't set up.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I loved TLJ!

Such a beautiful movie, and the message was quite clear. Being youself is ok, you don't need to be some kind of uber reknown hero to do good in the world.

At least that's my take on it

Well, it's kinda undermined by the fact that the main heroine is in fact a "chosen one" powered up by the Force to counterbalance the main evil Jedi guy.

Man, it would be interesting if someday they actually make a character to lead a main Star Wars movie that is not powered up by the Force in any way, shape, or form.
 

thetrin

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Oct 26, 2017
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Every time I revisit my thoughts on TLJ, the less I like the movie, but Star Wars really need to let this shit go.

Do what I did. Give up on the series and move on to something else.
 

hnoon

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Jun 7, 2018
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It's June: I still believe TLJ is the 2nd best Star Wars movie just behind Empire.

It's basically the Empire of this generation, a misunderstood movie that in a couple years will be praised by everyone and the """fans""""
I thought TLJ was fun. I didn't grow up on Star Wars but to me it was on par with the original trilogy. It was definitely a call back to the originals way more than the prequels, which I would've guessed to be exactly what the die hard fans would've wanted.
 
Feb 13, 2018
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TLJ might be a better movie than it is a sequel. Every subplot in the film ties back into its core theme of complete failure and how to pick yourself back up afterwards. The way it plays with expectations and its Rashomon-esque multiple viewpoints (not just the flashbacks, but Rey's, Kylo's, and Snoke's force visions all coming true in ways that betray their expectations in the throne room.) are compelling. It definitely drops the ball on some things like the B plot and the second act's pacing, but overall I think it's an excellent film. I can understand why it didn't resonate with some people, but finding it worse than any of the prequels is utterly baffling.
 

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I'm pretty sure you'll get this in some form or another down the line, being it a comic series, a novel or maybe the Resistance tv-show. But just as all that Palpatine-backstory wasn't nessecairy to the OT, Snoke's backstory isn't to the ST. The only reason why it was such an issue was because fans had been theorising about him for two years, and got it in their heads they would get an answer to a question TFA didn't set up.

I completely agree that Palps backstory wasn't needed for the OT, the problem for me though is the Sequel Trilogy is playing with an established universe with an established ruleset. I want to know how Smoke came to power, how he managed to avoid the Emporerer and his enforces and what caused him to come out of the shadows and claim control of the FO. I didn't need that for the OT as it was a brand new universe and it was just the status quo.
 

Osahi

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I completely agree that Palps backstory wasn't needed for the OT, the problem for me though is the Sequel Trilogy is playing with an established universe with an established ruleset. I want to know how Smoke came to power, how he managed to avoid the Emporerer and his enforces and what caused him to come out of the shadows and claim control of the FO. I didn't need that for the OT as it was a brand new universe and it was just the status quo.

Okay, you want that, and you'll certainly get that in the future. But the story doesn't need that. I can't wrap my head around the idea that a movie needs more exposition and over-explained backstory than needed. It's like lore is more important than drama. We have all the info on Snoke and the FO we need. They rose in the years between RotJ and TFA, the Republic didn't take them serious but Leia did and started a Resistance, and in TFA they pull of their long gestating plans. Snoke is set-up as the man in the shadows pulling strings, a dark Force user who has been abiding his time and took a chance to fill in a void. This doesn't change anything to the rule set at all.

For the story that matters: that of Rey, Kylo and Finn, you don't need to know more. It would only hold up the story with exposition that has no dramatic function at all.

And besides, we still have IX coming up. It is very well possible we'll learn about Snoke a bit more there. And if not, again, you'll get your lore for sure in some extended universe media sooner rather than later.
 

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The greatest thing about The Last Jedi is that it doesn't come across as fan fiction. That's the key to it's success and giving fans control of this story would make it the most predictable film ever.

To fill the Wookieepedia page on Snoke.

To be honest, it's totally okay to want to know more about new developments. No one questioned The Emperor because he was there from the first trilogy and it was accepted that he is part of the world.

I guess it's like no one questions why the grass is green. You just accept it as part of the world but if you woke up tomorrow and it was blue you would want to know why you wouldn't just ignore it.
 
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N7_Angel

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ah ah ah TLJ was trash but that's very sad, let it go, it's not the first terrible movie ever, you'll get over it.
 

Osahi

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The greatest thing about The Last Jedi is that it doesn't come across as fan fiction. That's the key to it's success and giving fans control of this story would make it the most predictable film ever.



To be honest, it's totally okay to want to know more about new developments. No one questioned The Emperor because he was there from the first trilogy and it was accepted that he is part of the world.

I guess it's like no one questions why the grass is green. You just accept it as part of the world but if you woke up tomorrow and it was blue you would want to know why you wouldn't just ignore it.

That analogy doesn't completely work. It's like if grass would go extinct, and than suddenly from another continent there comes a plant replacing grass.

I do understand fans are invested in lore and want to dig into details and backstories, but for the movies an sich Snoke's backstory would just be more ballast. Let the backstory be explored in extended universe media. And if JJ finds a way to dig into Snoke's backstory that doesn't feel like exposition, but has a dramatic effect on the character's, than I'm all up for it in IX. But to just have a 10 minute explanation of something that in no way is vital to the story would just be waste of screentime and shooting days, especially if it is what fans want (Snoke being Darth Plagueis or be connected to some character from the expanded lore.
Darth Maul
) in Solo already proved how silly and unessecairy shit like that is.