Far Cry New Dawn announced; coming February 15th, 2019

Skab

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Oct 25, 2017
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Tradition of the covers aside, Zero chance the ladies are the villains. I bet they’re going the Wolfenstein route and having two female protags that you can co-op as.
Doesn't it literally say they're the villains in the press release?

Edit: Nevermind, saw your other post.
 
Oct 29, 2017
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The entire point of Far Cry 3 is that Jason does not in fact have magical powers and is being haplessly exploited as off his face on drugs cannon fodder by a group who are not in fact the oppressed native population.

All Far Cry games since 2 and excluding Primal have been ruses. They pretend to be one thing while being something else entirely. Far Cry 5 moreso because it pretends to be a game about liberating Montana from a cult, when it's really a twisted adaptation of the Book of Revelation. A book where Jesus opens the seven seals and the world gets annihilated by fire and such. The game knows a lot of its audience isn't hugely well read, so it taunts them with glaringly obvious foreshadowing as characters accuse the player of being ignorant. Savvier players recognise the symbolism. Less savvy ones get a rude shock. Far Cry 4 was the same. The game's true meaning was there all along. But Ubi knew a lot of players are conditioned wih a "dictator bad, rebel good" mindset that is dangerously naive in this context.

As far as writing goes, Far Cry games have always been sly. They're not "stupid". Unless we count Blood Dragon which was dumb on purpose.

I'm curious what narrative direction New Dawn will take.
I might be more lenient towards the story being a biblical allegory if the cult wasn't so excessively evil.

It's pretty tough to accept the narrative whiplash of "the cult was right all along" when it's been prefaced with "they burned a girl's parents in front of her, then fed her their roasted toes!"

If Dahmer had received a divine message and predicted 9/11, that wouldn't change the fact that he was a psychopath who deserved to die.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I accidentally dropped "following" but I still don't really know how you got that from what I had typed.
I thought you thought that the girls were fighting the cult in the trailer, my bad.

Still, the trailer still does the opposite. The cult was wrong. Seed's prophecy and utopia didn't happen.
 
Nov 16, 2017
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I mean, they're still following up "White Supremacists Who Aren't Really White Supremacists And Are Also Right" with two black girls as the main villains.
"Also Right" in what way? I was annoyed that FC5 decided to cop out and make the antagonists generic cultists, but I don't remember them being somehow vindicated in the storyline, or made to seem correct in any way.

Also gonna wait until more info comes out regarding the women on the cover. I'd be super surprised if they're outright baddies. Especially since they're positioned on the cover in an antagonistic fashion to the baddie from FC5. Enemy of my enemy all of that.
 

NSA

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Oct 27, 2017
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"Also Right" in what way? I was annoyed that FC5 decided to cop out and make the antagonists generic cultists, but I don't remember them being somehow vindicated in the storyline, or made to seem correct in any way.

Also gonna wait until more info comes out regarding the women on the cover. I'd be super surprised if they're outright baddies. Especially since they're positioned on the cover in an antagonistic fashion to the baddie from FC5. Enemy of my enemy all of that.
They didn't seem too good in the trailer.. but like every Far Cry villain I am sure there is more to them.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I mean, they're still following up "White Supremacists Who Aren't Really White Supremacists And Are Also Right" with two black girls as the main villains.
Far Cry 5's Eden's Gate is based on two cults (Branch Davidians and Jonestown) that among other things, were well known for being ethnically diverse. The way some people expected Eden's Gate to be racist is kinda mindboggling.
I might be more lenient towards the story being a biblical allegory if the cult wasn't so excessively evil.

It's pretty tough to accept the narrative whiplash of "the cult was right all along" when it's been prefaced with "they burned a girl's parents in front of her, then fed her their roasted toes!"

If Dahmer had received a divine message and predicted 9/11, that wouldn't change the fact that he was a psychopath who deserved to die.
What does the cult being evil have to do with anything, though? Joseph Seed comes from Rome, Georgia. He's from the City of Seven Hills, which means that in this little story he plays the role of the antichrist. He's a false messiah. He's your mirror image. He sees himself as the white horseman, but in fact you're the white horseman, not him. The Christ figure (Rook) opens the seven seals. Joseph is the one begging you to stop by the end of the game. You're already up to Seal 5 when you confront Joseph at the church. You then proceed to open seals Six and Seven, and that's the point of no return.

The paradox of Far Cry 5 is that Joseph Seed prophecies the end. But he doesn't want the world to burn, not really. He feels vindicated when the nukes drop because his prophecy is true. But he blames Rook for the world crashing and burning. "Countless people have been killed, and it is your fault. The world is on fire and it’s your fault. Was it worth it? Was it?"

As Faith notes, Joseph Seed is not the one in control. Rook is the one calling the shots. They always were. "You still don't understand. You don't know what it is you're doing do you? Joseph believes he's our savior. But you'll be the one who decides what happens. You were the start. You'll be the end. "

It's important to remember the iconic words from Revelation, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last." Multiple elements of Far Cry 5 point towards Rook, (a significant name chosen in Far Cry 3 to indicate that nothing was as it appeared on the surface) being a Christ figure. Either literal or allegorical, it probably doesn't really matter. They have 12 followers at the end of the game. They descend from the sky in the game's opening with "whitehorse". They conquer. They never speak, much like "The Lamb". They open the seals, which nobody except The Lamb can do. Some people see the end of Far Cry 5 as the player losing. But it's not that simple. If Rook is a Christ figure, then the nuking of the planet is all part of the plan. Ensuring this happens is their purpose. As the Marshall says, "We don't live our lives, we live theirs." The events of Far Cry 5 are preordained. Everyone is simply playing a role.

Joseph being right is beside the point to some degree. In the Biblical prophecy the game is very loosely built upon, Jesus Christ sets in motion a chain of events that decimates the globe. Fire and hail and earthquakes and the death of all sea life and so on.

I'm curious what direction Far Cry New Dawn will take. As we saw with Assassin's Creed, Ubisoft are not averse to retcons. Far Cry is a bit different because ever since Far Cry 3, the games have all been 2deep4ul and the writers have had mixed feelings about people completely missing the point.

"What I'm hoping is that through talking about this game and the Internet talking about this game, is that all this stuff will come to light, and the audience will say next time, 'We want more of this,'” he said. "The worst thing would be to waste the player's time." Jeffrey Yohalem, Far Cry 3 writer, Ubisoft “This all comes from my sense that players shouldn't be talked down to. For me, there's a kind of caustic relationship that's developed between players and developers. It's really a bad, abusive relationship, because developers say 'Players won't get it anyway, so we're just gonna do something that holds their hand,'" Yohalem explained. "It doesn't respect them, and then players say 'I hate this,' or 'I hate that,' or 'This game sucks,' and that hurts developers. So it's like a cycle. It also feels like critics aren't looking for meaning in the game, either. So it's like all sides have just stopped listening to each other.” The writer was hoping Far Cry 3 would bring this sort of open to interpretation writing to the masses. He said he aims to "create a conversation between people about what they expect from video games and how much the player can be involved in an analysis of the game... Once that happens, developers will have to deliver." “My goal was to create something that people could analyze. Analysis is fun because there are many interpretations. If there's just one interpretation then it's not worth analysing.”
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I thought you thought that the girls were fighting the cult in the trailer, my bad.

Still, the trailer still does the opposite. The cult was wrong. Seed's prophecy and utopia didn't happen.
Fair enough, but the end of 5 still presents them as ultimately right in their belief that the end is right around the corner and validates them right before you're about to finish the game, which is pretty irresponsible given how they were initially presented.

"Also Right" in what way? I was annoyed that FC5 decided to cop out and make the antagonists generic cultists, but I don't remember them being somehow vindicated in the storyline, or made to seem correct in any way.

Also gonna wait until more info comes out regarding the women on the cover. I'd be super surprised if they're outright baddies. Especially since they're positioned on the cover in an antagonistic fashion to the baddie from FC5. Enemy of my enemy all of that.
Fair enough, we don't know too much about the game yet, so I don't know how it will turn out, but I do think they're skating a line here.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Far Cry 5's Eden's Gate is based on two cults (Branch Davidians and Jonestown) that among other things, were well known for being ethnically diverse. The way some people expected Eden's Gate to be racist is kinda mindboggling.

What does the cult being evil have to do with anything, though? Joseph Seed comes from Rome, Georgia. He's from the City of Seven Hills, which means that in this little story he plays the role of the antichrist. He's a false messiah. He's your mirror image. He sees himself as the white horseman, but in fact you're the white horseman, not him. The Christ figure (Rook) opens the seven seals. Joseph is the one begging you to stop by the end of the game. You're already up to Seal 5 when you confront Joseph at the church. You then proceed to open seals Six and Seven, and that's the point of no return.

The paradox of Far Cry 5 is that Joseph Seed prophecies the end. But he doesn't want the world to burn, not really. He feels vindicated when the nukes drop because his prophecy is true. But he blames Rook for the world crashing and burning. "Countless people have been killed, and it is your fault. The world is on fire and it’s your fault. Was it worth it? Was it?"

As Faith notes, Joseph Seed is not the one in control. Rook is the one calling the shots. They always were. "You still don't understand. You don't know what it is you're doing do you? Joseph believes he's our savior. But you'll be the one who decides what happens. You were the start. You'll be the end. "

It's important to remember the iconic words from Revelation, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last." Multiple elements of Far Cry 5 point towards Rook, (a significant name chosen in Far Cry 3 to indicate that nothing was as it appeared on the surface) being a Christ figure. Either literal or allegorical, it probably doesn't really matter. They have 12 followers at the end of the game. They descend from the sky in the game's opening with "whitehorse". They conquer. They never speak, much like "The Lamb". They open the seals, which nobody except The Lamb can do. Some people see the end of Far Cry 5 as the player losing. But it's not that simple. If Rook is a Christ figure, then the nuking of the planet is all part of the plan. Ensuring this happens is their purpose. As the Marshall says, "We don't live our lives, we live theirs." The events of Far Cry 5 are preordained. Everyone is simply playing a role.

Joseph being right is beside the point to some degree. In the Biblical prophecy the game is very loosely built upon, Jesus Christ sets in motion a chain of events that decimates the globe. Fire and hail and earthquakes and the death of all sea life and so on.
Thanks for the deep dive of my favorite game of the year. I never played a game where I was conflicted in killing a mass murderer but that's exactly what they did with the character of Faith in the game.

Also the games soundtrack (choir versions) adds depths to the main characters as well. Truly remarkable game. Not only that but the lyrics hinted to end of the game in some of those songs.

Faiths song adds to her character
 
Oct 25, 2017
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This is the description on Amazon - $39.99:

  • Fight to survive in a post-apocalyptic world as you take up arms to fight alongside a friend in online co-op.
  • Lead the fight against the highwaymen and their ruthless leaders, the Twins.
  • Build up your home base and recruit specialists to upgrade it as you unlock all-new features.
  • Battle your enemies for resources in Hope County and around the country as you venture to new locations.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Far Cry 5's Eden's Gate is based on two cults (Branch Davidians and Jonestown) that among other things, were well known for being ethnically diverse. The way some people expected Eden's Gate to be racist is kinda mindboggling.
Is it really? The images they showed of the cult before hand looked all white, the setting is a state which is 90% white. It just seemed like that was the route they were choosing to go even if it courted controversy. And your post is the first time I have ever heard of who the cult was based off of. I doubt most gamers took the time to find that information out or cared.

This is the description on Amazon - $39.99:

  • Fight to survive in a post-apocalyptic world as you take up arms to fight alongside a friend in online co-op.
  • Lead the fight against the highwaymen and their ruthless leaders, the Twins.
  • Build up your home base and recruit specialists to upgrade it as you unlock all-new features.
  • Battle your enemies for resources in Hope County and around the country as you venture to new locations.
So I guess the twins are the primary antagonists.
 
Nov 1, 2017
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This literally looks like a worst version of Rage 2 to me, at least in the gameplay department. But then again Avalanche has had a rough time with their last few games so who knows how that would go from a technical standpoint....
 

Proc

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Oct 25, 2017
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Reduced price and direct sequel? I plan to play through 5 in the new year. I’ll grab this on discount after I get through more of my backlog. I think this has potential despite the trailer not doing much for me.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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This is the description on Amazon - $39.99:

  • Fight to survive in a post-apocalyptic world as you take up arms to fight alongside a friend in online co-op.
  • Lead the fight against the highwaymen and their ruthless leaders, the Twins.
  • Build up your home base and recruit specialists to upgrade it as you unlock all-new features.
  • Battle your enemies for resources in Hope County and around the country as you venture to new locations.
Not a bad price, don't think it'll be a day 1 purchase for me but I'll definitely play it eventually.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Is it really? The images they showed of the cult before hand looked all white, the setting is a state which is 90% white. It just seemed like that was the route they were choosing to go even if it courted controversy. And your post is the first time I have ever heard of who the cult was based off of. I doubt most gamers took the time to find that information out or cared.
It's not Ubisoft's fault if their audience is ignorant, though. There was absolutely nothing in Far Cry 5's marketing that in any way indicated Eden's Gate would be racist. People just imagined it -- projected onto it -- because the current political climate in America has them thinking a certain way. In their minds, "cult" = "racist". The idea of a fanatic religious cult being ethnically diverse didn't compute because they've made the association of gun toting rednecks with "don't tread on me" stickers and they expect the game to conform with that. Also, said religious cult's prophecies being accurate was a rude shock because they're conditioned to automatically regard the ravings of crackpots as being 100% invalid. Far Cry 5 is a game that bewildered a lot of people because it flew in the face of what they expected, and what they wanted, to some degree. In this hotbed political climate, a lot of people wanted a game where they could strike back at the forces of racism and intolerance in a virtual format. Instead they got a game where the demented cultists die desperately trying to protect the people they kidnap, screaming, "They'll die if they leave the bunker."

Far Cry 5 is one of those games that a lot of people seemingly willfully misunderstood, as well. For example, there is zero reason to think that Joseph Seed had nukes or set off nukes himself. There is not a shred of evidence in the game's story that this happened. Zilch. Nada. In fact there is a mountain of evidence directly against it. But a lot of people clung to that theory because it lined up with their preconceptions. They tried to fit Far Cry into their own mindset instead of engaging with the game and trying to make sense of it based on its literary and historical references. Like Far Cry 3 and Far Cry 4, 5 does have a few valid interpretations. I have my personal favorite interpretation but there are other valid ones. Ones based on actual evidence in the game. With Far Cry 5, a lot of people just resorted to, "Welp, I don't like the way this story is going so I'll just stick my fingers in my ears and go with the option that lets me keep thinking I'm not responsible for any of this."

I'm sure Far Cry New Dawn will take the story down some twists and turns. And like every Far Cry before it, I'm sure a lot of people will intentionally miss the point. Miss the nuances. Miss the foreshadowing. Miss the greater literary subtext. This seems to happen with every Far Cry game.
 
Oct 30, 2017
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Far Cry 5's Eden's Gate is based on two cults (Branch Davidians and Jonestown) that among other things, were well known for being ethnically diverse. The way some people expected Eden's Gate to be racist is kinda mindboggling.

What does the cult being evil have to do with anything, though? Joseph Seed comes from Rome, Georgia. He's from the City of Seven Hills, which means that in this little story he plays the role of the antichrist. He's a false messiah. He's your mirror image. He sees himself as the white horseman, but in fact you're the white horseman, not him. The Christ figure (Rook) opens the seven seals. Joseph is the one begging you to stop by the end of the game. You're already up to Seal 5 when you confront Joseph at the church. You then proceed to open seals Six and Seven, and that's the point of no return.

The paradox of Far Cry 5 is that Joseph Seed prophecies the end. But he doesn't want the world to burn, not really. He feels vindicated when the nukes drop because his prophecy is true. But he blames Rook for the world crashing and burning. "Countless people have been killed, and it is your fault. The world is on fire and it’s your fault. Was it worth it? Was it?"

As Faith notes, Joseph Seed is not the one in control. Rook is the one calling the shots. They always were. "You still don't understand. You don't know what it is you're doing do you? Joseph believes he's our savior. But you'll be the one who decides what happens. You were the start. You'll be the end. "

It's important to remember the iconic words from Revelation, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last." Multiple elements of Far Cry 5 point towards Rook, (a significant name chosen in Far Cry 3 to indicate that nothing was as it appeared on the surface) being a Christ figure. Either literal or allegorical, it probably doesn't really matter. They have 12 followers at the end of the game. They descend from the sky in the game's opening with "whitehorse". They conquer. They never speak, much like "The Lamb". They open the seals, which nobody except The Lamb can do. Some people see the end of Far Cry 5 as the player losing. But it's not that simple. If Rook is a Christ figure, then the nuking of the planet is all part of the plan. Ensuring this happens is their purpose. As the Marshall says, "We don't live our lives, we live theirs." The events of Far Cry 5 are preordained. Everyone is simply playing a role.

Joseph being right is beside the point to some degree. In the Biblical prophecy the game is very loosely built upon, Jesus Christ sets in motion a chain of events that decimates the globe. Fire and hail and earthquakes and the death of all sea life and so on.

I'm curious what direction Far Cry New Dawn will take. As we saw with Assassin's Creed, Ubisoft are not averse to retcons. Far Cry is a bit different because ever since Far Cry 3, the games have all been 2deep4ul and the writers have had mixed feelings about people completely missing the point.
What the hell? I had no clue Far Cry 5's plot was so interesting. I think I might pick I up during the next sale.
 
Oct 22, 2018
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See, this is how games should announced. Two months from announcement to release is fucking awesome.

Anyways, looks like a cool spin on Farcry, color me interested
 
Oct 25, 2017
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So is this a co op only game or can you play solo? I'm assuming your not playing as the twins.
What the hell? I had no clue Far Cry 5's plot was so interesting. I think I might pick I up during the next sale.
Its really not as interesting as he's making it out to be. Frankly, everything he's written is basically fan fiction. The only thing that he's right on is that they pulled a gotcha on the ending. As the player, you expect to kill the bad (or capture) the bad guy and the story ends but they pull the rug from under you and let Seed actually be right because..well reasons and its more interesting to have that ending then just a normal ending where you kill him or take him to jail.
 
Oct 30, 2017
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So is this a co op only game or can you play solo? I'm assuming your not playing as the twins.


Its really not as interesting as he's making it out to be. Frankly, everything he's written is basically fan fiction. The only thing that he's right on is that they pulled a gotcha on the ending. As the player, you expect to kill the bad (or capture) the bad guy and the story ends but they pull the rug from under you and let Seed actually be right because..well reasons and its more interesting to have that ending then just a normal ending where you kill him or take him to jail.
That’s a shame. I might still check it out if that apocalypse interpretation holds any water at all, even just as subtext. Sounds cool.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Looks good. I did not like how the game ended intially, and was hoping there would be some sort of dlc that extended the story further. I like that it picks up 17 years later, and I'm curious to see how different the world is in the game. It looks like Father is talking to Rook at the end of the trailer. I wonder if Rook survived as well?