When you use words like "they" do this or "they" do that you create separation between all of "us" as humans. Sort of seems like those that don't see it how you do are the other. Marginalized. It's not necessary.
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Far Cry New Dawn's Animal (Dog) Cruelty is sadistic and waaaay over the line
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Agreed completely.
Every single one of us holds inconsistent viewpoints. That doesn't mean these conversations aren't worth having.
uhhhh, yep, totally agree with you *hides sniper rifle*
but honestly, this is such a non-issue. it's a video game. virtual animal harm is not new.
When I said Pokemon, they are the replacement of the context of violence, because the fictional violence on fictional characters is the reason it is brought up.
Well let's play a game of context then.
There is a fictional doctor with a fictional laboratory in a fictional game. This fictional doctor has asked you, for the sake of fiction to choose a victim for his fictional experiments. The fictional victims are: Fictional dog, fictional small young girl, fictional cat, fictional man with fictional family.
Now you must choose one to be represented in this fictional display of violence, knowing that this is fictional am I justified in judging you based on your selected fictional choice?
Now, back to reality. Dogs are slaughtered in China and Korea for meat, children are starving to death in Yemen and a 6 year old was decapitated by a taxi driver a few days ago, cats are abandoned and left to die in the streets or drowned because they are unwanted and ISIS made dozens of young men dig their own grave only to be shot execution style and buried. These are real things that happened, these are real scenarios.
Now knowing that a fictional character will fictionally die because of your fictional choice, how has this stopped the previous real scenarios, and why have you not brought them up on the basis that they are real and happening? Or is fiction the only reality?
Weird article. "They eat dogs!" ...it's a post-nuke scenario where people have to do what they need to in order to survive. I'm not so sure I would never eat a dog if it was the only available protein around. "They weaponized the dogs!" ...police and military dogs are a thing. It's removed from straight-up strapping bombs to a dog, but we do have a history of sending them into dangerous situations, usually because it's too dangerous for people. Sure it's probably cranked up to almost comical degrees in its representation, but that's Far Cry.
That said I can understand being troubled by violence against animals, especially when it's really detailed. I've watched streamers play Far Cry but probably won't buy and play them myself since the bloody skinning animations, weird quests (Bull festival in 5) and such bothers me.
That said I can understand being troubled by violence against animals, especially when it's really detailed. I've watched streamers play Far Cry but probably won't buy and play them myself since the bloody skinning animations, weird quests (Bull festival in 5) and such bothers me.
its also a weird article for using "doggos" and "best boys" to describe attack dogs that are trying to kill you.
Wait what? What should use instead of "they" when talking about other people?
Umm, the moral consensus that holds society together depends on its people's recognition of universal human rights, including the basic understanding that every single human being has value, on account of being an intelligent self-aware being. Plus, basic empathy should tell you that what feels bad to you feels bad to other humans, so you should try to alleviate unnecessary suffering.
Get your head on straight, Jesus. Even to actual sociopaths who have no fond feelings for any living creature, and absolutely zero concern for other people's capacity for suffering, it makes sense to recognize the social contract--purely out of self interest. You look out for others so that they'll look out for you.
I hope this is just an off-color intellectual exercise, because holy shit. You don't deserve all the benefits of civilization if you're really that callous.
On the contrary, it's important to get back to first principles and articulate our basic values every so often. What use is a moral framework that you can't defend from the lurching barbarism of people who don't respect what it is to be human?
I really hope the dogs > humans posters are doing it for the lulz.
This whole "it's not real they don't have agency" thing is a terrible fucking argument. If a game allowed you to do terrible things like rape freely we would all be rightly mortified. Those victims aren't real but it doesn't matter because the very act of it is terrible and it's a normal reaction to not be comfortable with that kind of thing in a video game. To be honest it's a pretty normal reaction if someone is not comfortable with killing an innocent in a video game either. I actively avoid it because it makes me feel like shit. Because it's a bad thing. I don't like to shoot a defenseless dog in a video game either. Generally I don't like to be a bad person in games media. The characters being line of code doesn't change that for me. I think thats pretty normal.
No one is saying you have to like it or you shouldn't be sensitive about it. What OP wants is for Ubisoft to "take this shit out" which doesn't make sense. Just ignore the game instead of being selfish and acting like this isn't acceptable to be in a game. Let others enjoy it and move on.
The thread title and your reaction had me expecting something far worse than what that article suggests is in the game. It's still some nasty shit, of course, but I'm not seeing anything here that steps over a line not already crossed by a GTA or even a Call of Duty (pretty sure one of them had bomb strapped dogs at some point).
My biggest takeaway is a general feeling of wishing that more games were willing to tone down violence as the primary method of interaction, and not so much that the treatment of animals seemed especially mean-spirited here.
My biggest takeaway is a general feeling of wishing that more games were willing to tone down violence as the primary method of interaction, and not so much that the treatment of animals seemed especially mean-spirited here.
My point is that "agency" only matters in the real world because of the fact that humans have far more control of their immediate surroundings than, say, a dog. If we were discussing real world animal abuse, yes, you'd have a point. An animal can't negotiate, persuade or think critically on the same, nuanced level as a human. That arguably makes them more vulnerable to subjugation or abuse.
Unless the game is outright promoting real world animal abuse, I see no issue here. I mean, it let's you murder people in a number of ways. We both agree that video games don't encourage real world violence. So what's the big deal?
But we're talking about a video game, where everything is either determined by the player or the developer's coding. Nothing is truly gained or lost. Nothing is truly at stake. So to apply the same level of outrage and grief to that as you would a real situation is just weird and misplaced. Yeah, it's crazy.
"The dogs are innocents, the people attack you so it's fine to kill them" line is still blurry since in Far Cry 5
So a lot of the mobs aren't there for funsies, dunno about New Dawn.
Saw a few posts bringing up that angle earlier on in the thread, didn't want to quote them since after 12 pages they probably got quoted enough lol.
Joseph Seed and his family are shown to force people to join their ranks via brainwashing, drugs, and torture.
Saw a few posts bringing up that angle earlier on in the thread, didn't want to quote them since after 12 pages they probably got quoted enough lol.
This is the same forum which had posters defending the mountain lion when it attacked a jogger, and got killed in self defense.
In hindsight, it's a shame that Far Cry New Dawn doesn't feature Far Cry Primal's animal taming system. They've kept elements such as being able to pet your animal companion at any time, and Timber is an Extremely Good Boy, but in Primal you could slowly approach an animal and give it meat, and it would become your companion. Sometimes you've have to engage the animal in combat before it would accept you. Primal had a rather... spiritual approach to hunting and animals in general.
Right, I'm not a fan of how that term has been used so often in this thread. That implies we can't ever be critical of the content and issues within a game because 'it's just a game', as if games can never ever step over the line in terms of their content because none of it is real anyway.
The entire point of games is we immerse ourselves in these worlds, we like them to trick us into being as believable as possible. Cruelty is cruelty and I don't think its a particular enjoyable thing to ask of a player.
With the risk of derailing the thread, after reading the article in the OP and following a link in it, my biggest take away from this thread is the fact that there is a real person turning dead animals into drones.
http://bartjansen.tv/copter-company
http://bartjansen.tv/copter-company
wait... what??
I was going to ask for the thread link, but actually I don't think I want to read it
Those "evil" video game goons are as much victims as those video game dogs. They have no agency either; it's not their fault they were programmed that way.
It's us, the players, who are the real monsters; every time we boot up the game we drag them - man and dog alike - from the sweet, painless oblivion of nothingness into a bleak existence where they are doomed to live and die and love again as nothing but playthings for our vile fantasies.
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Not in the slightest. But absurd enough that I couldn't leave it unmentioned.
Same reason people watch kids starve on TV do jack shit about it. You only care about what's close to you.
This post is, uhm, a lot
This is a reset era thread for the fucking books
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I love dogs but its a strange moral highground to take that killing everything else in games is ok but not this.